How would you decide?
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Really ? For an *externally released* product you'd recommend using a beta compiler with no tangible release date ? Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Ummm. No. Not for anybody that wasn't a developer. But he already said that if he were gonna go with 2.0, then he would just release when 2.0 releases.
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1. Outsource the product to India - let them decide how to write it. 2. Return to school and get a degree in accounting or something else that isn't being outsourced. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
Tom Archer wrote: 1. Outsource the product to India - let them decide how to write it. It would take me so long to write requirements documents good enough to develop from that I'd be better off writing it myself. I've had some experience with outsourcing projects that were not painstakingly defined. Tom Archer wrote: 2. Return to school and get a degree in accounting or something else that isn't being outsourced. Auto mechanics. Someone's got to work on the Executives and Lawyers cars. It will never pay to ship them overseas... Most any white caller work it's just a matter of time.
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Feeling a bit bitter, Tom ? Actually, it's not just India. I tend to get a fair bit of work out of the USA. :-) Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Yeah, we should be able to get honary Indian passports. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
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Ummm. No. Not for anybody that wasn't a developer. But he already said that if he were gonna go with 2.0, then he would just release when 2.0 releases.
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David Stone wrote: But he already said that if he were gonna go with 2.0, then he would just release when 2.0 releases. I suspect he's assuming a release date that's in line with when his product would go live - I can't imagine any product with a release date as slippery as .Net 2.0 seems to be ( i.e. I can't imagine a customer accepting a slipping release date based on Microsoft not releasing the compiler ). Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Tom Archer wrote: 1. Outsource the product to India - let them decide how to write it. It would take me so long to write requirements documents good enough to develop from that I'd be better off writing it myself. I've had some experience with outsourcing projects that were not painstakingly defined. Tom Archer wrote: 2. Return to school and get a degree in accounting or something else that isn't being outsourced. Auto mechanics. Someone's got to work on the Executives and Lawyers cars. It will never pay to ship them overseas... Most any white caller work it's just a matter of time.
Mark Tutt wrote: Most any white caller work it's just a matter of time. LOL - it took me a minute to work out that you meant 'white collar' :-) Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Feeling a bit bitter, Tom ? Actually, it's not just India. I tend to get a fair bit of work out of the USA. :-) Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
I was being facetious with all the anti-outsourcing threads being posted lately. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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Mark Tutt wrote: My only real worry with C# & .NET is performance. My understanding is that performance is only an issue for the first time that any piece of code is executed ? Mark Tutt wrote: It's the ASP.NET problem. You can only have one version associated, and their stuff doesn't appear to be compatible with 1.1. Oh, OK. That's fair enough. They can't/won't fix it ? Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: Mark Tutt wrote: My only real worry with C# & .NET is performance. My understanding is that performance is only an issue for the first time that any piece of code is executed ? Yes, I have to play around with the pre-compilation options, I haven't tried that yet... Christian Graus wrote: Mark Tutt wrote: It's the ASP.NET problem. You can only have one version associated, and their stuff doesn't appear to be compatible with 1.1. Oh, OK. That's fair enough. They can't/won't fix it ? Nope. They're not very nice about playing well with other applications on their servers (never mind that it's the customer's machine). They also check the version numbers of various DLL's and refuse to run if a version other than what they're validated with is installed.
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Tom Archer wrote: 1. Outsource the product to India - let them decide how to write it. It would take me so long to write requirements documents good enough to develop from that I'd be better off writing it myself. I've had some experience with outsourcing projects that were not painstakingly defined. Tom Archer wrote: 2. Return to school and get a degree in accounting or something else that isn't being outsourced. Auto mechanics. Someone's got to work on the Executives and Lawyers cars. It will never pay to ship them overseas... Most any white caller work it's just a matter of time.
I'm going into landscaping myself ;) Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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Mark Tutt wrote: Most any white caller work it's just a matter of time. LOL - it took me a minute to work out that you meant 'white collar' :-) Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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LOL - sounds brilliant. Be quick, the way google are going, they might beat you to it... Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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I was being facetious with all the anti-outsourcing threads being posted lately. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
OK - I thought maybe you'd had a bad experience of late. So, while I have your ear, when can I order Inside C# 2.0 ? :-) Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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OK - I thought maybe you'd had a bad experience of late. So, while I have your ear, when can I order Inside C# 2.0 ? :-) Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
when can I order Inside C# 2.0 ? So I'm not the only one dying to get my hands on a copy. :-D C'mon Tom... :)
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OK - I thought maybe you'd had a bad experience of late. So, while I have your ear, when can I order Inside C# 2.0 ? :-) Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: OK - I thought maybe you'd had a bad experience of late. No. I'm unhappy for the reasons I mentioned, but luckily I'm in a position where due to my book/article writing I tend to have people asking me about my availability instead of me having to look for work. Christian Graus wrote: when can I order Inside C# 2.0 ? Sorry guys. But it's looking like MS Press doesn't want to update the book. I'm getting zero feedback from them after they approached me last December about revising the book. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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when can I order Inside C# 2.0 ? So I'm not the only one dying to get my hands on a copy. :-D C'mon Tom... :)
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I wish I could write the update to Inside C# too, David. (I really hate the fact that the last edition has so many typos due to a lousy editing job) However, as I mentioned to Christian, looking like MS Press doesn't want to update the book as I'm getting zero feedback from them after they approached me last December about revising the book. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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I wish I could write the update to Inside C# too, David. (I really hate the fact that the last edition has so many typos due to a lousy editing job) However, as I mentioned to Christian, looking like MS Press doesn't want to update the book as I'm getting zero feedback from them after they approached me last December about revising the book. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
looking like MS Press doesn't want to update the book as I'm getting zero feedback from them after they approached me last December about revising the book. So tell them you have a ton of fans who want you to rewrite the book. I'm sure we could get a pretty large petition going to get a new version in the works. :) Have you thought about maybe going with someone other than MSPress? Addison Wesley has a nice .NET line...and you'd be listed along side authors like Fritz Onion, Don Box and Chris Sells. How cool would that be? :)
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Christian Graus wrote: OK - I thought maybe you'd had a bad experience of late. No. I'm unhappy for the reasons I mentioned, but luckily I'm in a position where due to my book/article writing I tend to have people asking me about my availability instead of me having to look for work. Christian Graus wrote: when can I order Inside C# 2.0 ? Sorry guys. But it's looking like MS Press doesn't want to update the book. I'm getting zero feedback from them after they approached me last December about revising the book. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
Tom Archer wrote: but luckily I'm in a position where due to my book/article writing I tend to have people asking me about my availability instead of me having to look for work. Yes, I've never applied or advertised for contract work, it all comes to me via family connections or ( more prominently ) my CP articles. Tom Archer wrote: But it's looking like MS Press doesn't want to update the book. Really ? How is that possible ? Are you unable to write it through someone else if Microsoft knock it back ? Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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I'm going into landscaping myself ;) Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
Must have got that new house..... Richard Who now knows what to plant where but not how ? "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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looking like MS Press doesn't want to update the book as I'm getting zero feedback from them after they approached me last December about revising the book. So tell them you have a ton of fans who want you to rewrite the book. I'm sure we could get a pretty large petition going to get a new version in the works. :) Have you thought about maybe going with someone other than MSPress? Addison Wesley has a nice .NET line...and you'd be listed along side authors like Fritz Onion, Don Box and Chris Sells. How cool would that be? :)
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Fritz Onion wrote one of my favourite ASP.NET books, but who is he ? I've never heard of him. I agree though, some of my best .NET books are the Addison Wesley ones. Same with my C++ books. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Must have got that new house..... Richard Who now knows what to plant where but not how ? "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Yep. Funny how you can appreciate the lawn a bit more when it's your house :) Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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Fritz Onion wrote one of my favourite ASP.NET books, but who is he ? I've never heard of him. I agree though, some of my best .NET books are the Addison Wesley ones. Same with my C++ books. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
An ASP.NET guru. ;) His blog is here: http://pluralsight.com/blogs/fritz/default.aspx
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