Are you a professional programmer?
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Marc Clifton wrote: You get a 3 from me. :doh: This is like trying to herd cats!;) What part of "vote 5 if you make a living programming or vote 1 if you don't" was unclear?;P So much for the stats, I guess about the only thing we can tell is that more people than not make their living programming.
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I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!John Cardinal wrote: What part of "vote 5 if you make a living programming or vote 1 if you don't" was unclear he he. I guess since my answer was "both", I went for the middle of the road, which is pretty unusual in itself. Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
I do it for money, but also for love. :love:
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
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So what part of four boils down to the two choices that you either (5) make a living programming or (1) you don't? :-D If you don't make a living programming that would be a 1, if you do then that would be a 5. A 4 would be a reply to some other poll involving fuzzy logic or something.;) (So much for polls, I'm going back to work!):sigh:
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Chris Meech wrote: and others say the owners are going to lock them out. Can they lock out free agents? :~ -- The coolest game in the world: NHL Hockey[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Can they lock out free agents? I don't think so..... but many of the players who have re-signed recently have contracts that end after this season, for the sole reason that they can go play somewhere else. You just know when Forsberg, Naslund, and Sundin return to Sweden, they'll be some DAMN good hockey going on (and since the timezones don't work, I won't get to see any of it. :((:((:(() And no, you don't want Kris Draper (evil redwings... evil :mad:). The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Can they lock out free agents? I don't think so..... but many of the players who have re-signed recently have contracts that end after this season, for the sole reason that they can go play somewhere else. You just know when Forsberg, Naslund, and Sundin return to Sweden, they'll be some DAMN good hockey going on (and since the timezones don't work, I won't get to see any of it. :((:((:(() And no, you don't want Kris Draper (evil redwings... evil :mad:). The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
Atlantys wrote: and since the timezones don't work, I won't get to see any of it. Not necessarily. We play hockey at around 6-9pm. That would be 10am-1pm for you? Lunch hockey? :-D Atlantys wrote: And no, you don't want Kris Draper (evil redwings... evil He may be evil, but he's a good player. >:) -- I am of The Clan of Xymox. I wear a pink kilt!
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Can they lock out free agents? I don't think so..... but many of the players who have re-signed recently have contracts that end after this season, for the sole reason that they can go play somewhere else. You just know when Forsberg, Naslund, and Sundin return to Sweden, they'll be some DAMN good hockey going on (and since the timezones don't work, I won't get to see any of it. :((:((:(() And no, you don't want Kris Draper (evil redwings... evil :mad:). The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
Atlantys wrote: evil redwings And what is so evil about the 'Wings? The Lions, Tigers, and Pistons all suck so we should get to have at least one good team :-D James - Red Wings fan "When you get frunk whats really fuinny is that you dont really realize you are cdtrunk till you are too drunk and by thewn you are too drunk to give a damn about being drubnk :-0" A drunk Nish over Sonork
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
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Nope, very amateur. I've never received any money for taking my gloves off. Unfortunately. :( -- The coolest game in the world: NHL Hockey[^]
There's a whole industry for that: pr0n (for people with hand fetishes). :eek:
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There's a whole industry for that: pr0n (for people with hand fetishes). :eek:
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Really? How much do they earn? What are normal job hours? Benefits? :rolleyes: -- I am of The Clan of Xymox. I wear a pink kilt!
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Atlantys wrote: evil redwings And what is so evil about the 'Wings? The Lions, Tigers, and Pistons all suck so we should get to have at least one good team :-D James - Red Wings fan "When you get frunk whats really fuinny is that you dont really realize you are cdtrunk till you are too drunk and by thewn you are too drunk to give a damn about being drubnk :-0" A drunk Nish over Sonork
I'm a Colorado fan, so Detriot (and Dallas sort of) is my enemy, by definition. Hasek's Cup *was* ours (Roy's stupid save.. grrr) Denver has the Rockies and the Nuggets (the Broncos can be good), so give us a break too. :-D The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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Atlantys wrote: and since the timezones don't work, I won't get to see any of it. Not necessarily. We play hockey at around 6-9pm. That would be 10am-1pm for you? Lunch hockey? :-D Atlantys wrote: And no, you don't want Kris Draper (evil redwings... evil He may be evil, but he's a good player. >:) -- I am of The Clan of Xymox. I wear a pink kilt!
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Lunch hockey? Dunno if my boss is going to be too happy about me taking 3 hours lunch breaks. ;P Besides, no Hockey Night in Canada (without Cherry?!?! :omg: ) is too horrible to think about. The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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Really? How much do they earn? What are normal job hours? Benefits? :rolleyes: -- I am of The Clan of Xymox. I wear a pink kilt!
Look at my pic! Does it look like I could work for such an industry?! :P (Not that I'd want to...ew.) And besides, my hands are narled and scarred from arthritis, breaking things Okinawan Gojo Ryu-style, and lots of rock and tree climbing in my younger years...now I just sit in a cubicle becoming more and more like Wally every day.
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
Open Source is a tough subject. Yes, the world would be a better place with all knowledge was free. Man would advance along technological evolution at a faster pace. The only problem with this is you are counting on “all” advancements being free. If even just one company didn’t share their just one of their advancements it would ruin the whole system. If you allow a company to use all of your code to improve their product while they do not provide all of their code in return that company had an advantage over you. They go public and now no one is paying for support for your software because they just bought a better piece of software that comes with “free” support and works better and does everything your software did. You are now out of business after providing your competition with everything they needed to do it.
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Really? How much do they earn? What are normal job hours? Benefits? :rolleyes: -- I am of The Clan of Xymox. I wear a pink kilt!
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
No I am not a professional programmer. Otoh, as someone who is suffering through the trails and tribulation of learning on their own I think I can claim to work at it as hard as any full timer. :-O Best, Jerry
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little past them into the impossible.--Arthur C. Clark
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
My vote is a 5. I can not imagine just doing this stuff for FUN. :confused:
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
Have to say a one, rather unfortunately. Love to do it but haven't found a way to get paid for it alone yet. One thing I lack is a bright, framed piece of paper on the wall saying I can do it. Amazing how many jobs won't higher me because I'm not "certified." Even though in my current job ( networking ) a good quarter of my time is taken up writing data filters for all the text reports we get. But then again, I just barely stopped making command prompt apps... Always Fear the Man with Nothing to Lose Jeryth
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Have to say a one, rather unfortunately. Love to do it but haven't found a way to get paid for it alone yet. One thing I lack is a bright, framed piece of paper on the wall saying I can do it. Amazing how many jobs won't higher me because I'm not "certified." Even though in my current job ( networking ) a good quarter of my time is taken up writing data filters for all the text reports we get. But then again, I just barely stopped making command prompt apps... Always Fear the Man with Nothing to Lose Jeryth
Jeryth wrote: my current job ( networking ) Ha! That's exactly what my previous job was, I ended up writing software for my network clients and eventually we started selling it over the internet and it started doing so well that I quit networking many years ago and do this full time now.
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Jeryth wrote: my current job ( networking ) Ha! That's exactly what my previous job was, I ended up writing software for my network clients and eventually we started selling it over the internet and it started doing so well that I quit networking many years ago and do this full time now.
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I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!Don't think it will quite work for me that way. My main interest right now is making games, so unless my "clients" want to test their network the best way how ( don't know any program as network intensive as a good LAN party ) I'll have to find alternate routes. Always Fear the Man with Nothing to Lose DragonFire Software Jeryth
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Don't think it will quite work for me that way. My main interest right now is making games, so unless my "clients" want to test their network the best way how ( don't know any program as network intensive as a good LAN party ) I'll have to find alternate routes. Always Fear the Man with Nothing to Lose DragonFire Software Jeryth
Jeryth wrote: Don't think it will quite work for me that way. My main interest right now is making games, so unless my "clients" want to test their network the best way how ( don't know any program as network intensive as a good LAN party ) I'll have to find alternate routes. My interest was games as well (One of my first programs was a space invaders clone written in assembly language on a Radio Shack trs80 color computer, it was unique in that you could control your shooting and moving with voice commands) but I quickly realized my grade 10 math (the year I graduated high school that's all that was required) wasn't going to cut it for game programming and I don't have any interest in improving my math (I'm probably the worlds only sucessful programmer with almost zero math skills) so I channelled my interest into business software where the math is much more forgiving and I've always been a capitalist at heart so it's a good fit.:-D
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I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!