Don Box @ MSFT
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He *was* wearing shorts, right? :omg: ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group, there was less competition there" - Gandhi
Actually he was wearing (Don) Boxers
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Well, how much C++ stuff have you heard from lipman since he was sucked into the MS void? Not a freakin word. The only publicly acknowledged thing he's said was something about how .NET was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Box is gonna be coerced and brainwashed the same way. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: about how .NET was the greatest thing since sliced bread That's what he is being paid for huh? And I guess he's doing his job. And we were all a bunch of fools in thinking he was gonna rescue C++ from the dangerous swamps of .NET Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Well, how much C++ stuff have you heard from lipman since he was sucked into the MS void? Not a freakin word. The only publicly acknowledged thing he's said was something about how .NET was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Box is gonna be coerced and brainwashed the same way. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Uwe Keim wrote: I think it's the same as with the C++ guy who co-worked with Stroustrup they aquired some months ago: You mean Stanly Lippman? - our new VC++ captain. Uwe Keim wrote: They "buy" them to show the people that they care about the current technology (COM, C++), just in order to burry these guys in their cellar and then pushing their new technology (.NET, C#). Exactly what I was thinking. // Fazlul
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: You mean Stanly Lippman? - our new VC++ captain :-) Is that what he is know as nowadays? VC++ Captain!!! Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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LOL The same amount of stuff I heard from him before he went to MS. NONE! To be perfectly honest, Don Box hasn't exactly been floating my boat for the last few years anyway. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
What I am scared of is that Chris will put up a question board and then interview this character with these questions. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Michael P Butler wrote: So for his final session he did as he was asked and wore only a Microsoft Shirt. I would have loved to have been there to see the marketting guy's face when Don walked onto the stage! ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group, there was less competition there" - Gandhi
David Wulff wrote: I would have loved to have been there to see the marketting guy's face when Don walked onto the stage If he was a typical Microsoft Brat he'd prolly have taken off his trousers too just to give the impression that the whole thing was planned well in advance and was all part of the show. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Don is a very clever bloke and Microsoft like to hire the best. Not sure he'd fit in at MS as he likes to do things his own way. (Hence his trouserless lecture at Tech Ed 2000 in Amsterdam) Michael :-)
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Michael P Butler wrote: So for his final session he did as he was asked and wore only a Microsoft Shirt. I would have loved to have been there to see the marketting guy's face when Don walked onto the stage! ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group, there was less competition there" - Gandhi
Nobody knew. He stood behind a podium for the entire session and then came out from behind it at the end. His COM dance in one of his previous sessions was the coolest thing at the conference. Michael :-)
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That's just disturbing. Jon Sagara What about :bob:? "Teve Torbes, I've only got one thing to say to you: Tuck Off!" -- Dob Bole
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The current thread on the DOTNET list is talking about Don Box joining MS. Given that the guy is a living legend of COM what do you guys think about this? James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "Not be to confused with 'The VD Project'. Which would be a very bad pr0n flick. :-D" - Michael P Butler Jan. 18, 2002
I took "Essential COM" from Don's Company, Developmentor, in 1996. He taught the course. He said a couple of times that he really wished he could work at Microsoft, but that he couldn't afford the pay cut. I suspect they resolved that problem for him. Jim
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I think it's the same as with the C++ guy who co-worked with Stroustrup they aquired some months ago: They "buy" them to show the people that they care about the current technology (COM, C++), just in order to burry these guys in their cellar and then pushing their new technology (.NET, C#). -- See me: www.magerquark.de
Stanley Lippman and I'm so glad someone else can see past the haze. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001
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I live in Bob's HungOut now
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: about how .NET was the greatest thing since sliced bread That's what he is being paid for huh? And I guess he's doing his job. And we were all a bunch of fools in thinking he was gonna rescue C++ from the dangerous swamps of .NET Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: That's what he is being paid for huh? And I guess he's doing his job. No, no, no. The big fanfare was that his JOB is to make VC++ standards compliant. I said right away that they don't need him to do that, they only need him to create the illusion of finally wanting to do it. Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: And we were all a bunch of fools in thinking he was gonna rescue C++ from the dangerous swamps of .NET Not me. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001
Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOz
I live in Bob's HungOut now
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The current thread on the DOTNET list is talking about Don Box joining MS. Given that the guy is a living legend of COM what do you guys think about this? James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "Not be to confused with 'The VD Project'. Which would be a very bad pr0n flick. :-D" - Michael P Butler Jan. 18, 2002
here's the skinny. Here's a snip from Don's site: Fact: I am now an Architect at Microsoft Corporation. Fact: My first day of employment was January 7, 2002. Fact: I am part of the .NET Developer Platform team and am working on web service infrastructure. Fact: My family and I will be living in Washington state as of March 2002. Until then, I am shuttling back and forth, spending weekends in LA and 4-5 days a week in WA. Fact: I am keeping my column at MSDN magazine. Fact: I am still a series editor at Addison Wesley. Fact: I am still going to write Volume 2 of Essential .NET, but not in 2002. Fact: I will continue to hang out on the DOTNET list. Fact: I will still be on the conference circuit, but nowhere near as much as before, especially in 2002. David http://www.dundas.com
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The current thread on the DOTNET list is talking about Don Box joining MS. Given that the guy is a living legend of COM what do you guys think about this? James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "Not be to confused with 'The VD Project'. Which would be a very bad pr0n flick. :-D" - Michael P Butler Jan. 18, 2002
Too bad . . . he was an impressive independent speaker and author. This is a great loss to the developer community at large since he always spoke (and wrote) very freely and candidly. Now he will become aware of the 'truth' - the real inside story since he now participates in it; as a result, I expect him to be a lot less candid and outspoken. A lot of what COM came to be and evolved into is a result of Don's indirect input as a Microsoft outsider. Don's strength in the industry came from the fact that (besides being smart) that he could objectively influence a large number of developers to follow his lead. People (like myself) listen to him because what he says is technically sound and, more importantly, technically unbiased. I personally will be less inclined to follow Don's writings and speeches since they will now *have* to be biased towards Microsoft-centric values and solutions. If Don was biased towards Microsoft values and solutions before he joined Microsoft, it was (I suspect) a result of conscious choice, not by affiliation. I also believe this presents a great opportunity since Don's role is now vacant. Essam ___________________________________________ Author - JScript .NET Programming ...and a bunch of articles around the Web
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Well, how much C++ stuff have you heard from lipman since he was sucked into the MS void? Not a freakin word. The only publicly acknowledged thing he's said was something about how .NET was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Box is gonna be coerced and brainwashed the same way. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/02/02/ModernC/ModernC.asp
To underscore that importance, the Visual C++ team at Microsoft is
working hard on an interim release to deliver these features as soon as
possible. In terms of ISO Standard C++, the team has made exceptional
strides in compliance work. For the power programmer, this means templates,
templates, templates. Third-party libraries that heavily utilize templates,
such as Loki and Boost, now compile internally without workarounds.-- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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:confused: Is it really true that the ".Net" term is attributed to him? :confused: [Requesting a serious answer, but reasonably expecting one! :eek: ] Alice thought that running very fast for a long time would get you to somewhere else. " A very slow kind of country!" said the queen. "Now, here , you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place".
I don't know about .NET itself, but the term "boxing" has been said to be named after him. James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "Not be to confused with 'The VD Project'. Which would be a very bad pr0n flick. :-D" - Michael P Butler Jan. 18, 2002
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Hello! Here is also video (WMF format, about 5MB) with 'key parts' of his (Don's) bathtube presentation. ( http://www.dnjonline.com/TechEd2001/DonBoxBath.wmv) On his website Don promises even more spectacular show this year. He say: "I continue to speak on .NET and XML at internal and public conferences and events. In particular, I plan to top my bathtub talk at TechEd Barcelona in the summer of 2002." (see 'Plans for 2002' on http://www.donbox.com/) regards, SlavoF "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." --Confucius
