The Elites
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: "George W. Bush and I approve of this message." I think you'll find they are required to do that now as part of the campaign finance reforms. They can no longer stick in a "paid for by rich guys for Bush" and then have the candidate pretend that the vicious mud slinging in the ad wasn't anything to do with them. I think it's a good idea overall, while it doesn't seem to have stopped the negative ads, it stops the candidates acting like their not behind it.
It just sounded odd that the GWB himself would say, "GWB and I approve...". It would have sounded better to have said, "I, GWB, approve...". Regards, Alvaro
Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.
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I think basically we have a country that is run by elites. The privaledged few who can run for high office are either rich or extremely well connected. In many cases they are not really good at anything other than looking good for the camera and saying the lines written for them by speachwriters. I think there should be a more concerted effort to allow anyone to gain high office. Thank you. I am JWood and I approved this message.
My neighbours think I am crazy - but they don't know that I have a trampoline. All they see my head bobbing up and down over the fence every five seconds
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JWood wrote: I think basically we have a country that is run by elites. yep JWood wrote: The privaledged few who can run for high office are either rich or extremely well connected. yep. you can't run a campaign that costs tens or hundreds of millions of dollars any other way. JWood wrote: I think there should be a more concerted effort to allow anyone to gain high office. i can't imagine any scheme that would allow it to happen. money and connections will always find a way to influence elections. ...unless... people are chosen at random to fill government positions. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
Another question is why is federal funding for election campaigns alway turned down by the eventual winner? I think it says that the odds are stacked against anyone that uses it. A presidential canditate lottery might actually not be such a bad idea - provided the person passes certain compentency tests. If you look through history many of the best leaders were ones that were "accidentally" thrust into power. The power grubbing types that do make it into power are the problem.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
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It just sounded odd that the GWB himself would say, "GWB and I approve...". It would have sounded better to have said, "I, GWB, approve...". Regards, Alvaro
Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.
I've heard it as "I'm <insert politician name here>, and I approve..." Is it possible you didn't hear the "I'm"?? "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it. It's too risky. You get a sense of it and then you look away." Jerry Seinfeld
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...they'll be the first to go, when I'm in charge! :rolleyes: How do you move in a world of fog, That's always changing things? Makes me wish that i could be a dog, When i see the price that you pay.
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Another question is why is federal funding for election campaigns alway turned down by the eventual winner? I think it says that the odds are stacked against anyone that uses it. A presidential canditate lottery might actually not be such a bad idea - provided the person passes certain compentency tests. If you look through history many of the best leaders were ones that were "accidentally" thrust into power. The power grubbing types that do make it into power are the problem.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
JWood wrote: I think it says that the odds are stacked against anyone that uses it. they are. federal funding limits the amount of money you can spend to a relatively low amount (around $40M this year). Bush is going to spend something like $200M. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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Chris Losinger wrote: unless... people are chosen at random to fill government positions. Now that would be cool! President Mullikin has a certain ring to it! ;P "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it. It's too risky. You get a sense of it and then you look away." Jerry Seinfeld
I think President-For-Life Mullikin sounds even better!
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Another question is why is federal funding for election campaigns alway turned down by the eventual winner? I think it says that the odds are stacked against anyone that uses it. A presidential canditate lottery might actually not be such a bad idea - provided the person passes certain compentency tests. If you look through history many of the best leaders were ones that were "accidentally" thrust into power. The power grubbing types that do make it into power are the problem.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
JWood wrote: If you look through history many of the best leaders were ones that were "accidentally" thrust into power Elucidate please. I.E. name a few of those "best" leaders and why they are "best". Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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I think President-For-Life Mullikin sounds even better!
Ed Gadziemski wrote: I think President-For-Life Mullikin sounds even better! I like the way you think! Interested in a Cabinet-Position-For-Life?? ;P "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it. It's too risky. You get a sense of it and then you look away." Jerry Seinfeld
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I think basically we have a country that is run by elites. The privaledged few who can run for high office are either rich or extremely well connected. In many cases they are not really good at anything other than looking good for the camera and saying the lines written for them by speachwriters. I think there should be a more concerted effort to allow anyone to gain high office. Thank you. I am JWood and I approved this message.
My neighbours think I am crazy - but they don't know that I have a trampoline. All they see my head bobbing up and down over the fence every five seconds
It's always interesting when the media reports on the value of the presidential candidates wealth. I seem to remember a couple of the front runner democrats having houses valued at several million dollars+. (No, I'm not saying that the republicans are any different.)
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JWood wrote: If you look through history many of the best leaders were ones that were "accidentally" thrust into power Elucidate please. I.E. name a few of those "best" leaders and why they are "best". Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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It's always interesting when the media reports on the value of the presidential candidates wealth. I seem to remember a couple of the front runner democrats having houses valued at several million dollars+. (No, I'm not saying that the republicans are any different.)
Kerry has around 600 million listed - partly because they included the assets of his very rich wife (Heinz Ketchup fortune). If he wins you will see Heinz ketchup in every government cafeteria and eatery. And why are you posting as anonymous - are YOU an member of those elitist b*****ds? ;P
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
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Kerry has around 600 million listed - partly because they included the assets of his very rich wife (Heinz Ketchup fortune). If he wins you will see Heinz ketchup in every government cafeteria and eatery. And why are you posting as anonymous - are YOU an member of those elitist b*****ds? ;P
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
JWood wrote: And why are you posting as anonymous - are YOU an member of those elitist b*****ds? The illuminati doesn't post messages. They make you, consciously or not, post messages they want to be posted. :suss: -- Ich bin der böse Mann von Schweden.
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It just sounded odd that the GWB himself would say, "GWB and I approve...". It would have sounded better to have said, "I, GWB, approve...". Regards, Alvaro
Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.
Alvaro Mendez wrote: "GWB and I approve...". I have to agree with Mike, I think you may have misheard what was being said. IIRC it's "I'm George W. Bush and I approve this message" or something very similar. I think the Kerry ads say the same thing but Kerry hasn't put any on in my next of the woods yet.
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JWood wrote: And why are you posting as anonymous - are YOU an member of those elitist b*****ds? The illuminati doesn't post messages. They make you, consciously or not, post messages they want to be posted. :suss: -- Ich bin der böse Mann von Schweden.
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Did they make you post that message you just posted now?
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
[transmission ended] -- Ich bin der böse Mann von Schweden.
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I think basically we have a country that is run by elites. The privaledged few who can run for high office are either rich or extremely well connected. In many cases they are not really good at anything other than looking good for the camera and saying the lines written for them by speachwriters. I think there should be a more concerted effort to allow anyone to gain high office. Thank you. I am JWood and I approved this message.
My neighbours think I am crazy - but they don't know that I have a trampoline. All they see my head bobbing up and down over the fence every five seconds
JWood wrote: I think there should be a more concerted effort to allow anyone to gain high office. How? "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
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[transmission ended] -- Ich bin der böse Mann von Schweden.
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Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
[Transmission Experts] "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it. It's too risky. You get a sense of it and then you look away." Jerry Seinfeld
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Ghandi, William of Orange, Lincoln was a "Comprimise Candidate" picked out of the crowd.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
Chandi was of course a complete failure - a good similarity to James Earl Carter - the wrong man for the wrong job. William of Orange was born a Prince - he did not acceed to the Kingship accidently without previous experience per se but through marriage and even then he was not a real pivotal point in history taken in isolation. Lincoln was at his heart a political animal - a successful attorney - and if not for his wife would have been much more active in national politics at a earlier period then he did. I thought that you would have mentioned Harry Truman as he was the only example I could think of that even remotly fit the bill. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare