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Ohhhhhh I see - the opinions of that many scientists around the world is unimportant and not to be taken seriously because someone called Chris says a book that says "Everything Is OK" is a good read? People like you are why the world is like it is Bleh This site sucks
Calm down man. First yeah, opinions of many scientists doesn't have to be taken seriously. Only proven counts. ;P btw, someone called Chris[^]is ex-scientist, not that it matters.. Regarding your link, that article is ... hmm ... actually wow, I am impressed. Just look at references! Rollingstone. Wow, that's something like National geographic, right? Surely there are better articles on that site. You (except kid sister maybe) should visit homepage... "they could help save the planet with porn" Wow, that's cool article! fakefur wrote: This site sucks Are you Linux developer? or are you developer at all? :| David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Calm down man. First yeah, opinions of many scientists doesn't have to be taken seriously. Only proven counts. ;P btw, someone called Chris[^]is ex-scientist, not that it matters.. Regarding your link, that article is ... hmm ... actually wow, I am impressed. Just look at references! Rollingstone. Wow, that's something like National geographic, right? Surely there are better articles on that site. You (except kid sister maybe) should visit homepage... "they could help save the planet with porn" Wow, that's cool article! fakefur wrote: This site sucks Are you Linux developer? or are you developer at all? :| David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidyForgive me. You are right. This site does not suck. Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. FYI I'm a developer yes. I develop for Linux, Macs and Windows so I don't have any particular religious fundamentalism regarding platforms so please don't get started on that tired old tune. So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here.
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Forgive me. You are right. This site does not suck. Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. FYI I'm a developer yes. I develop for Linux, Macs and Windows so I don't have any particular religious fundamentalism regarding platforms so please don't get started on that tired old tune. So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here.
fakefur wrote: Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on, period. Yet, no opinion has the same weight with all people. Question the opinions you hold dear before questioning anyone else's - because they also will question yours first. fakefur wrote: So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? No. Just yours. To determine if the opinions stated in the actual book are presented well enough to out-weigh those presented in the article you linked to, one would have to first read both - hence David's recommendation. fakefur wrote: Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. Good evening, Mr. Pot. My name is Kettle. Pleased to meet you.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Forgive me. You are right. This site does not suck. Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. FYI I'm a developer yes. I develop for Linux, Macs and Windows so I don't have any particular religious fundamentalism regarding platforms so please don't get started on that tired old tune. So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here.
While I agree that we are very wasteful, it has been shown that an errupting volcano does more damage to the earth then we could do in many lifetimes. The planet is an ecosystem and with most ecosystems it will balance things out. Besides, isn't the sun going to super nova in 5 million years? I think we'll be good till then. - Drew
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Forgive me. You are right. This site does not suck. Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. FYI I'm a developer yes. I develop for Linux, Macs and Windows so I don't have any particular religious fundamentalism regarding platforms so please don't get started on that tired old tune. So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here.
fakefur wrote: please don't get started on that tired old tune. easy. I just couldn't see why somebody who develops software with Microsoft technologies would say that CP sucks... so one reason could be you are Linux zealot or what or you are not developer at all. So I was wrong, ok. fakefur wrote: So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? I'll try to answer from left to right :) It's not only about his recomendation, more about book itself. If you read carefully David's post he sad "Ha_v_ing just read Bjorn Lomborg's excellent book... ". IMHO main thing is the book (and David read it) not Chris's recomendation. I didn't read that book so I dunno. fakefur wrote: over 1000 current scientists say Where? Oh, sorry, I've found it: Presentations[^]. Downloading.... fakefur wrote: Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? True. Unless you are a mathematician :-D fakefur wrote: The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here err, like we don't care that world's coming to the end? a) it's not so true b) what can WE do? Oh my where did we come? It was all about your not-so-polite answer to Rob Grahams nice little advice that we (CP community aka followers of Bob) discuss politics, personal rants and ends of the world in soap box. If you said something like, "sorry, I am new here ok I'll post it there" we all would have nice day/night... (damn, midnight again :sigh:). David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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fakefur wrote: Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on, period. Yet, no opinion has the same weight with all people. Question the opinions you hold dear before questioning anyone else's - because they also will question yours first. fakefur wrote: So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? No. Just yours. To determine if the opinions stated in the actual book are presented well enough to out-weigh those presented in the article you linked to, one would have to first read both - hence David's recommendation. fakefur wrote: Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. Good evening, Mr. Pot. My name is Kettle. Pleased to meet you.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes absolutely you are sooo right. The world is totally OK and we don't have to change a thing about how we behave with it. In fact we should all do more and more. Lets drill in Alaska to feed the greed of American car drivers for their giant SUVs. Lets chop down the rain forests to grow cows for McDonalds to feed people with so the big drug companies can sell them drugs to keep them alive. Of course lets not help people in Africa or India with AIDS because they are too poor to make a profit from. But no you are right. Lets just sit here and play word games and prove each other semantically right or semantically wrong. Like I said before. Bleh! X|
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The oil peak is something that is certain to come. It won't be the end of the world though, just means transportation gets very expensive... the important thing is when will it come. The estimate varies widely depending on the souce. The EIA is the most optimistic and estimates 2037, while in that artical it says it comes in the next few years. Most reports are exagerated one way or the other, according to political interests. The EIA don't want investors to panic, so they give a rosy outlook, while the enviromentalists want people to start conserving.
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fakefur wrote: Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on, period. Yet, no opinion has the same weight with all people. Question the opinions you hold dear before questioning anyone else's - because they also will question yours first. fakefur wrote: So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? No. Just yours. To determine if the opinions stated in the actual book are presented well enough to out-weigh those presented in the article you linked to, one would have to first read both - hence David's recommendation. fakefur wrote: Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. Good evening, Mr. Pot. My name is Kettle. Pleased to meet you.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Shog9 wrote: Good evening, Mr. Pot. My name is Kettle. Pleased to meet you. Who is Mr. Pot/Kettle? :-D sorry for OT, but is it some common saying or something? David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes absolutely you are sooo right. The world is totally OK and we don't have to change a thing about how we behave with it. In fact we should all do more and more. Lets drill in Alaska to feed the greed of American car drivers for their giant SUVs. Lets chop down the rain forests to grow cows for McDonalds to feed people with so the big drug companies can sell them drugs to keep them alive. Of course lets not help people in Africa or India with AIDS because they are too poor to make a profit from. But no you are right. Lets just sit here and play word games and prove each other semantically right or semantically wrong. Like I said before. Bleh! X|
fakefur wrote: Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes absolutely you are sooo right. The world is totally OK and we don't have to change a thing about how we behave with it. In fact we should all do more and more. Lets drill in Alaska to feed the greed of American car drivers for their giant SUVs. Lets chop down the rain forests to grow cows for McDonalds to feed people with so the big drug companies can sell them drugs to keep them alive. Of course lets not help people in Africa or India with AIDS because they are too poor to make a profit from. You aren't actually reading my replies, are you? You're just greping them for keywords, right? fakefur wrote: But no you are right. Lets just sit here and play word games and prove each other semantically right or semantically wrong. No, that would be a pointless waste of time. Similar to how trying to win people over to your point of view by throwing insults at them is a pointless waste of time. There's a name for people who start discussions with no intention of actually presenting a coherent argument, but every intention of spewing vitriol at those who do not immediately bend to their (indecipherable) point of view....
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Shog9 wrote: Good evening, Mr. Pot. My name is Kettle. Pleased to meet you. Who is Mr. Pot/Kettle? :-D sorry for OT, but is it some common saying or something? David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidyThe common saying is: the pot calling the kettle black, which refers to a person who criticizes faults in others that he also has.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Shog9 wrote: Good evening, Mr. Pot. My name is Kettle. Pleased to meet you. Who is Mr. Pot/Kettle? :-D sorry for OT, but is it some common saying or something? David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidydnh wrote: Who is Mr. Pot/Kettle? :-D sorry for OT, but is it some common saying or something? It is an old saying, "That's like the pot calling the kettle black". Old style cooking pots and kettles (used to boil water for tea/coffee/etc) that hung over fires were black. The saying can be used (I know this but am finding it so hard to explain now) when someone is argueing a point. They claim something of the other person (like they're a bigot) while they themselves have the same or a different bigotry. They are calling the other person something that they also are. So the saying about the pot calling the kettle black. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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The common saying is: the pot calling the kettle black, which refers to a person who criticizes faults in others that he also has.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Ah, I see. Thanks. David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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dnh wrote: Who is Mr. Pot/Kettle? :-D sorry for OT, but is it some common saying or something? It is an old saying, "That's like the pot calling the kettle black". Old style cooking pots and kettles (used to boil water for tea/coffee/etc) that hung over fires were black. The saying can be used (I know this but am finding it so hard to explain now) when someone is argueing a point. They claim something of the other person (like they're a bigot) while they themselves have the same or a different bigotry. They are calling the other person something that they also are. So the saying about the pot calling the kettle black. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Thank you for explanation! David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Ohhhhhh I see - the opinions of that many scientists around the world is unimportant and not to be taken seriously because someone called Chris says a book that says "Everything Is OK" is a good read? People like you are why the world is like it is Bleh This site sucks
It's called having a balanced opinion, and if you do some research you will find that many other scientists say the claims of the doomsayers are wrong, misreported or based on faulty research. If we had one body of scientists who were always right then the world would be a simpler place. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes absolutely you are sooo right. The world is totally OK and we don't have to change a thing about how we behave with it. In fact we should all do more and more. Lets drill in Alaska to feed the greed of American car drivers for their giant SUVs. Lets chop down the rain forests to grow cows for McDonalds to feed people with so the big drug companies can sell them drugs to keep them alive. Of course lets not help people in Africa or India with AIDS because they are too poor to make a profit from. But no you are right. Lets just sit here and play word games and prove each other semantically right or semantically wrong. Like I said before. Bleh! X|
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Forgive me. You are right. This site does not suck. Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. FYI I'm a developer yes. I develop for Linux, Macs and Windows so I don't have any particular religious fundamentalism regarding platforms so please don't get started on that tired old tune. So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here.
fakefur wrote: So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? There are a lot of examples in history where one scientist was enough to out-weigh 1000 scientists believed. I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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It's called having a balanced opinion, and if you do some research you will find that many other scientists say the claims of the doomsayers are wrong, misreported or based on faulty research. If we had one body of scientists who were always right then the world would be a simpler place. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: If we had one body of scientists who were always right... Well I'm not a scientist.....but. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Haing just read Bjorn Lomborg's excellent book on Chris' recommendation, I say: Hogwash. http://www.lomborg.com/books.htm[^] David
I think you crashed their server, Dave. Here's the link on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521010683/theskepticale-20/002-9164680-2268855.
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes absolutely you are sooo right. The world is totally OK and we don't have to change a thing about how we behave with it. In fact we should all do more and more. Lets drill in Alaska to feed the greed of American car drivers for their giant SUVs. Lets chop down the rain forests to grow cows for McDonalds to feed people with so the big drug companies can sell them drugs to keep them alive. Of course lets not help people in Africa or India with AIDS because they are too poor to make a profit from. But no you are right. Lets just sit here and play word games and prove each other semantically right or semantically wrong. Like I said before. Bleh! X|
fakefur wrote: chop down the rain forests Where exactly are they cutting down rain forests in order to 'grow cows' for McDonalds? fakefur wrote: drill in Alaska You mean in the tundra up there where basically nothing grows? You do realize that the pictures the environmentalist show is not where the oil is don't you? The pics generally show this beautiful mountain range full of flowers! That's not where they are planning on drilling. It's actually a tundra! fakefur wrote: lets not help people in Africa or India with AIDS because they are too poor to make a profit from I'd be willing to bet you that when Clinton was in office you were perfectly happy with the amount sent to Africa or anywhere else to fight aids. Wouldn't hear you complaining at all. But now that Bush is in office you are complaining. And Bush is way outspending Clinton in battling AIDS. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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The oil peak is something that is certain to come. It won't be the end of the world though, just means transportation gets very expensive... the important thing is when will it come. The estimate varies widely depending on the souce. The EIA is the most optimistic and estimates 2037, while in that artical it says it comes in the next few years. Most reports are exagerated one way or the other, according to political interests. The EIA don't want investors to panic, so they give a rosy outlook, while the enviromentalists want people to start conserving.
One thing that isn't often mentioned is that the oil reserves start filling back up. No doubt we are using it fast than the earth produces it or at least what we have access to. But regardless, until there is economic demand for a better/different mode of transportation that is more efficient we aren't going to get it. No demand...no product! But with the trend here in the US with prices skyrocketing I'm looking forward to some innovation sooner than later! I hope anyways!! Tired of looking for a carpool! ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.