Isn't it odd
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That 500,000 to 800,00 women march[^] to protect their right to kill? Of course they currently have that right but what concerns them is the recent change that eliminates (AKA partial birth abortion) the right to suck the brains out of an unborn child to effect an abortion. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
:zzz: been there done that[^] Later, JoeSox "What I like to drink most is wine that belongs to others." -- Diogenes Laërtius joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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HUGHES: Well, Wolf, it's always an issue. And I frankly think it's changing somewhat. I think after September 11th the American people are valuing life more and realizing that we need policies to value the dignity and worth of every life. And President Bush has worked to say, let's be reasonable, let's work to value life, let's try to reduce the number of abortions, let's increase adoptions. And I think those are the kind of policies that the American people can support, particularly at a time when we're facing an enemy, and really the fundamental difference between us and the terror network we fight is that we value every life. It's the founding conviction of our country, that we're endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, the right to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Unfortunately our enemies in the terror network, as we're seeing repeatedly in the headlines these days, don't value any life, not even the innocent and not even their own.
isn't it odd that the President's chief bootlick just conflated abortion with Islamist terrorism ? isn't it odd that there is apparently no topic that BushCo won't try to tie to 9/11 ? of course it's not odd. 3,000 people died so BushCo can run a jingositic bloody-shirt campaign that calls half the country un-American. and just watch their supporters eat it up. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
Chris Losinger wrote: isn't it odd that the President's chief bootlick just conflated abortion with Islamist terrorism ? It is even odder that abortion is illegal in some backward or terrorist supporting countries. Does that get interpreted as those countries value life more than the USA?
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:zzz: been there done that[^] Later, JoeSox "What I like to drink most is wine that belongs to others." -- Diogenes Laërtius joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
Didn't "Roe" turned into a very millitant pro-life advocate recently ( and vivid born again christian ) ?
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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That 500,000 to 800,00 women march[^] to protect their right to kill? Of course they currently have that right but what concerns them is the recent change that eliminates (AKA partial birth abortion) the right to suck the brains out of an unborn child to effect an abortion. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
I'm always rather disturbed at men getting involved in this argument. What do men know about carrying a child or giving birth? I am a man and I'm really VERY glad that I don't have to endure a pregnancy, either planned or otherwise. Personally I don't much like the idea of abortion but I don't have the right to tell someone else that they must carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. It may well be repugnant to abort a foetus at 24 weeks or later but if you're 16 and facing a life of penury trying to bring up an unwanted child in a hostile world what else can you do? (answers, please, on a postcard...) Mark, London.
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That 500,000 to 800,00 women march[^] to protect their right to kill? Of course they currently have that right but what concerns them is the recent change that eliminates (AKA partial birth abortion) the right to suck the brains out of an unborn child to effect an abortion. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
Mike Gaskey wrote: That 500,000 to 800,00 women march[^] to protect their right to kill? I think you have a small typo there. It should read protect their right to choose. Protect their right to determind their own fate. Protect their right to be full and equal members in society. Maybe Bush and co. would like to see women bare foot and pregnant and weighed down with a cluster of children because then they won't be able to make it to the polls to vote democrat. If Bush cared about children he'd fund education properly, if he cared about children he'd make sure that poor single mothers didn't have to work 3 minimum wage jobs leaving their children home alone just to put food on the table and then blame them for how their kids turn out. If he cared about reducing abortion he'd insist on more sex education in schools and would be handing out condoms himself. But Bush doesn't care about women, children or abortion.
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I'm always rather disturbed at men getting involved in this argument. What do men know about carrying a child or giving birth? I am a man and I'm really VERY glad that I don't have to endure a pregnancy, either planned or otherwise. Personally I don't much like the idea of abortion but I don't have the right to tell someone else that they must carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. It may well be repugnant to abort a foetus at 24 weeks or later but if you're 16 and facing a life of penury trying to bring up an unwanted child in a hostile world what else can you do? (answers, please, on a postcard...) Mark, London.
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Uggy wrote: if you're 16 and facing a life of penury trying to bring up an unwanted child in a hostile world what else can you do There are plenty of people in the United States who are willing to adopt.
Great. But how do these youngsters get proper advice when they're scared and broke? How do they know where to go? Invariably it's kids from poorer families that have little or no access to the proper state authorities or facilities that get pregnant. It's all very sad. Mark
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Didn't "Roe" turned into a very millitant pro-life advocate recently ( and vivid born again christian ) ?
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
Maximilien wrote: Didn't "Roe" turned into a very millitant pro-life advocate recently ( and vivid born again christian ) ? Yes Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
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Didn't "Roe" turned into a very millitant pro-life advocate recently ( and vivid born again christian ) ?
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
Maximilien wrote: Didn't "Roe" turned into a very millitant pro-life advocate recently ( and vivid born again christian ) ? It doesn't matter the law is the law. Later, JoeSox "What I like to drink most is wine that belongs to others." -- Diogenes Laërtius joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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I'm always rather disturbed at men getting involved in this argument. What do men know about carrying a child or giving birth? I am a man and I'm really VERY glad that I don't have to endure a pregnancy, either planned or otherwise. Personally I don't much like the idea of abortion but I don't have the right to tell someone else that they must carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. It may well be repugnant to abort a foetus at 24 weeks or later but if you're 16 and facing a life of penury trying to bring up an unwanted child in a hostile world what else can you do? (answers, please, on a postcard...) Mark, London.
Uggy wrote: I'm always rather disturbed at men getting involved in this argument. So it's its disturbing that a man wants to have a say regarding whether or not his child will be born?? :wtf: I'm more disturbed by those who don't give a shit. BW The Biggest Loser
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Uggy wrote: I'm always rather disturbed at men getting involved in this argument. So it's its disturbing that a man wants to have a say regarding whether or not his child will be born?? :wtf: I'm more disturbed by those who don't give a shit. BW The Biggest Loser
"And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun" -
:-D It is a recurring theme isn't it? BW The Biggest Loser
"And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun" -
:-D It is a recurring theme isn't it? BW The Biggest Loser
"And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"Indeed! Abortion, homosexuality, Iraq, Bush, religion ... surely there must be other contentious issues we can all argue about! ;)
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Indeed! Abortion, homosexuality, Iraq, Bush, religion ... surely there must be other contentious issues we can all argue about! ;)
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Indeed! Abortion, homosexuality, Iraq, Bush, religion ... surely there must be other contentious issues we can all argue about! There hasn't been a good tech argument as of late. I'll start: Java sucks! Linux blows! VB for ever! Was that suitably argument and content free? :-)
Ian Darling "If we've learned anything from history, it's that those who feed trolls are condemned to repetitive conversations. Or something like that." - Eric Lippert
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Indeed! Abortion, homosexuality, Iraq, Bush, religion ... surely there must be other contentious issues we can all argue about! ;)
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Uggy wrote: I'm always rather disturbed at men getting involved in this argument. So it's its disturbing that a man wants to have a say regarding whether or not his child will be born?? :wtf: I'm more disturbed by those who don't give a shit. BW The Biggest Loser
"And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"Yeah, right. So you've had your 30 seconds of pushing and shoving and you want a say??? C'mon, most of the guys that 'cause' unwanted pregnancy couldn't give a flying doodah, much less care if the woman goes through the 9 months and has the child. Instead of trying to outlaw abortion why not spend that time and energy to persaude, cajole or plain old teach these kids not to have unprotected sex.
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Uggy wrote: I'm always rather disturbed at men getting involved in this argument. So it's its disturbing that a man wants to have a say regarding whether or not his child will be born?? :wtf: I'm more disturbed by those who don't give a shit. BW The Biggest Loser
"And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"brianwelsch wrote: So it's its disturbing that a man wants to have a say regarding whether or not his child will be born?? Yeah, why shouldn't a guy be able to force a woman to bare his child when a woman can't force a man to not completely disappear and leave her holding the baby, literally!
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Yeah, right. So you've had your 30 seconds of pushing and shoving and you want a say??? C'mon, most of the guys that 'cause' unwanted pregnancy couldn't give a flying doodah, much less care if the woman goes through the 9 months and has the child. Instead of trying to outlaw abortion why not spend that time and energy to persaude, cajole or plain old teach these kids not to have unprotected sex.
Well that's what Bush's completely ineffective and unrealistic abstinence programs are for. You'd think he'd would have learnt when he found that Texas oil refineries could not be trusted to voluntarily reduce emission that it would be unrealistic to expect teenage boys to do reduce their "emissions".
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Didn't "Roe" turned into a very millitant pro-life advocate recently ( and vivid born again christian ) ?
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
Militant?
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
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That 500,000 to 800,00 women march[^] to protect their right to kill? Of course they currently have that right but what concerns them is the recent change that eliminates (AKA partial birth abortion) the right to suck the brains out of an unborn child to effect an abortion. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
I've said this before: it's not the right to "kill poor little innocent babies". It's the right to have something removed from your body that you don't want there. Let's say you have a house with a yard and you take a walk outside. All of the sudden you find dog poop on the ground. You can either leave it there until it decomposes in a few days or weeks, or you can remove it immediately. You have the legal right to have it removed because the poop is in your house. Say your yard is not fenced in. This means that any animal could walk in and poop in it at any time. Should you now be forced to live with whatever poop is dropped in your yard? Let's say you put a fence in your yard and a dog still manages to break in, or perhaps your friend brings his dog for a visit and leaves you a nasty surprise. Guess what, you still have the right to remove the poop because it's inside your yard. Now you may say that a fetus is not the same as dog poop and you're right. But it doesn't change anything. If something goes into your yard (or your body) without your consent, you should have the legal right to remove it, EVEN IF DOING SO ENDS ITS LIFE. If you don't agree, what would you do if I break into your house in the middle of the night, connect myself to your liver, and tell you I have to stay connected to you for nine months or else I'll die? Oh, and you have to be gentle with me: no smoking, no drinking, no medicines, no streneous exercise, no falling, and of course, no dieting -- I'm always hungry! :-) Regards, Alvaro
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