Are you a professional programmer?
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Atlantys wrote: evil redwings And what is so evil about the 'Wings? The Lions, Tigers, and Pistons all suck so we should get to have at least one good team :-D James - Red Wings fan "When you get frunk whats really fuinny is that you dont really realize you are cdtrunk till you are too drunk and by thewn you are too drunk to give a damn about being drubnk :-0" A drunk Nish over Sonork
I'm a Colorado fan, so Detriot (and Dallas sort of) is my enemy, by definition. Hasek's Cup *was* ours (Roy's stupid save.. grrr) Denver has the Rockies and the Nuggets (the Broncos can be good), so give us a break too. :-D The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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Atlantys wrote: and since the timezones don't work, I won't get to see any of it. Not necessarily. We play hockey at around 6-9pm. That would be 10am-1pm for you? Lunch hockey? :-D Atlantys wrote: And no, you don't want Kris Draper (evil redwings... evil He may be evil, but he's a good player. >:) -- I am of The Clan of Xymox. I wear a pink kilt!
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Lunch hockey? Dunno if my boss is going to be too happy about me taking 3 hours lunch breaks. ;P Besides, no Hockey Night in Canada (without Cherry?!?! :omg: ) is too horrible to think about. The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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Really? How much do they earn? What are normal job hours? Benefits? :rolleyes: -- I am of The Clan of Xymox. I wear a pink kilt!
Look at my pic! Does it look like I could work for such an industry?! :P (Not that I'd want to...ew.) And besides, my hands are narled and scarred from arthritis, breaking things Okinawan Gojo Ryu-style, and lots of rock and tree climbing in my younger years...now I just sit in a cubicle becoming more and more like Wally every day.
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
Open Source is a tough subject. Yes, the world would be a better place with all knowledge was free. Man would advance along technological evolution at a faster pace. The only problem with this is you are counting on “all” advancements being free. If even just one company didn’t share their just one of their advancements it would ruin the whole system. If you allow a company to use all of your code to improve their product while they do not provide all of their code in return that company had an advantage over you. They go public and now no one is paying for support for your software because they just bought a better piece of software that comes with “free” support and works better and does everything your software did. You are now out of business after providing your competition with everything they needed to do it.
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Really? How much do they earn? What are normal job hours? Benefits? :rolleyes: -- I am of The Clan of Xymox. I wear a pink kilt!
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
No I am not a professional programmer. Otoh, as someone who is suffering through the trails and tribulation of learning on their own I think I can claim to work at it as hard as any full timer. :-O Best, Jerry
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little past them into the impossible.--Arthur C. Clark
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
My vote is a 5. I can not imagine just doing this stuff for FUN. :confused:
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
Have to say a one, rather unfortunately. Love to do it but haven't found a way to get paid for it alone yet. One thing I lack is a bright, framed piece of paper on the wall saying I can do it. Amazing how many jobs won't higher me because I'm not "certified." Even though in my current job ( networking ) a good quarter of my time is taken up writing data filters for all the text reports we get. But then again, I just barely stopped making command prompt apps... Always Fear the Man with Nothing to Lose Jeryth
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Have to say a one, rather unfortunately. Love to do it but haven't found a way to get paid for it alone yet. One thing I lack is a bright, framed piece of paper on the wall saying I can do it. Amazing how many jobs won't higher me because I'm not "certified." Even though in my current job ( networking ) a good quarter of my time is taken up writing data filters for all the text reports we get. But then again, I just barely stopped making command prompt apps... Always Fear the Man with Nothing to Lose Jeryth
Jeryth wrote: my current job ( networking ) Ha! That's exactly what my previous job was, I ended up writing software for my network clients and eventually we started selling it over the internet and it started doing so well that I quit networking many years ago and do this full time now.
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Jeryth wrote: my current job ( networking ) Ha! That's exactly what my previous job was, I ended up writing software for my network clients and eventually we started selling it over the internet and it started doing so well that I quit networking many years ago and do this full time now.
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I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!Don't think it will quite work for me that way. My main interest right now is making games, so unless my "clients" want to test their network the best way how ( don't know any program as network intensive as a good LAN party ) I'll have to find alternate routes. Always Fear the Man with Nothing to Lose DragonFire Software Jeryth
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Don't think it will quite work for me that way. My main interest right now is making games, so unless my "clients" want to test their network the best way how ( don't know any program as network intensive as a good LAN party ) I'll have to find alternate routes. Always Fear the Man with Nothing to Lose DragonFire Software Jeryth
Jeryth wrote: Don't think it will quite work for me that way. My main interest right now is making games, so unless my "clients" want to test their network the best way how ( don't know any program as network intensive as a good LAN party ) I'll have to find alternate routes. My interest was games as well (One of my first programs was a space invaders clone written in assembly language on a Radio Shack trs80 color computer, it was unique in that you could control your shooting and moving with voice commands) but I quickly realized my grade 10 math (the year I graduated high school that's all that was required) wasn't going to cut it for game programming and I don't have any interest in improving my math (I'm probably the worlds only sucessful programmer with almost zero math skills) so I channelled my interest into business software where the math is much more forgiving and I've always been a capitalist at heart so it's a good fit.:-D
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
I am doing both professional and hobbiest work, should I vote 3? :) VictorV
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
I'm a programmer, and I make money programming, but nobody has ever described me as professional. I rather consider myself as the man that makes something work just enough to pass the customer's standards. Why do more than necessary when I'm getting paid peanuts? Brad Jennings Sonork: 100.36360 AIM: hongg99
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Jeryth wrote: Don't think it will quite work for me that way. My main interest right now is making games, so unless my "clients" want to test their network the best way how ( don't know any program as network intensive as a good LAN party ) I'll have to find alternate routes. My interest was games as well (One of my first programs was a space invaders clone written in assembly language on a Radio Shack trs80 color computer, it was unique in that you could control your shooting and moving with voice commands) but I quickly realized my grade 10 math (the year I graduated high school that's all that was required) wasn't going to cut it for game programming and I don't have any interest in improving my math (I'm probably the worlds only sucessful programmer with almost zero math skills) so I channelled my interest into business software where the math is much more forgiving and I've always been a capitalist at heart so it's a good fit.:-D
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I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!John Cardinal wrote: (I'm probably the worlds only sucessful programmer with almost zero math skills) Ahh, again not so for me. I've found that I've always been quite good at math, but never liked doing it, interesting that. I can grasp onto the abstract concepts well, but I always had the usual thought, "When am I ever going to use THIS?" Took me until Calc I to realize you can use fairly simple equations to define rather complex surfaces. Right now I'm finishing MATH 2250 at the college, Ordinary Diferential Equations. Then a few months ago I got a book on DirectX rendering engines. Lo and behold it's talking about transform matrices, eiganvectors, and rotational formulas that you don't even know about until Calc III or later. What do you know, I guess I WILL be using some of my math knowledge now. The question "Do computers think?" is the same as "Can submrines swim?" DragonFire Software Jeryth
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I'm a programmer, and I make money programming, but nobody has ever described me as professional. I rather consider myself as the man that makes something work just enough to pass the customer's standards. Why do more than necessary when I'm getting paid peanuts? Brad Jennings Sonork: 100.36360 AIM: hongg99
Brad Jennings wrote: I rather consider myself as the man that makes something work just enough to pass the customer's standards. Ahh, the classic "ship now, patch later" idea. You really ought to contact Microsoft, they can't seem to get enough people like that... :-D The question "Do computers think?" is the same as "Can submrines swim?" DragonFire Software Jeryth