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  • R Richard Stringer

    JWood wrote: If you look through history many of the best leaders were ones that were "accidentally" thrust into power Elucidate please. I.E. name a few of those "best" leaders and why they are "best". Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare

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    JWood
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    Ghandi, William of Orange, Lincoln was a "Comprimise Candidate" picked out of the crowd.


    Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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    • A Anonymous

      It's always interesting when the media reports on the value of the presidential candidates wealth. I seem to remember a couple of the front runner democrats having houses valued at several million dollars+. (No, I'm not saying that the republicans are any different.)

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      JWood
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      Kerry has around 600 million listed - partly because they included the assets of his very rich wife (Heinz Ketchup fortune). If he wins you will see Heinz ketchup in every government cafeteria and eatery. And why are you posting as anonymous - are YOU an member of those elitist b*****ds? ;P


      Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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        Kerry has around 600 million listed - partly because they included the assets of his very rich wife (Heinz Ketchup fortune). If he wins you will see Heinz ketchup in every government cafeteria and eatery. And why are you posting as anonymous - are YOU an member of those elitist b*****ds? ;P


        Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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        Jorgen Sigvardsson
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        JWood wrote: And why are you posting as anonymous - are YOU an member of those elitist b*****ds? The illuminati doesn't post messages. They make you, consciously or not, post messages they want to be posted. :suss: -- Ich bin der böse Mann von Schweden.

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        • A Alvaro Mendez

          It just sounded odd that the GWB himself would say, "GWB and I approve...". It would have sounded better to have said, "I, GWB, approve...". Regards, Alvaro


          Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.

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          Alvaro Mendez wrote: "GWB and I approve...". I have to agree with Mike, I think you may have misheard what was being said. IIRC it's "I'm George W. Bush and I approve this message" or something very similar. I think the Kerry ads say the same thing but Kerry hasn't put any on in my next of the woods yet.

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          • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

            JWood wrote: And why are you posting as anonymous - are YOU an member of those elitist b*****ds? The illuminati doesn't post messages. They make you, consciously or not, post messages they want to be posted. :suss: -- Ich bin der böse Mann von Schweden.

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            JWood
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            Did they make you post that message you just posted now?


            Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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            • J JWood

              Did they make you post that message you just posted now?


              Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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              Jorgen Sigvardsson
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              [transmission ended] -- Ich bin der böse Mann von Schweden.

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              • J JWood

                I think basically we have a country that is run by elites. The privaledged few who can run for high office are either rich or extremely well connected. In many cases they are not really good at anything other than looking good for the camera and saying the lines written for them by speachwriters. I think there should be a more concerted effort to allow anyone to gain high office. Thank you. I am JWood and I approved this message.


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                Stan Shannon
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                JWood wrote: I think there should be a more concerted effort to allow anyone to gain high office. How? "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."

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                • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                  [transmission ended] -- Ich bin der böse Mann von Schweden.

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                  [transmission jammed]


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                  • J JWood

                    [transmission jammed]


                    Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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                    [Transmission Experts] "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it. It's too risky. You get a sense of it and then you look away." Jerry Seinfeld

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                    • J JWood

                      Ghandi, William of Orange, Lincoln was a "Comprimise Candidate" picked out of the crowd.


                      Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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                      Richard Stringer
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                      Chandi was of course a complete failure - a good similarity to James Earl Carter - the wrong man for the wrong job. William of Orange was born a Prince - he did not acceed to the Kingship accidently without previous experience per se but through marriage and even then he was not a real pivotal point in history taken in isolation. Lincoln was at his heart a political animal - a successful attorney - and if not for his wife would have been much more active in national politics at a earlier period then he did. I thought that you would have mentioned Harry Truman as he was the only example I could think of that even remotly fit the bill. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare

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                      • S Stan Shannon

                        JWood wrote: I think there should be a more concerted effort to allow anyone to gain high office. How? "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."

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                        Jeremy Kimball
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                        Interesting question...not saying I have the answers, but: 1. What about the proposed bill that permits politicians to take X amount of free time on the airwaves to state their message? 2. What about taking a section of tax income and making a pool of cash for "political campaigning". Then this pool would be split between the various runners, to be used for campaign purposes only. 3. Curious why more politicians haven't used the 'Net as a forum...I can just imagine getting spam mail from GWB or Kerry... :(

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                        • S Stan Shannon

                          JWood wrote: I think there should be a more concerted effort to allow anyone to gain high office. How? "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."

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                          Selection from a computer program that will codify all human varibles in a large database and choose the best one for the job. :-D


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                            Selection from a computer program that will codify all human varibles in a large database and choose the best one for the job. :-D


                            Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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                            Stan Shannon
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                            Can I write it? You can trust me! I promise... :~ "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."

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                              I think basically we have a country that is run by elites. The privaledged few who can run for high office are either rich or extremely well connected. In many cases they are not really good at anything other than looking good for the camera and saying the lines written for them by speachwriters. I think there should be a more concerted effort to allow anyone to gain high office. Thank you. I am JWood and I approved this message.


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                              Ian Darling
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                              JWood wrote: I think basically we have a country that is run by elites. Elites?![^] I just use a plasma grenade and "stick em" :-)


                              Ian Darling "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

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                                JWood wrote: I think basically we have a country that is run by elites. Elites?![^] I just use a plasma grenade and "stick em" :-)


                                Ian Darling "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

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                                Jeremy Kimball
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                                *drool* I want Halo 2 so bad.... I'm probably going to pick up Pandora Tomorrow tonight :)

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                                  [Transmission Experts] "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it. It's too risky. You get a sense of it and then you look away." Jerry Seinfeld

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                                  Jeremy Kimball
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                                  :laugh::laugh:

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                                  • S Stan Shannon

                                    Can I write it? You can trust me! I promise... :~ "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."

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                                    JWood
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                                    Hell no - I'm writing it. Here is the code:

                                    int main()
                                    {
                                    GrindHardDriveForTwoMinutes();
                                    printf("After careful consideration I choose President Wood.");
                                    return 0;
                                    }


                                    Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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                                    • R Richard Stringer

                                      Chandi was of course a complete failure - a good similarity to James Earl Carter - the wrong man for the wrong job. William of Orange was born a Prince - he did not acceed to the Kingship accidently without previous experience per se but through marriage and even then he was not a real pivotal point in history taken in isolation. Lincoln was at his heart a political animal - a successful attorney - and if not for his wife would have been much more active in national politics at a earlier period then he did. I thought that you would have mentioned Harry Truman as he was the only example I could think of that even remotly fit the bill. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare

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                                      JWood
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                                      Rather than reply based on internet factoids which can spun this way and that way just look at it from a logical perspective. If you include us grubby unwashed in the equation of power you have a much larger pool of labour to select from. It gives you that much better chance of finding the best person for the job


                                      Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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                                        Rather than reply based on internet factoids which can spun this way and that way just look at it from a logical perspective. If you include us grubby unwashed in the equation of power you have a much larger pool of labour to select from. It gives you that much better chance of finding the best person for the job


                                        Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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                                        Richard Stringer
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                                        JWood wrote: Rather than reply based on internet factoids which can spun this way and that way just look at it from a logical perspective My wife has a degree in History and a minor in Library Sciences. History and discussions thereof are a big part of our lives - also a big interest. Internet factoids usually play no role Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare

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                                          [transmission jammed]


                                          Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer

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                                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                          Have you seen Space Balls? :rolleyes: -- Ich bin der böse Mann von Schweden.

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