Europe's view of world threats
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Jews and Christians are not the only two ethnic groups that's been fighting in Europe the last thousand years. Just so I'm sure you really understand: 1. Christianity is not an ethenticity; 2. Jews and Christians were not fighting, Europe was conducting progroms; 3. Protestants versus Catholics, if I am not mistaken, is more on the order of indigenous people fighting versus invaders although I believe they've all forgotten that part. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The 3rd Reich-thing could've happened anywhere. Bullshit. Plain and simple, bullshit. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." by: JAMES TRAUB New York Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
Mike Gaskey wrote: Christianity is not an ethenticity Many national communities define themselves through Christianity, so being christian is for some a distinction of ethnicity. Mike Gaskey wrote: Jews and Christians were not fighting, Europe was conducting progroms; Opposite examples can be found in History. They are of course much fewer but exist nonetheless. Mike Gaskey wrote: if I am not mistaken, is more on the order of indigenous people fighting versus invaders You're mistaken. Mike Gaskey wrote: Bullshit. Plain and simple, bullshit. Why not? After all, The US also committed a genocide exterminating the native population, enslaved millions of men, women and children for decades, and continue to segregate amongst the different components of its population. Is that much better?
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peterchen wrote: ) I guess the main take is that Israels agressive behavior is a major roadblock to bringing some stability into the middle east. yeah, the Israelis should allow the savages to just murder their women and children with impunity. Isn't it funny how the Israelis are ready to trade 400 shithead criminal-terrorists for just 1 Israeli citizen? I guess even Hezbollah knows how much their "people" are worth..........
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: yeah, the Israelis should allow the savages to just murder their women and children with impunity. Exactly the kind of blame-putting I was talking about. Thank you, Terry, for proving a point.
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peterchen wrote: And it must not be forgotten that there is some ... animosity towards jews deeply rooted in European history and culture that dates back long before 3rd Reich, and Europeans, being strongly culture-aware, don't get rid of this within one generation. Surely that would have crossed the Atlantic on the Mayflower too? What happened in Germany was a result of economics and a vulnerable polical system. It would have been unthinkable in Britain or France, I can't comment on Scandinavia. Ryan
Ryan_Roberts wrote: Surely that would have crossed the Atlantic on the Mayflower too? I don't think so. Many people that moved over the ocean were driven by "leaving the past behind" and "build something new". Not so for those that stayed. Ryan_Roberts wrote: It would have been unthinkable in Britain or France This is what I'd call dangerous optimism.
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peterchen wrote: And it must not be forgotten that there is some ... animosity towards jews deeply rooted in European history and culture that dates back long before 3rd Reich, and Europeans, being strongly culture-aware, don't get rid of this within one generation. Surely that would have crossed the Atlantic on the Mayflower too? What happened in Germany was a result of economics and a vulnerable polical system. It would have been unthinkable in Britain or France, I can't comment on Scandinavia. Ryan
Ryan_Roberts wrote: It would have been unthinkable in Britain... Don't believe it for a second. Ever heard of Mosely? The very thought of it makes my skin crawl. :(( Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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Ryan_Roberts wrote: Surely that would have crossed the Atlantic on the Mayflower too? I don't think so. Many people that moved over the ocean were driven by "leaving the past behind" and "build something new". Not so for those that stayed. Ryan_Roberts wrote: It would have been unthinkable in Britain or France This is what I'd call dangerous optimism.
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mlog || Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: I don't think so. Many people that moved over the ocean were driven by "leaving the past behind" and "build something new". Not so for those that stayed. Google can't provide me with a counter-example. So I guess you must be right :P. This http://orwell.ru/library/articles/antisemitism/e/e_antib.htm[^] makes good reading. peterchen wrote: This is what I'd call dangerous optimism. I would like to think that facism couldn't get a foothold in a democratic society thats not being ravaged by poverty and running street battles between extremist poilitcal grounps, European or not. 'Healthy scepticism' is closer to the mark. The rise of the new right on the continent is a little worrying. The facists in britain have very little, highly localised support in sink council estates. They use the percieved unequal distribution of state benifits to make the white resisdents jealous of their pakistani and banglideshi neighbors. Make of that what you will.
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It was part of the stereotype we are highlighting, Mike. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: It was part of the stereotype we are highlighting, Mike. Aaaahhhh! Which stereotype? The Southern Americans are all inbred, Spam sucking, trailer trash alien abductees stereotype? or The "Gee, I saw it on American TV & Michael Moore movies so it must be true!!" arrogant condescending non-American stereotype? ;) All I've ever wanted was an honest week's pay for an honest day's work.
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EU embarrassed as poll labels Israel world's biggest threat Bit odd that though. How is Israel a threat to the world? Any Europeans care to comment? p.s. For those of you who are about to once again inform us that you don't give a rats arse about Europe, sod off. We already know. Give it up already. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Perhaps because Israel contributes to instability in the region ? The tigress is here :-D
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Just to set the record straight: It is funny that all of your points indicate that the only reason the south is so nifty is because people from outside the south are moving there.
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: It is funny that all of your points indicate that the only reason the south is so nifty is because people from outside the south are moving there. I wasn't giving reasons for living there, just pointing out that if you consider the south or the southwest ignorant you're making a mistake - but the real reason for the reply is to shed additional light. To start, I'll assume you're not from the south, nor have you lived there. I relocated to Dallas Texas from Pittsburgh PA in '61. My father was transferred and the family relocated. I was 16 at the time and found it to be alien, I lived in what was then a rural community about 16 miles out of downtiwn Dallas. Across the street from our suburb was a cotton field. In the middle of the cotton field was a sharecroppers shack. I could see light between the boards of the shack and on cold winter nights I am certain those folks were cold. I was absolutely amazed when a Black stepped off of the curb so I, a 16 year old, could pass by unimpeded. I was also amazed when I went to the State Fair of Texas and saw 3 signs fo the restrooms: men, woman, and colored. The water fountains were labelled: white and colored, if my memory serves me right. There was also a billboard at the city line for Commerce Texas, if not Commerce it was another relatively small town well outside of Dallas, that said, "nigger don't let the sun set on your head". The last one that did, was hung. Needless to say that I saw tremendous change before I left Dallas for Indianapolis in '89. Dallas today has a black mayor, or did the last time I checked. Since my relocation to Dallas in '61, I have travelled (heavy business travel) and lived in other parts of the country: midwest, southwest, deep south, Denver, New England, New York. Lived in Mass. for better than 3 years, 77 - 81. Of all the different parts of the country, the southwest and deep south are by far the most desirable: Lower taxes; Friendlier people; Healthier economy (any connection to lower taxes?); Far better looking women. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." by: JAMES TRAUB New York Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
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It is a pity that the vocal minority are cast as the majority when seen from the outside. The same happens for America with gung ho Texans and ingorant Southerners being represented as the majority of America. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: gung ho Texans and ingorant Southerners As both a Texan and a Southerner I resent that. It is amusing that one from a country who is in full retreat from the world stage would buy into the silly demagogery put forth by the Democratic Party anyway. The idea that the US is represented by the East and West coast is, to me , much funnier. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: It is funny that all of your points indicate that the only reason the south is so nifty is because people from outside the south are moving there. Damn. Two for two I have to agree with you. What's the world coming to????? I did a stint in Dallas from 79 to 85. While they could call us Yankee and make it sound like a four letter word, it was the "Yankee" influx that represented "progress". At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
Tim Craig wrote: did a stint in Dallas from 79 to 85. While they could call us Yankee and make it sound like a four letter word, it was the "Yankee" influx that represented "progress". Just as long as you leave when your work is done. The problem is that so many move to Dallas and end up staying here. Of course we tend to segregate those in certain areas. I have lived in Texas since 1968 and am still considered somewhat outside the pale by many. I am the only non native Texan in our Home Owners Association ( about 150 members ) so my little part of Dallas is still "Old" Dallas. :) Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Paul Watson wrote: You guys need to sue Walker Texas Ranger and other Texan representatives. The old facts vs Hollywood problem. Must be that liberal media. :rolleyes: Chuck Norris Biographical Information Birthday: March 10, 1940 Birth Place: Ryan, Oklahoma, USA Birth Name: Carlos Ray Norris "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Chuck Norris Biographical Information Birthday: March 10, 1940 Birth Place: Ryan, Oklahoma, USA Birth Name: Carlos Ray Norris And he has a house about ten blocks from where my former home was. He likes Mexican food and is really a pretty nice guy. He knows how to wear a hat and boots and jeans and is not a prima donna. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Chuck Norris Biographical Information Birthday: March 10, 1940 Birth Place: Ryan, Oklahoma, USA Birth Name: Carlos Ray Norris And he has a house about ten blocks from where my former home was. He likes Mexican food and is really a pretty nice guy. He knows how to wear a hat and boots and jeans and is not a prima donna. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Richard, I and I do not think Paul ment any offence. Yes I have heard may good things about Chuck (espcially his work with teen groups) and am sure he is a good man. Paul's only comment was what info the world is given is sources like tv. I was just pointing out the two he choose actually were born elsewhere. Lets be honest. That is our image! Trust me here, My brother married a lady from overseas who already had children. His perception on what his new cousins were going to be like was interesting. :rose: "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: It is funny that all of your points indicate that the only reason the south is so nifty is because people from outside the south are moving there. Damn. Two for two I have to agree with you. What's the world coming to????? I did a stint in Dallas from 79 to 85. While they could call us Yankee and make it sound like a four letter word, it was the "Yankee" influx that represented "progress". At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
Tim Craig wrote: Damn. Two for two I have to agree with you. What's the world coming to????? It must have been the lunar eclipse! :)
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: It is funny that all of your points indicate that the only reason the south is so nifty is because people from outside the south are moving there. I wasn't giving reasons for living there, just pointing out that if you consider the south or the southwest ignorant you're making a mistake - but the real reason for the reply is to shed additional light. To start, I'll assume you're not from the south, nor have you lived there. I relocated to Dallas Texas from Pittsburgh PA in '61. My father was transferred and the family relocated. I was 16 at the time and found it to be alien, I lived in what was then a rural community about 16 miles out of downtiwn Dallas. Across the street from our suburb was a cotton field. In the middle of the cotton field was a sharecroppers shack. I could see light between the boards of the shack and on cold winter nights I am certain those folks were cold. I was absolutely amazed when a Black stepped off of the curb so I, a 16 year old, could pass by unimpeded. I was also amazed when I went to the State Fair of Texas and saw 3 signs fo the restrooms: men, woman, and colored. The water fountains were labelled: white and colored, if my memory serves me right. There was also a billboard at the city line for Commerce Texas, if not Commerce it was another relatively small town well outside of Dallas, that said, "nigger don't let the sun set on your head". The last one that did, was hung. Needless to say that I saw tremendous change before I left Dallas for Indianapolis in '89. Dallas today has a black mayor, or did the last time I checked. Since my relocation to Dallas in '61, I have travelled (heavy business travel) and lived in other parts of the country: midwest, southwest, deep south, Denver, New England, New York. Lived in Mass. for better than 3 years, 77 - 81. Of all the different parts of the country, the southwest and deep south are by far the most desirable: Lower taxes; Friendlier people; Healthier economy (any connection to lower taxes?); Far better looking women. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." by: JAMES TRAUB New York Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
Mike Gaskey wrote: I wasn't giving reasons for living there, just pointing out that if you consider the south or the southwest ignorant you're making a mistake I never thought the south was ignorant. Mike Gaskey wrote: To start, I'll assume you're not from the south, nor have you lived there I lived in Copperas Cove, TX for over a year.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: I wasn't giving reasons for living there, just pointing out that if you consider the south or the southwest ignorant you're making a mistake I never thought the south was ignorant. Mike Gaskey wrote: To start, I'll assume you're not from the south, nor have you lived there I lived in Copperas Cove, TX for over a year.
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: TX God's country. Sorry about the assumption. What I didn't include is my love of Texas summer nights = warm with a heavy scent from flowers. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." by: JAMES TRAUB New York Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy