Just an idea, Chris M.
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I have been getting more and more frustrated with the "articles" that have been coming out. It seems that these "articles", while being great code, are not really articles but code samples. Couldn't you make a new section (I know it's not an easy task) that just has areas for pure code samples? I consider an article a piece of literary work that describes a methodology on how to accomplish a specific task, not a place to attach code. Please do not get me wrong. I have not been a member that long, but I have become dependent on Code Project to help me learn C# and how to work with the .NET framework. Everyone I have dealt with (except Soapbox) has been very helpful {accolades to Heath}, but when I see a new article, I get disappointed when it's just the code without any article. When I wrote a basic article (more like just a code sample), I asked why it got voted down and a very kind person (can't remember who) explained that people appreciate the article and the code. Soon after I deleted the article because I agreed whole heartedly. So just a suggestion, why can't we seperate the submissions into seperate areas of articles and code samples? That way people who just want code copying have a place to go and people like myself who are using the articles as learning supplements can both be happy. Regards, Eric C. Tomlinson
Yes, I program in VB6, but only because I use it to fill my addiction to having a dry place to sleep and food to eat!It is not such a hot idea because then people would feel it is ok to just post code snippets and not work on articles. We want articles, not code snippets. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Wackatronic wrote: So just a suggestion, why can't we seperate the submissions into seperate areas of articles and code samples? That way people who just want code copying have a place to go and people like myself who are using the articles as learning supplements can both be happy. but a code sample without a decent documented explanation is pretty much useless. Personally, if the article cannot explain the hows and whys of the code then what use is it. If the author cannot provide quality documentation, then in my mind I have to question the quality of the code. Even with the simplest code snippit, there is always something the will need explaining as the experience levels here at CP cover the full range from beginner to guru. Michael CP Blog [^]
You're missing the point. Have two (2) sections. One for articles (with source if so desired) and another for just "pure" code samples. That way the people (as I learned from Heath S.'s staement a while back) that are purely interested in just using the code can have a place to go and those interested in learning how and why have a place to go. I'm not saying just have code samples, because I really do use the articles to learn from. Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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Ever get that feeling you are sitting in a room and everyone is talking about you? :D cheers, Chris Maunder Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.
Sorry. Hope this doesn't traumatize you.;P Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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It is not such a hot idea because then people would feel it is ok to just post code snippets and not work on articles. We want articles, not code snippets. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Look at about a third (1/3) of the articles submitted and you'll see that they contain no explaination of the solution they provide. They contain mostly the source files and a breif statement of "here it is hope you enjoy" Paul Watson wrote: We want articles, not code snippets. Exactly. But people are using the articles to post pure code! Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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You're missing the point. Have two (2) sections. One for articles (with source if so desired) and another for just "pure" code samples. That way the people (as I learned from Heath S.'s staement a while back) that are purely interested in just using the code can have a place to go and those interested in learning how and why have a place to go. I'm not saying just have code samples, because I really do use the articles to learn from. Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
Visit my Code Project blog (Mobile Audio project)[^]
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Ever get that feeling you are sitting in a room and everyone is talking about you? :D cheers, Chris Maunder Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.
Still, you don't miss much, do you?;P Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.
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Look at about a third (1/3) of the articles submitted and you'll see that they contain no explaination of the solution they provide. They contain mostly the source files and a breif statement of "here it is hope you enjoy" Paul Watson wrote: We want articles, not code snippets. Exactly. But people are using the articles to post pure code! Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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Yes but let's not encourage more people. Having written a few articles myself I know that at the outset you just want to get your code up and it takes an effort to write an article around it. It would have been so much easier, and less useful, had I seen the Code Snippet Section and shoved it in there. Offer a people a way out and they will take it :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Issue: Empty articles that contain source files zipped. Article that basically says "here's the code, enjoy". Solution: Provide a way of still submitting articles that may or may not contain code. Provide a way of storing just code samples. This way people who use the articles to learn from (and use the code) can filter out the articles used for just submitting code. And the people who don't want an article can have a place to just download samples. I must not be explaining the idea correctly because people are not understanding. I do not =want to do away with articles but I'm tired of looking at submitted articles that contain just a source code zip. :(( Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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Issue: Empty articles that contain source files zipped. Article that basically says "here's the code, enjoy". Solution: Provide a way of still submitting articles that may or may not contain code. Provide a way of storing just code samples. This way people who use the articles to learn from (and use the code) can filter out the articles used for just submitting code. And the people who don't want an article can have a place to just download samples. I must not be explaining the idea correctly because people are not understanding. I do not =want to do away with articles but I'm tired of looking at submitted articles that contain just a source code zip. :(( Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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Wackatronic wrote: I must not be explaining the idea correctly because people are not understanding. I do not =want to do away with articles but I'm tired of looking at submitted articles that contain just a source code zip. I now understand what you want. I don't see that it would work, but I now understand. Allowing people just to "dump" code samples is a bad idea. The noise ratio would increase. We already get too many people publishing crap. Having a seperate section would only encourage this and make the job of the CP team who have to maintain the site harder. Besides people who just post code samples would still get voted down by the people who wanted an article on the subject. So in a way we already have a section like this, called Purgatory[^] Michael CP Blog [^]
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Wackatronic wrote: I must not be explaining the idea correctly because people are not understanding. I do not =want to do away with articles but I'm tired of looking at submitted articles that contain just a source code zip. I now understand what you want. I don't see that it would work, but I now understand. Allowing people just to "dump" code samples is a bad idea. The noise ratio would increase. We already get too many people publishing crap. Having a seperate section would only encourage this and make the job of the CP team who have to maintain the site harder. Besides people who just post code samples would still get voted down by the people who wanted an article on the subject. So in a way we already have a section like this, called Purgatory[^] Michael CP Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote: So in a way we already have a section like this, called Purgatory But what if it's good code. Does it really desrve being sent to "Purgatory" ? Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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Michael P Butler wrote: So in a way we already have a section like this, called Purgatory But what if it's good code. Does it really desrve being sent to "Purgatory" ? Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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Wackatronic wrote: But what if it's good code. Does it really desrve being sent to "Purgatory" ? No, it probably doesn't. However most people who vote on 'articles' at CP are more likely to vote something down if there isn't any supporting documentation. Not many people are going to go and download code and then vote for an article. They'll have a look at the page, find no substantial information or documentation and vote the article down. However if the code *is* good, then the developer is more likely to spend time writing a decent article anyway. Michael CP Blog [^]
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Yes but let's not encourage more people. Having written a few articles myself I know that at the outset you just want to get your code up and it takes an effort to write an article around it. It would have been so much easier, and less useful, had I seen the Code Snippet Section and shoved it in there. Offer a people a way out and they will take it :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Very well put. People in general are lazy and if given the chance will skip the article altogether! And Yes, I count myself in that. I have a few code snippets that could make nice articles *BUT* I havn't posted any as yet because I have not gotten around to writing the do's, don'ts and why's surrounding them. Ant. I'm hard, yet soft.
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Michael P Butler wrote: So in a way we already have a section like this, called Purgatory But what if it's good code. Does it really desrve being sent to "Purgatory" ? Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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Code with no explanation is never good. Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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I'll put in my 2c here. Wackatronic wrote: I get disappointed when it's just the code without any article. Ironically, I've been told all people want to see is the code. Read some of the feedback in my article on What Is A Good Article[^] Wackatronic wrote: why can't we seperate the submissions into seperate areas of articles and code samples? Mmm. I think figuring out how to separate this out would be really hard. Contributions vary all over the place regarding the ratio between code and article. Sometimes (although rarely, I suppose), all that is necessary is the code. There may be a very elegant solution to a problem. Just like a picture is worth a thousand words, a good code example is worth a thousand words as well. Though, this probably isn't too often, eh? :) Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
For me, code is very important but when I look at an article the first time I look at the questions to see what others have thought about it, then the article itself and finally the code. Of course, it could just be that I'm awkward :rolleyes: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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Michael P Butler wrote: So in a way we already have a section like this, called Purgatory But what if it's good code. Does it really desrve being sent to "Purgatory" ? Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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Coming in late to the debate and two footed at that... Lets say the code is excellent and is just code. How do you find it through the search mechanism? With no description or keywords etc, you would not be able to find what you needed in a mountain of information. Half the fun of publishing articles, I think, is that you have to write them and not the code. It exercises a different area of your brain. Isn't there suppost to be a correlation between vocabulary size and intelligence? Roger Allen - Sonork 100.10016 Strong Sad: I am sad I am flying Who is your favorite Strong?
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For me, code is very important but when I look at an article the first time I look at the questions to see what others have thought about it, then the article itself and finally the code. Of course, it could just be that I'm awkward :rolleyes: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: I'm awkward We both are. I read some of the comments first to see if people smarter than me found the piece worthwhile. If so, I move on to the article itself, because the code is usually confusing taken alone. If the article is well written, explaining in detail what certain parts of the code are doing, I attempt to muddle through the code and figure out what's going on. If it's useful, I file it away as a reference in case I ever need to do something similar. Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.
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For me, code is very important but when I look at an article the first time I look at the questions to see what others have thought about it, then the article itself and finally the code. Of course, it could just be that I'm awkward :rolleyes: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: when I look at an article the first time I look at the questions to see what others have thought about it Me too! Almost makes me wish the responses were at the top of the article page, not the bottom! How'd that be for awkward, hehehe. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
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Coming in late to the debate and two footed at that... Lets say the code is excellent and is just code. How do you find it through the search mechanism? With no description or keywords etc, you would not be able to find what you needed in a mountain of information. Half the fun of publishing articles, I think, is that you have to write them and not the code. It exercises a different area of your brain. Isn't there suppost to be a correlation between vocabulary size and intelligence? Roger Allen - Sonork 100.10016 Strong Sad: I am sad I am flying Who is your favorite Strong?
Roger Allen wrote: Isn't there suppost to be a correlation between vocabulary size and intelligence? Yep... ...:doh: Iain.
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Trollslayer wrote: when I look at an article the first time I look at the questions to see what others have thought about it Me too! Almost makes me wish the responses were at the top of the article page, not the bottom! How'd that be for awkward, hehehe. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
Marc Clifton wrote: Almost makes me wish the responses were at the top of the article page, not the bottom! Wouldn't that be what the rating was design for :) Of course it helps if you are not the first one readying it... Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com