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And vice versa. :| ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
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If I missed your point it was because you didn't state it. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
David Wulff wrote: If I missed your point it was because you didn't state it. sar·casm Pronunciation: 'sär-"ka-z&m Function: noun Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwar&s- to cut Date: 1550 1 : A sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain 2 : A cutting, often ironic remark intended to show absurdity. Now, re-read my original question in a very sarcastic tone. "Using this logic can we also assume that if the Islamic hijab is followed in America that the rate of Americans hijacking passenger jets and crashing them into buildings killing 1000's of innocents will increase as well??" Understand??? Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "If I have to hear another snide comment about Americans' lack of a sense of humour or use of sarcasm, I'm gonna scream!!" - Mike Mullikin 5/12/01
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David Wulff wrote: If I missed your point it was because you didn't state it. sar·casm Pronunciation: 'sär-"ka-z&m Function: noun Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwar&s- to cut Date: 1550 1 : A sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain 2 : A cutting, often ironic remark intended to show absurdity. Now, re-read my original question in a very sarcastic tone. "Using this logic can we also assume that if the Islamic hijab is followed in America that the rate of Americans hijacking passenger jets and crashing them into buildings killing 1000's of innocents will increase as well??" Understand??? Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "If I have to hear another snide comment about Americans' lack of a sense of humour or use of sarcasm, I'm gonna scream!!" - Mike Mullikin 5/12/01
You don't need to get sarcastic with me! But, 'sär-"ka-z&m only works (in written form) if you previously state your views. Your reply could be read as sarcastic or meaningful, however you intended it to come across. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
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Could you answer the following questions: Why men can have four wives and divorce them at will? Why there are promises of sharp breasted women in heaven to those who obey God's will? Why death is the penalty for those who are converted from islam? :confused:
Lee A. wrote: Why men can have four wives and divorce them at will? Because religion was written by men, for men. Lee A. wrote: Why there are promises of sharp breasted women in heaven to those who obey God's will? (See above) Lee A. wrote: Why death is the penalty for those who are converted from islam? Death and enternal torture is promised to all who know about but choose to disregard Christianity. How is this in any way different if you are religious? Christianity goes to great pains to teach us the sanctity of human life, and then says that in out *real* existance this sancity is irrelavent. But hey, it's religion. It doesn't have to be logical! ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
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You don't need to get sarcastic with me! But, 'sär-"ka-z&m only works (in written form) if you previously state your views. Your reply could be read as sarcastic or meaningful, however you intended it to come across. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
Sorry, I was hoping the sheer absurdity of it (my original question) would do the trick. I guess I should know better here in the CP Lounge. Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy."
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Sorry, I was hoping the sheer absurdity of it (my original question) would do the trick. I guess I should know better here in the CP Lounge. Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy."
Mike Mullikin wrote: I guess I should know better here in the CP Lounge. :-D Well you get all sorts - that's why I wasn't sure. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
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Lee A. wrote: Seems to be a perfect excuse to justify your believes No, I was merely quoting someone who actually wears it. The theological argument has already been given in earlier posts. Cheers. // Fazlul
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Why do Muslim women have to wear the bag over their head? Is it so another man does gaze upon another man's woman? The women can't blow kisses and make goo-goo eyes? The face is the most erotic zone amongst Muslims? Just confused. Michael Martin Australia mmartin@netspace.net.au "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Christianity has similar teachings, but they are more general rules of thumb. We are taught that if something causes a brother or sister to sin don't do it, even though it's not a sin in and of itself. For example The bible says nothing about wearing mini-skirts, but if a girl wears one and is causing people to struggle with lust then she "shouldn't" do it. It's not rule written in stone, it's a principal, a matter of heart. Of course a woman can say "I'll wear what I want! It's not my fault men are lustful." she has that choice. But if she really cares about the guy, and it didn't matter either way, why not err on the side of modesty?
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Could you answer the following questions: Why men can have four wives and divorce them at will? Why there are promises of sharp breasted women in heaven to those who obey God's will? Why death is the penalty for those who are converted from islam? :confused:
Why men can have four wives and divorce them at will? That is not correct. It is allowed to have four fives, but just under special conditions. Also this is not encouraged in Islam. And be sure that according to Islam, a man CANNOT have four wives in TODAY'S WORLD. OK, you may ask why it behavior is so widespread in Islamic countries. In my opinion, all men know what Islam says, but they just seem to understand it in the other way. They know that it is not a good thing to have four wives, but in order to make themselves right, they say that this is what Islam says. BUT IT IS NOT!!! Why there are promises of sharp breasted women in heaven to those who obey God's will? Well, I think sharp breasted women is used to represent beautiful women. Beautiful woman is an award for a man. But also handsome man is an award for the woman. This is stated in Qur'an. Why death is the penalty for those who are converted from islam? Well, I dont know the reason for this. But it is not important for me. I am a muslim because I believe in GOD and I believe in the prophet MUHAMMED MUSTAFA (SAV). I completely understand what Islam says basicly. The rest is not as important as this. Because once I believe in GOD and in MUHAMMED (SAV), I just obey the rules. Sure, if you understand God's reasons is easier to comply, but you have to obey. Kind regards Mustafa Demirhan http://www.macroangel.com Sonork ID 100.9935:zoltrix
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Dan Bennett wrote: I read it, I absorbed it and I don't agree with it. Sorry. But from what you are saying, you do, you just worded it wrong. At least it seems you do. Dan Bennett wrote: The reality is that in many of the more extreme Islamic coutries, women have fewer rights than men. This is often justified on religeous grounds when it seems to me to be little more than sexism. One of the points made was that Islam does not impose these rules, but people use Islam to justify themselves imposing them. (I hope that reads right). I could use Islam to justify anything I wanted, in fact, I could use Sikhism to justify murdering my neighbour, if I just twisted round a few of their base principles. You tried to say that Islam itself imposed the rules you disagreed with (by stating "Muslims" which implies anybody with a faith inline with Islam, rather than "extreme Muslims" or even "some Muslims"), and that is not true, and that is what my initial reply was addressing. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
Well all religion (spelt correctly at last) is down to human interpretation - that's the problem. If the text from www.whyislam.org is a fair reflection of Islamic teaching (maybe it isn't) then I do think it is sexist. If not then it is just the article that I disagree with. Another example, the old, "she was asking for it argument": "Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation." This is just plain wrong. Any man who feels the need to sexually assault a woman because of what she is wearing, is the one who should have their freedom restricted. The text is full of this sort of absurd argument. It reminded me of the Christian fundamentalist arguments against evolution that have been posted here - but that's a thread that's been done to death already. Frankly, I find all religions absurd in equal measure.