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Why do Muslim women have to wear the bag over their head? Is it so another man does gaze upon another man's woman? The women can't blow kisses and make goo-goo eyes? The face is the most erotic zone amongst Muslims? Just confused. Michael Martin Australia mmartin@netspace.net.au "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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Why do Muslim women have to wear the bag over their head? Is it so another man does gaze upon another man's woman? The women can't blow kisses and make goo-goo eyes? The face is the most erotic zone amongst Muslims? Just confused. Michael Martin Australia mmartin@netspace.net.au "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Michael Martin wrote: The face is the most erotic zone amongst Muslims It's not jus the face that is covered. Muslim women cover everything. It's a geographic thing I guess. here in India women wear minis but never ever go topless. Out in the west women often are seen topless. Take the hollywood gals for instance. Just abt all my fav actresses have topless and full frontal nudes :-) But unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) none of the indian actresses [barring one or two rare ones] have offered anything like that to us Regards Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Why do Muslim women have to wear the bag over their head? Is it so another man does gaze upon another man's woman? The women can't blow kisses and make goo-goo eyes? The face is the most erotic zone amongst Muslims? Just confused. Michael Martin Australia mmartin@netspace.net.au "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Here is an explanation from www.whyislam.org: ------------------------------------------------ Q. Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil? A. The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam 1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity: 1. Babylonian Civilization: The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death. 2. Greek Civilization: Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society. 3. Roman Civilization: When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans. 4. Egyptian Civilization: The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil. 5. Pre-Islamic Arabia: Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive. 2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status. Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status. Hijab for men People usually only discuss ‘hijab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijab’ for men before ‘hijab’ for the women. The Qu
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Here is an explanation from www.whyislam.org: ------------------------------------------------ Q. Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil? A. The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam 1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity: 1. Babylonian Civilization: The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death. 2. Greek Civilization: Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society. 3. Roman Civilization: When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans. 4. Egyptian Civilization: The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil. 5. Pre-Islamic Arabia: Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive. 2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status. Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status. Hijab for men People usually only discuss ‘hijab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijab’ for men before ‘hijab’ for the women. The Qu
So to prevent men having bad thoughts about women, women are punished by having to wear a bag on their heads. Seems a little unfair. Perhaps Muslim men should wear the bag on their head so that they can't see those thought provoking women.
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So to prevent men having bad thoughts about women, women are punished by having to wear a bag on their heads. Seems a little unfair. Perhaps Muslim men should wear the bag on their head so that they can't see those thought provoking women.
Dan Bennett wrote: So to prevent men having bad thoughts about women, women are punished by having to wear a bag on their heads. Seems a little unfair. Perhaps Muslim men should wear the bag on their head so that they can't see those thought provoking women. Must be a boon for all the gay men, seeing all those naked faces of men walking down the street :-) Michael :-)
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Here is an explanation from www.whyislam.org: ------------------------------------------------ Q. Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil? A. The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam 1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity: 1. Babylonian Civilization: The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death. 2. Greek Civilization: Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society. 3. Roman Civilization: When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans. 4. Egyptian Civilization: The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil. 5. Pre-Islamic Arabia: Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive. 2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status. Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status. Hijab for men People usually only discuss ‘hijab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijab’ for men before ‘hijab’ for the women. The Qu
Wow. Thanks for that Mustafa. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Here is an explanation from www.whyislam.org: ------------------------------------------------ Q. Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil? A. The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam 1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity: 1. Babylonian Civilization: The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death. 2. Greek Civilization: Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society. 3. Roman Civilization: When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans. 4. Egyptian Civilization: The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil. 5. Pre-Islamic Arabia: Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive. 2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status. Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status. Hijab for men People usually only discuss ‘hijab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijab’ for men before ‘hijab’ for the women. The Qu
Thank you Mustafa! Even if I am a follower of Christ, I always appreciate when someone use his time to bring the truth. Thanks for the Links! - God bless the World
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Here is an explanation from www.whyislam.org: ------------------------------------------------ Q. Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil? A. The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam 1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity: 1. Babylonian Civilization: The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death. 2. Greek Civilization: Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society. 3. Roman Civilization: When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans. 4. Egyptian Civilization: The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil. 5. Pre-Islamic Arabia: Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive. 2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status. Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status. Hijab for men People usually only discuss ‘hijab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijab’ for men before ‘hijab’ for the women. The Qu
Thanks for posting that. It made for very interesting reading. Whilst its reasons are food for thought. It overlooks the most basic of human rights, the right to choose. Michael :-)
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So to prevent men having bad thoughts about women, women are punished by having to wear a bag on their heads. Seems a little unfair. Perhaps Muslim men should wear the bag on their head so that they can't see those thought provoking women.
Dan Bennett wrote: So to prevent men having bad thoughts about women, women are punished by having to wear a bag on their heads. Actually, most Muslim women aren't forced to wear Hijab. Check this news article on interviews with some of them. Five women tell why they choose to wear them -- or not // Fazlul
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Here is an explanation from www.whyislam.org: ------------------------------------------------ Q. Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil? A. The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam 1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity: 1. Babylonian Civilization: The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death. 2. Greek Civilization: Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society. 3. Roman Civilization: When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans. 4. Egyptian Civilization: The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil. 5. Pre-Islamic Arabia: Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive. 2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status. Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status. Hijab for men People usually only discuss ‘hijab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijab’ for men before ‘hijab’ for the women. The Qu
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Here is an explanation from www.whyislam.org: ------------------------------------------------ Q. Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil? A. The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam 1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity: 1. Babylonian Civilization: The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death. 2. Greek Civilization: Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society. 3. Roman Civilization: When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans. 4. Egyptian Civilization: The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil. 5. Pre-Islamic Arabia: Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive. 2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status. Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status. Hijab for men People usually only discuss ‘hijab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijab’ for men before ‘hijab’ for the women. The Qu
I don't intend to discuss religion, because I think it's pointless, but I strongly disagree with the main argument for the hijab: to protect women from lustful men. Why instead of covering women from head to toe to hide their beauty, why not make rules to make men respect women as equals without making women feel like a helpless sheep among hungry wolves? :confused: Foot-and-Mouth disease is believed to be the first virus unable to spread through Microsoft Outlook
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Why do Muslim women have to wear the bag over their head? Is it so another man does gaze upon another man's woman? The women can't blow kisses and make goo-goo eyes? The face is the most erotic zone amongst Muslims? Just confused. Michael Martin Australia mmartin@netspace.net.au "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Because that's the only way they can tell the women from the men. Without the bag on their head, everyone would have a visible beard. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Why in some islamic countries women are not allowed to work? Is it also dictated in Qur'an? If yes, what's the reasoning behind that? Just curious.
No, it is not dictated in Qur'an. It is a matter of choice. I admit that in some countries, women are not allowed to work; but this does not mean that this is because of the Islam. In fact, this is because of misunderstanding of Islam. Kind regards Mustafa Demirhan http://www.macroangel.com Sonork ID 100.9935:zoltrix
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So to prevent men having bad thoughts about women, women are punished by having to wear a bag on their heads. Seems a little unfair. Perhaps Muslim men should wear the bag on their head so that they can't see those thought provoking women.
Dan, you obviously didn't take the time to read Mustafa's reply, or if you did, you are so closed minded that you absorbed none of it. That was not what he said at all. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
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Because that's the only way they can tell the women from the men. Without the bag on their head, everyone would have a visible beard. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Cruel, very cruel, but undeniably funny! :) ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
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Because that's the only way they can tell the women from the men. Without the bag on their head, everyone would have a visible beard. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Very funny. My drink nearly went all over my keyboard. Funniest thing I've read for a while. Michael :-)
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I don't intend to discuss religion, because I think it's pointless, but I strongly disagree with the main argument for the hijab: to protect women from lustful men. Why instead of covering women from head to toe to hide their beauty, why not make rules to make men respect women as equals without making women feel like a helpless sheep among hungry wolves? :confused: Foot-and-Mouth disease is believed to be the first virus unable to spread through Microsoft Outlook
Eddie Velasquez wrote: Why instead of covering women from head to toe to hide their beauty, why not make rules to make men respect women as equals without making women feel like a helpless sheep among hungry wolves? Because all the established religions were written by men. Even in today's world - even in so called equal civilisations - men write the rules for a man-centric world. Besides which, women raping men is nowhere near as commonplace as the other way round. And Islam as a religion - just as Christianity does - teaches the same basic "treat all people equally as they are under the eyes of god". It is man who chooses to ignore this. And finally, as I beleive it was stated, Islam as a religion gives it's followers - man or woman - choice. It is the missinterpretation of Islam (mostly by those who do not understand it though choice or ignorance) that means in some cases women are forced to cover themselves. It is the same with Christianity (especially in the States) where you'll find hundreds of spin off Christian groups who take the simplest rules of their religion and twist them into new meaning. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
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Eddie Velasquez wrote: Why instead of covering women from head to toe to hide their beauty, why not make rules to make men respect women as equals without making women feel like a helpless sheep among hungry wolves? Because all the established religions were written by men. Even in today's world - even in so called equal civilisations - men write the rules for a man-centric world. Besides which, women raping men is nowhere near as commonplace as the other way round. And Islam as a religion - just as Christianity does - teaches the same basic "treat all people equally as they are under the eyes of god". It is man who chooses to ignore this. And finally, as I beleive it was stated, Islam as a religion gives it's followers - man or woman - choice. It is the missinterpretation of Islam (mostly by those who do not understand it though choice or ignorance) that means in some cases women are forced to cover themselves. It is the same with Christianity (especially in the States) where you'll find hundreds of spin off Christian groups who take the simplest rules of their religion and twist them into new meaning. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
I understand and agree with all your points David, I was just disagreeing with the arguments for the hijad. The reasons are obvious (at least for me) and commonplace, Islam like any other religion can be (and has been) missinterpreted and used for the convinience of those who have the power. Foot-and-Mouth disease is believed to be the first virus unable to spread through Microsoft Outlook
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Because that's the only way they can tell the women from the men. Without the bag on their head, everyone would have a visible beard. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
LOLROTF! :laugh: Foot-and-Mouth disease is believed to be the first virus unable to spread through Microsoft Outlook
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Why do Muslim women have to wear the bag over their head? Is it so another man does gaze upon another man's woman? The women can't blow kisses and make goo-goo eyes? The face is the most erotic zone amongst Muslims? Just confused. Michael Martin Australia mmartin@netspace.net.au "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Michael Martin wrote: Why do Muslim women have to wear the bag over their head? A confession from a Canadian girl (as appeared in The Globe and Mail). My Body is My Own Business // Fazlul
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