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  • P Peter Reiter

    "There are 10 kinds of people when it comes to binary. Those who understand it, and those who don't." i guess most of you know this quote and i hope most of you understand it but i've got a question why isn't it "There is 1 kind of people ... "? 0 is in the geek world a value and has meaning and does not mean nothing, like in the real world (:-D)

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    Ben Bryant
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    your question suggests you belong to "those who don't". I think you are mixed up about how a binary digit can have two values, 0 and 1, but in this joke 10 is not being used as a list of these two digits, it is the binary representation of the number 2.

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      your question suggests you belong to "those who don't". I think you are mixed up about how a binary digit can have two values, 0 and 1, but in this joke 10 is not being used as a list of these two digits, it is the binary representation of the number 2.

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      Ben Bryant wrote: your question suggests you belong to "those who don't". I think you are mixed up about how a binary digit can have two values, 0 and 1, but in this joke 10 is not being used as a list of these two digits, it is the binary representation of the number 2. i know that 10 represents 2, since my dad made jokes about when i was about 8 (whats 1+1? - 2? - no, 10, hehe) but i just thought this could be possible ...

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      • P Peter Reiter

        "There are 10 kinds of people when it comes to binary. Those who understand it, and those who don't." i guess most of you know this quote and i hope most of you understand it but i've got a question why isn't it "There is 1 kind of people ... "? 0 is in the geek world a value and has meaning and does not mean nothing, like in the real world (:-D)

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        Jorgen Sigvardsson
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        Peter Reiter wrote: why isn't it "There is 1 kind of people ... "? Because most people don't redefine the set of natural numbers ;) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter

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        • P Peter Reiter

          Ben Bryant wrote: your question suggests you belong to "those who don't". I think you are mixed up about how a binary digit can have two values, 0 and 1, but in this joke 10 is not being used as a list of these two digits, it is the binary representation of the number 2. i know that 10 represents 2, since my dad made jokes about when i was about 8 (whats 1+1? - 2? - no, 10, hehe) but i just thought this could be possible ...

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          Ben Bryant
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          So you've had it ingrained ever since your dad teased you! I just rediscovered this joke from a posting on the lounge recently and laughed out loud. Well, okay, still there is a disconnect here. You seem to be suggesting that 0 has a meaning for people who understand binary as opposed to people who don't. For computer geeks, zero is "off" and one is "on". Both are states of the same switch, so in a sense there are two "things" going on here. Right? But you still can't say "There is 1 type of person who understands binary..." because 1, even in binary, represents a numerical concept of 1 thing, it does not in any way represent the duality of a bit since it is only one of the two values that a bit can hold. Am I missing your point?

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            So you've had it ingrained ever since your dad teased you! I just rediscovered this joke from a posting on the lounge recently and laughed out loud. Well, okay, still there is a disconnect here. You seem to be suggesting that 0 has a meaning for people who understand binary as opposed to people who don't. For computer geeks, zero is "off" and one is "on". Both are states of the same switch, so in a sense there are two "things" going on here. Right? But you still can't say "There is 1 type of person who understands binary..." because 1, even in binary, represents a numerical concept of 1 thing, it does not in any way represent the duality of a bit since it is only one of the two values that a bit can hold. Am I missing your point?

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            Ben Bryant wrote: So you've had it ingrained ever since your dad teased you! I just rediscovered this joke from a posting on the lounge recently and laughed out loud. Well, okay, still there is a disconnect here. You seem to be suggesting that 0 has a meaning for people who understand binary as opposed to people who don't. For computer geeks, zero is "off" and one is "on". Both are states of the same switch, so in a sense there are two "things" going on here. Right? But you still can't say "There is 1 type of person who understands binary..." because 1, even in binary, represents a numerical concept of 1 thing, it does not in any way represent the duality of a bit since it is only one of the two values that a bit can hold. Am I missing your point? That was exactly what i thought, your posting made it also more clearly why 10 is written, thanks

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            • P Peter Reiter

              "There are 10 kinds of people when it comes to binary. Those who understand it, and those who don't." i guess most of you know this quote and i hope most of you understand it but i've got a question why isn't it "There is 1 kind of people ... "? 0 is in the geek world a value and has meaning and does not mean nothing, like in the real world (:-D)

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              Hmm. So I could make a composite quote by combining two well-known ones: There are 11 kinds of people: those who can count in binary, and those who can't. "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin

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              • P Peter Reiter

                "There are 10 kinds of people when it comes to binary. Those who understand it, and those who don't." i guess most of you know this quote and i hope most of you understand it but i've got a question why isn't it "There is 1 kind of people ... "? 0 is in the geek world a value and has meaning and does not mean nothing, like in the real world (:-D)

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                palbano
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                Ok this thread is just crazy. First you have the quote wrong. Go find it and read it carefully it's just fine the way it is. Second, please don't write requirements documents for any project i might work on.

                "No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai

                -pete

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                • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                  Peter Reiter wrote: why isn't it "There is 1 kind of people ... "? Because most people don't redefine the set of natural numbers ;) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter

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                  now you are killing me :laugh::laugh::laugh:

                  "No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai

                  -pete

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                  • P Peter Reiter

                    "There are 10 kinds of people when it comes to binary. Those who understand it, and those who don't." i guess most of you know this quote and i hope most of you understand it but i've got a question why isn't it "There is 1 kind of people ... "? 0 is in the geek world a value and has meaning and does not mean nothing, like in the real world (:-D)

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                    Why does everybody forget about the people who understand Gray Codes?


                    Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

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                    • P Peter Reiter

                      "There are 10 kinds of people when it comes to binary. Those who understand it, and those who don't." i guess most of you know this quote and i hope most of you understand it but i've got a question why isn't it "There is 1 kind of people ... "? 0 is in the geek world a value and has meaning and does not mean nothing, like in the real world (:-D)

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                      Andy Brummer
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                      I guess you are about .1 right.


                      I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon

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                        Hmm. So I could make a composite quote by combining two well-known ones: There are 11 kinds of people: those who can count in binary, and those who can't. "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin

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                        Navin wrote: There are 11 kinds of people: those who can count in binary, and those who can't. It's a good start, but i think the joke is missing something still. Regardz Colin J Davies

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                        • I Ian Darling

                          Why does everybody forget about the people who understand Gray Codes?


                          Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

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                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                          What codes? :) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter

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                            I guess you are about .1 right.


                            I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon

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                            Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                            .1" ? :rolleyes: -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter

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                              What codes? :) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter

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                              It's a binary encoding that progresses by only changing one bit at a time, hence: 000 001 011 **010** 110 111 101 100 etc So 010 in Gray code is equivalent to three, rather than two. See? :-D


                              Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

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                              • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                                .1" ? :rolleyes: -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter

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                                Andy Brummer
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                                It's a binary fraction. .1 = 1/2 .11 = 3/4 .01 = 1/4 etc. Almost all US construction workers use binary without even realizing it. That's why it's better then the metric system. ;P


                                I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon

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