Planes
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Martin Cook wrote: B2 stealth bomber Side story: I used to work as a defense contractor at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. One of the buildings I worked in contained the B1 'SPO' (Special Program Office, I believe). Outside their wing of the building was a mural of a B1 coming in for a landing, with the unbelievable caption: "B-1: Making Freedom Affordable". Here, I always thought freedom was bought with the blood of patriots.
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delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote: B-1: Making Freedom Affordable From http://members.lycos.co.uk/aerospace21/b1-b.html[^]: "Each unit cost $200-plus million per aircraft". and AFAIK, B1 has a bad reputation :omg:
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I've got the feeling there are many aviation fanatics there. So let's talk about planes, and especially what is your favorite one? I porpose two categories, propeller and jet. Honor to whom honor is due, I begin ;P Propeller plane: Tempest Mk V[^] Jet plane: I'm hesitating between the Rafale[^] and the incredible Blackbird[^] So, what are your choices? (pictures welcome!)
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Some of my favorites, in no particular order XB-70 Valkyrie[^] B-58 Hustler[^] F-16 Fighting Falcon[^] P-51D Mustang[^] F-104 Starfighter[^] Supermarine Spitfire[^] Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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I've got the feeling there are many aviation fanatics there. So let's talk about planes, and especially what is your favorite one? I porpose two categories, propeller and jet. Honor to whom honor is due, I begin ;P Propeller plane: Tempest Mk V[^] Jet plane: I'm hesitating between the Rafale[^] and the incredible Blackbird[^] So, what are your choices? (pictures welcome!)
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One that I forgot to mention is the F111 - http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=72[^] This little jewel is unique in that it had no "official" nickname like other fighter/bomber aircraft usually had. The AF published the unofficial nickname as the "Ardvark" but I remember from Nam that the pilots nickname was "The Savior". The reason was that every time someone saw it for the first time they almost always remarked "Jesus Fu**ing Christ". Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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I've got the feeling there are many aviation fanatics there. So let's talk about planes, and especially what is your favorite one? I porpose two categories, propeller and jet. Honor to whom honor is due, I begin ;P Propeller plane: Tempest Mk V[^] Jet plane: I'm hesitating between the Rafale[^] and the incredible Blackbird[^] So, what are your choices? (pictures welcome!)
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Since I am a glider pilot since more than 10 years my favourite plane is of course the DUO DISCUS http://www.schempp-hirth.com/en/flugzeuge/duo_discus/index.html[^] Here are some impressions of me sitting in that very good plane! http://www.sfg-hohenems.com/sf_duodiskus.html[^] bb |~ bb
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I've got the feeling there are many aviation fanatics there. So let's talk about planes, and especially what is your favorite one? I porpose two categories, propeller and jet. Honor to whom honor is due, I begin ;P Propeller plane: Tempest Mk V[^] Jet plane: I'm hesitating between the Rafale[^] and the incredible Blackbird[^] So, what are your choices? (pictures welcome!)
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I've got the feeling there are many aviation fanatics there. So let's talk about planes, and especially what is your favorite one? I porpose two categories, propeller and jet. Honor to whom honor is due, I begin ;P Propeller plane: Tempest Mk V[^] Jet plane: I'm hesitating between the Rafale[^] and the incredible Blackbird[^] So, what are your choices? (pictures welcome!)
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I have always like the lines of the Spitfire probably due to growing up in Chicago and having it hang right in the entrance to the Museum of Science and Industry[^] For earlier props I will vote for the Fokker DIIV Fokker D IIV[^] Early Jets goes to the F-86[^] For newer jets the F-16[^] wins I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.
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I've got the feeling there are many aviation fanatics there. So let's talk about planes, and especially what is your favorite one? I porpose two categories, propeller and jet. Honor to whom honor is due, I begin ;P Propeller plane: Tempest Mk V[^] Jet plane: I'm hesitating between the Rafale[^] and the incredible Blackbird[^] So, what are your choices? (pictures welcome!)
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Snoopy's Sopwith Camel![^] :-D Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
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Great choice!!!!! Steve
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I've got the feeling there are many aviation fanatics there. So let's talk about planes, and especially what is your favorite one? I porpose two categories, propeller and jet. Honor to whom honor is due, I begin ;P Propeller plane: Tempest Mk V[^] Jet plane: I'm hesitating between the Rafale[^] and the incredible Blackbird[^] So, what are your choices? (pictures welcome!)
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I really favour propellor planes over jet planes, especially WWI and WWII fighter planes. Shame that Anthony Fokker died at the age of 49 in 1939, he made some impressive planes. Prop: Fokker G1[^] Prop: Vought F4U Corsair[^] Jet: A10 Thunderbold (warthog)[^] Arjan
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Since I am a glider pilot since more than 10 years my favourite plane is of course the DUO DISCUS http://www.schempp-hirth.com/en/flugzeuge/duo_discus/index.html[^] Here are some impressions of me sitting in that very good plane! http://www.sfg-hohenems.com/sf_duodiskus.html[^] bb |~ bb
Harald Krause wrote: Since I am a glider pilot since more than 10 years Waoh. Harald Krause wrote: _http://www.sfg-hohenems.com/sf\_duodiskus.html\[^\]_ I like the picture when gliding above the Alps. You lucky guy, these moments must be fantastic.
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Harald Krause wrote: Since I am a glider pilot since more than 10 years Waoh. Harald Krause wrote: _http://www.sfg-hohenems.com/sf\_duodiskus.html\[^\]_ I like the picture when gliding above the Alps. You lucky guy, these moments must be fantastic.
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Yes its a very nice hobby. I whish I had more time to enjoy it.... bb |~ bb
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Great Scott! it's the Red Baron and the entire Flying Circus![^] :-D (For the road...[^])
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I really favour propellor planes over jet planes, especially WWI and WWII fighter planes. Shame that Anthony Fokker died at the age of 49 in 1939, he made some impressive planes. Prop: Fokker G1[^] Prop: Vought F4U Corsair[^] Jet: A10 Thunderbold (warthog)[^] Arjan
van Padoea wrote: Vought F4U Corsair[^] Baa Baa Black Sheep syndrom?[^] :-D Anyway, I agree, a very, very nice plane. It's hard to decide which one is the most exciting, isn't it? :)
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van Padoea wrote: Vought F4U Corsair[^] Baa Baa Black Sheep syndrom?[^] :-D Anyway, I agree, a very, very nice plane. It's hard to decide which one is the most exciting, isn't it? :)
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K(arl) wrote: Baa Baa Black Sheep syndrom?[^] Memories, that show was on Super- or Skychannel in the mid eighties when we got cable tv :) Arjan
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I've got the feeling there are many aviation fanatics there. So let's talk about planes, and especially what is your favorite one? I porpose two categories, propeller and jet. Honor to whom honor is due, I begin ;P Propeller plane: Tempest Mk V[^] Jet plane: I'm hesitating between the Rafale[^] and the incredible Blackbird[^] So, what are your choices? (pictures welcome!)
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Jet = Thunderbird 2 http://www.geocities.com/johntracytb5/thunderbird2.html
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Gary Wheeler wrote: B-1: Making Freedom Affordable From http://members.lycos.co.uk/aerospace21/b1-b.html[^]: "Each unit cost $200-plus million per aircraft". and AFAIK, B1 has a bad reputation :omg:
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Not everybody measures cost in $$$. If it saves more lives, it can also make freedom affordable. Top 10 Geek Resulutions: 5. To decipher what that big room is, which has the blue ceiling and poor climate control.
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Not everybody measures cost in $$$. If it saves more lives, it can also make freedom affordable. Top 10 Geek Resulutions: 5. To decipher what that big room is, which has the blue ceiling and poor climate control.
Richard Jones wrote: Not everybody measures cost in $$$ No kidding :-D Richard Jones wrote: If it saves more live A bomber, made to save lives?? Riiiiight.
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Jet = Thunderbird 2 http://www.geocities.com/johntracytb5/thunderbird2.html
In no particular order: Prop - Spitfire, FW 190, Vought Corsair, P38 Lightning, Mosquito Prop - B17G Flying Fortress, Lancaster Jet - Blackbird, A10 Warthog, Buccaneer, Harrier Jump Jet, Mig25 Foxbat Best experience with Jets - The one and only Red Arrows Display Team. I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
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Richard Jones wrote: Not everybody measures cost in $$$ No kidding :-D Richard Jones wrote: If it saves more live A bomber, made to save lives?? Riiiiight.
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I'm not saying this is my philosophy: In WW2, the rationale behind dropping the bomb(s) was it would end the war faster, and save more lives (than conventional war). Many died, but not on the USA side, and it worked. My philosophy: If YOU were going up in a plane, which would you prefer: one the enemy can't see, or the 25 year old one? THAT is what I meant by saving lives. You couldn't pay me to go up in a Sea King. Give me a Cormorant or something else younger than me and ok. As a leader, it's preferable to send soldiers out in vehicles which give higher rate of survivability, balanced with available cash. Yes, it's more expensive for that new plane or tank. But it's even more expensive to TRAIN those soldiers in it. Not to mention the PR flak back home whenever someone dies. "Why weren't they properly equipped?", etc. NASA had explicit instructions in the race for the Moon. Send men to the Moon AND bring them back. Lots of spin-offs in tech came from that project, just like spin-offs happened from the Cold War arms race into civilian sectors. So the money isn't a total loss. Top 10 Geek Resulutions: 5. To decipher what that big room is, which has the blue ceiling and poor climate control.
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I'm not saying this is my philosophy: In WW2, the rationale behind dropping the bomb(s) was it would end the war faster, and save more lives (than conventional war). Many died, but not on the USA side, and it worked. My philosophy: If YOU were going up in a plane, which would you prefer: one the enemy can't see, or the 25 year old one? THAT is what I meant by saving lives. You couldn't pay me to go up in a Sea King. Give me a Cormorant or something else younger than me and ok. As a leader, it's preferable to send soldiers out in vehicles which give higher rate of survivability, balanced with available cash. Yes, it's more expensive for that new plane or tank. But it's even more expensive to TRAIN those soldiers in it. Not to mention the PR flak back home whenever someone dies. "Why weren't they properly equipped?", etc. NASA had explicit instructions in the race for the Moon. Send men to the Moon AND bring them back. Lots of spin-offs in tech came from that project, just like spin-offs happened from the Cold War arms race into civilian sectors. So the money isn't a total loss. Top 10 Geek Resulutions: 5. To decipher what that big room is, which has the blue ceiling and poor climate control.
Bombers, as any weapon, are design to kill, and if possible efficiently. If a vehicle is made to protect its crew, it is to enable the crew to kill more. I don't raise any morale issue on that, I'm just stating a fact. Richard Jones wrote: the money isn't a total loss. I didn't say that. I think that we have to prepare war to enjoy peace. Nonetheless, I also think that "Every gun that's made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed". But it's another debate :)
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