The effects of EU propaganda
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Of course. If, for example, people living in Germany have 99% similar views of some issue it couldn't possible be the effect of propaganda. Which propaganda? For example the propaganda documented article by article for months and years (there's an archive on the right!) here http://medienkritik.typepad.com/[^] Sorry for being a traitor but I can't pretend this is normal. Germans and people living in Germany (and other states) never 99% agree on issues. This is not normal. Something influenced them strongly. This http://medienkritik.typepad.com/[^] influenced them. 50 years ago we called this propaganda. Now some prefer calling it "an art", "intellectual journalism", etc. But it is still built on the same principles that another European, dr. Joseph Goebbels set forward a long time ago. Tomaz
Oh, I see, you're running out of arguments. The moment people don't know what to answer, is often the moment they change the topic to "Nazi Germany".
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Just spotted the article on Slovenian newspaper Finance where they interviewed Americans living in Slovenia who they'll vote fore. All except one voted for Kerry, the one for Badnarick. http://www.finance-on.net/show.php?id=102695[^] Such are the effects of brainwashing and propaganda in Europe (but that does not exist in Europe, of course!) I would really like to see how other Americans living in Europe will vote. Now if there's no propaganda I would expect them to divide pretty much as people living in America. But something tells me this won't be the case - and the lefties will have another excuse and explanation for this fact. Tomaz
It's not propaganda, it's we threatened each of them to be put into "enemy combattants aggregation centres" if Bush gets reelected. :mad: really, where are you living. Maybe someone living in Europe has other influences than someone stuck in a midwest trailer farm. Or maybe, just maybe, they are less influenced by the Shrub's propaganda? Oh wait, this can't be. Only commies use propaganda. The Shrub couldn't even spell this nasty word.
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No man! It's on the internet - It MUST be true. ;P
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What must be true? The blog is merely providing translated copies of mainstream German newspapers. Tomaz
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Of course. If, for example, people living in Germany have 99% similar views of some issue it couldn't possible be the effect of propaganda. Which propaganda? For example the propaganda documented article by article for months and years (there's an archive on the right!) here http://medienkritik.typepad.com/[^] Sorry for being a traitor but I can't pretend this is normal. Germans and people living in Germany (and other states) never 99% agree on issues. This is not normal. Something influenced them strongly. This http://medienkritik.typepad.com/[^] influenced them. 50 years ago we called this propaganda. Now some prefer calling it "an art", "intellectual journalism", etc. But it is still built on the same principles that another European, dr. Joseph Goebbels set forward a long time ago. Tomaz
Maybe Mr Bush influenced us?
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Oh, I see, you're running out of arguments. The moment people don't know what to answer, is often the moment they change the topic to "Nazi Germany".
Actually I'm just naming something for what it is. Propaganda. And I would not bother doing it if in Europe we would have balance of news sources like in the US. They have newspapers and TV stations that do propaganda. But they have TWO SIDES. Then the reader would have a choice. In Europe, however, he has no choice. It is ONE SIDED. Without letting the other side to speak. Our news are one huge Michael Moore movies. And the very predictable and logical result is that great majority of people think in exactly the same ways. Tomaz
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Maybe Mr Bush influenced us?
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenPerhaps indirectly as a projection of what Bush is supposed to be (and with only one side being able to speak)? Tomaz
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What must be true? The blog is merely providing translated copies of mainstream German newspapers. Tomaz
Imagine a newspaper system that publishes news from both sides. For every pro-Bush article, one anti-Bush article is published. Now, imagine a blogger who sorts the newspaper articles. He tries to translate the anti-Bush articles, and throws away all other articles. Would his blog be much different from the one you linked here? Conclusion: One blog says NOTHING. It can be stupid propaganda against specific papers.
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It's not propaganda, it's we threatened each of them to be put into "enemy combattants aggregation centres" if Bush gets reelected. :mad: really, where are you living. Maybe someone living in Europe has other influences than someone stuck in a midwest trailer farm. Or maybe, just maybe, they are less influenced by the Shrub's propaganda? Oh wait, this can't be. Only commies use propaganda. The Shrub couldn't even spell this nasty word.
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenThe main difference is that our reporting is SINGLE SIDED. We keep monologues, we talk about US without Americans, we criticize Reps without giving them opportunity to tell their story. And reporting across the Atlantic is balanced. In US you have Democratic and Republican newspapers. For example you know what to expect, when something is written in NYT. And that allows competition of ideas which is lacking in Europe. Our reporting is completely single sided and in addition it is radical. "Michael Moore" radical. And since public opinion commonly mirrors media coverage you can guess who is influenced by propaganda and who has more balanced reporting. Seek for diversity of opinions as an indicator. Tomaz
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Just spotted the article on Slovenian newspaper Finance where they interviewed Americans living in Slovenia who they'll vote fore. All except one voted for Kerry, the one for Badnarick. http://www.finance-on.net/show.php?id=102695[^] Such are the effects of brainwashing and propaganda in Europe (but that does not exist in Europe, of course!) I would really like to see how other Americans living in Europe will vote. Now if there's no propaganda I would expect them to divide pretty much as people living in America. But something tells me this won't be the case - and the lefties will have another excuse and explanation for this fact. Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: Such are the effects of brainwashing and propaganda in Europe (but that does not exist in Europe, of course!) Oh my god!, you're right, surely the voters didn't have a mind of their own, they must have been brainwashed by the evil leftists secretly ruling Europe. I suggest we concentrate them in camps, where they can be guided to the correct kind of thinking, after a couple of years in a quiet cell in Siberia or Guantanamo, they may have had time to consider what's best for them and their glorious country. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Let it out Zdeslav - it's good for you. Tomaz
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Just spotted the article on Slovenian newspaper Finance where they interviewed Americans living in Slovenia who they'll vote fore. All except one voted for Kerry, the one for Badnarick. http://www.finance-on.net/show.php?id=102695[^] Such are the effects of brainwashing and propaganda in Europe (but that does not exist in Europe, of course!) I would really like to see how other Americans living in Europe will vote. Now if there's no propaganda I would expect them to divide pretty much as people living in America. But something tells me this won't be the case - and the lefties will have another excuse and explanation for this fact. Tomaz
Man, I am getting bored of your Republican propaganda! You fail to appreciate that there are people in the EU that actually ... shock! horror! DISAGREE WITH YOU! :rolleyes: How dare they not toe the GOP line! BTW, have you got your Green Card yet? :laugh:
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Tomaž Štih wrote: Such are the effects of brainwashing and propaganda in Europe (but that does not exist in Europe, of course!) Oh my god!, you're right, surely the voters didn't have a mind of their own, they must have been brainwashed by the evil leftists secretly ruling Europe. I suggest we concentrate them in camps, where they can be guided to the correct kind of thinking, after a couple of years in a quiet cell in Siberia or Guantanamo, they may have had time to consider what's best for them and their glorious country. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
No, actually, you don't have to place people to Siberia for this. It is enough to provide one single point of view and keep on repeating it. If you do it in mainstream media then you will be successfull. Not everyone will fall for it, but you can always call those that do not "extremists" and one should "look what the majority of the people think" and not invite them to shows and refuse their articles. I've seen this happen in Serbia in the nineties. Propaganda in Europe is luckily not this far yet. But it is still too far for my taste. Tomaz
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Actually I'm just naming something for what it is. Propaganda. And I would not bother doing it if in Europe we would have balance of news sources like in the US. They have newspapers and TV stations that do propaganda. But they have TWO SIDES. Then the reader would have a choice. In Europe, however, he has no choice. It is ONE SIDED. Without letting the other side to speak. Our news are one huge Michael Moore movies. And the very predictable and logical result is that great majority of people think in exactly the same ways. Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: And I would not bother doing it if in Europe we would have balance of news sources like in the US. You're joking right? I've never been in Switzerland so I can't really argue on the news situation there, but I can assure you that the papers and the TV news are quite balanced here. Tomaž Štih wrote: But they have TWO SIDES. Ah, that must be black and white, honestly I prefer my news a bit more nuanced. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Imagine a newspaper system that publishes news from both sides. For every pro-Bush article, one anti-Bush article is published. Now, imagine a blogger who sorts the newspaper articles. He tries to translate the anti-Bush articles, and throws away all other articles. Would his blog be much different from the one you linked here? Conclusion: One blog says NOTHING. It can be stupid propaganda against specific papers.
I can see your point and therefore I challenge you to stand behind it. For every positive article about G.W.Bush that you can find in a German newspaper, I will post you three negative articles (so you have 1:3 advantage). We'll do it until one of us runs out of material. And I guarantee I'll win, because though your point is theoretically correct in practice there are almost none pro-republican articles around in Europe. Perhaps in Britain. Tomaz
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Man, I am getting bored of your Republican propaganda! You fail to appreciate that there are people in the EU that actually ... shock! horror! DISAGREE WITH YOU! :rolleyes: How dare they not toe the GOP line! BTW, have you got your Green Card yet? :laugh:
Man, I am getting bored of your Republican propaganda! You fail to appreciate that there are people in the EU that actually ... shock! horror! DISAGREE WITH YOU! They wildly and bravely fight against introducin censorship, banning gays, cutting the trees, and reducing social support for blind lepper minority group. Now all they need is an enemy that actually wants to do this... BTW, have you got your Green Card yet? I just received my Europeanship and I'm already being deported. :-D Tomaz
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I can see your point and therefore I challenge you to stand behind it. For every positive article about G.W.Bush that you can find in a German newspaper, I will post you three negative articles (so you have 1:3 advantage). We'll do it until one of us runs out of material. And I guarantee I'll win, because though your point is theoretically correct in practice there are almost none pro-republican articles around in Europe. Perhaps in Britain. Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: For every positive article about G.W.Bush that you can find in a German newspaper That's not fair, why should the newspapers run a positive article on the Bush these days? The rapidly decreasing value of the US dollar maybe? So, why don't you find some articles from the US press in favor of the Bush, and then explain why the German press should have published them too. And before you waste your time: "He got rid of Saddam", is not news, it should be something from the past couple of months. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Man, I am getting bored of your Republican propaganda! You fail to appreciate that there are people in the EU that actually ... shock! horror! DISAGREE WITH YOU! They wildly and bravely fight against introducin censorship, banning gays, cutting the trees, and reducing social support for blind lepper minority group. Now all they need is an enemy that actually wants to do this... BTW, have you got your Green Card yet? I just received my Europeanship and I'm already being deported. :-D Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: Now all they need is an enemy that actually wants to do this... banning gays: Buttiglione and all his friends in the various European religious parties. Tomaž Štih wrote: cutting the trees, and reducing social support for blind lepper minority group. Que?... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Tomaž Štih wrote: For every positive article about G.W.Bush that you can find in a German newspaper That's not fair, why should the newspapers run a positive article on the Bush these days? The rapidly decreasing value of the US dollar maybe? So, why don't you find some articles from the US press in favor of the Bush, and then explain why the German press should have published them too. And before you waste your time: "He got rid of Saddam", is not news, it should be something from the past couple of months. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
The rapidly decreasing value of the US dollar maybe? Now, this is exactly how newspapers would report this in Europe. As a negative news. Here are issues they would not report: - explaining why they think this is bad? - explain how many years US gov. is issuing bonds and explain that this is not something Bush did himself, - explain that Chinese are keeping the dollar high so that they can export to the States - explain why European Central Bank will intervene to prevent dollar from falling too deep - explain who brought us Europeans to this situation - twas not the Amis and twas definitely not Bush. So in no time you'll have parrots mantring "Bush caused fall of dollar." as somethng negative without understanding any single consequence and interest involved. Tomaz
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The rapidly decreasing value of the US dollar maybe? Now, this is exactly how newspapers would report this in Europe. As a negative news. Here are issues they would not report: - explaining why they think this is bad? - explain how many years US gov. is issuing bonds and explain that this is not something Bush did himself, - explain that Chinese are keeping the dollar high so that they can export to the States - explain why European Central Bank will intervene to prevent dollar from falling too deep - explain who brought us Europeans to this situation - twas not the Amis and twas definitely not Bush. So in no time you'll have parrots mantring "Bush caused fall of dollar." as somethng negative without understanding any single consequence and interest involved. Tomaz
Actually, I haven't read any papers or seen any news that pointed fingers at Bush for this, it was just an example of actual news. Now, what about those Bush positive articles?... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus