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  • R Richard Stringer

    Michal Martinka wrote: You are a eternal optimist, right? Pessimists and optomists are basically the same thing except for one minor exception: An optomist is always suprised and shocked when bad things happen. They are not prepared. A pessimist is never suprised by anything and is always prepared for the worst. Which would you rather be ? Suprised or prepared. Richard In a world of pollution, profanity, adolescence, zits, broccoli, racism, ozone depletion, sexism, stupid guys, and PMS, why the hell do people still tell me to have a nice day? --Unknown

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    Richard Stringer wrote: Which would you rather be ? Suprised or prepared. It always happens, doesn't matter what the story is, people are shocked... I just roll my eyes and get back to work. very little surprises me anymore. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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      Richard Stringer wrote: Which would you rather be ? Suprised or prepared. I'm an optimist who is always prepared for the worst. Is it an ideal? Seriously, I'm prepared for everything. But I believe that things can be always better. See Slovakia[^]

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      Michal Martinka wrote: But I believe that things can be always better. Even a pessimist knows the world "can be" always better. He just has enough realistic notion of human behavior and failure rate of complex mechanical systems to know that it won't be. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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        Richard Stringer wrote: Which would you rather be ? Suprised or prepared. I'm an optimist who is always prepared for the worst. Is it an ideal? Seriously, I'm prepared for everything. But I believe that things can be always better. See Slovakia[^]

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        Michal Martinka wrote: Seriously, I'm prepared for everything. But I believe that things can be always better Better than what. As compared to any point in recorded history we are "better" than we have been. And its getting better every day. One that is always prepared is neither a pessimist nor an optomist: he is a realist. And a realist can dream of Utopia while dealing with the world as it is. He doesn't expect that much change but it would still be nice. Richard In a world of pollution, profanity, adolescence, zits, broccoli, racism, ozone depletion, sexism, stupid guys, and PMS, why the hell do people still tell me to have a nice day? --Unknown

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          Richard Stringer wrote: Which would you rather be ? Suprised or prepared. It always happens, doesn't matter what the story is, people are shocked... I just roll my eyes and get back to work. very little surprises me anymore. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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          Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: I just roll my eyes and get back to work. very little surprises me anymore. We probabaly have the same tee shirt. You know the one that says "Shit Happens". Richard In a world of pollution, profanity, adolescence, zits, broccoli, racism, ozone depletion, sexism, stupid guys, and PMS, why the hell do people still tell me to have a nice day? --Unknown

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          • R Richard Stringer

            Michal Martinka wrote: Seriously, I'm prepared for everything. But I believe that things can be always better Better than what. As compared to any point in recorded history we are "better" than we have been. And its getting better every day. One that is always prepared is neither a pessimist nor an optomist: he is a realist. And a realist can dream of Utopia while dealing with the world as it is. He doesn't expect that much change but it would still be nice. Richard In a world of pollution, profanity, adolescence, zits, broccoli, racism, ozone depletion, sexism, stupid guys, and PMS, why the hell do people still tell me to have a nice day? --Unknown

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            well, in your definition, i'm realist. what about you?

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            • R Richard Stringer

              Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: I just roll my eyes and get back to work. very little surprises me anymore. We probabaly have the same tee shirt. You know the one that says "Shit Happens". Richard In a world of pollution, profanity, adolescence, zits, broccoli, racism, ozone depletion, sexism, stupid guys, and PMS, why the hell do people still tell me to have a nice day? --Unknown

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              El Corazon
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              Richard Stringer wrote: We probabaly have the same tee shirt. You know the one that says "Shit Happens". I opted for the paper weight and note-pad of the same. Doesn't upset VIP's when they make surprise visits that disrupt work-flow, schedules, and design features for delivery of the products they come to see. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                well, in your definition, i'm realist. what about you?

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                Michal Martinka wrote: well, in your definition, i'm realist. what about you? Damned if I know :) From Monday thru Thursday I am a pessimist. On Friday I become an optomist for a while until I see that my weekly renumeration is still not enough to move me into a higher tax bracket. Saturday and Sunday as I pay bills, fix things around the house, mow the yard, manage my pitiful little stock portfolio and wonder if I will ever be able to retire with any modicum of comfort, I am a realist. The pessimist in me tells me I am gonna die broke and sick, the optomist tells me I am gonna win the lottery, and the realist says "keep on working boy". Richard In a world of pollution, profanity, adolescence, zits, broccoli, racism, ozone depletion, sexism, stupid guys, and PMS, why the hell do people still tell me to have a nice day? --Unknown

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                • R Richard Stringer

                  Michal Martinka wrote: well, in your definition, i'm realist. what about you? Damned if I know :) From Monday thru Thursday I am a pessimist. On Friday I become an optomist for a while until I see that my weekly renumeration is still not enough to move me into a higher tax bracket. Saturday and Sunday as I pay bills, fix things around the house, mow the yard, manage my pitiful little stock portfolio and wonder if I will ever be able to retire with any modicum of comfort, I am a realist. The pessimist in me tells me I am gonna die broke and sick, the optomist tells me I am gonna win the lottery, and the realist says "keep on working boy". Richard In a world of pollution, profanity, adolescence, zits, broccoli, racism, ozone depletion, sexism, stupid guys, and PMS, why the hell do people still tell me to have a nice day? --Unknown

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                  Richard Stringer wrote: Damned if I know From Monday thru Thursday I am a pessimist. On Friday I become an optomist for a while until I see that my weekly renumeration is still not enough to move me into a higher tax bracket. Saturday and Sunday as I pay bills, fix things around the house, mow the yard, manage my pitiful little stock portfolio and wonder if I will ever be able to retire with any modicum of comfort, I am a realist. The pessimist in me tells me I am gonna die broke and sick, the optomist tells me I am gonna win the lottery, and the realist says "keep on working boy". so real, so funny :laugh: EDIT: You wrote it in funny way therefore it seems funny to me. in fact I admire this lifestyle. I mean you (Americans) are hard workers, some have more than one job, and yet some also make charity in they free time. I think this is what makes America great.

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                    I just found that the show Greatest American is finished and the winner is Ronald Reagan. Personally, I like Ronald Reagan so I think it is a good choice. What do you think dear Americans? http://tv.channel.aol.com/greatestamerican[^]

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                    I was fairly young when Reagan left office... my first-hand memories of the time are few and vague. Based on what i've seen since then, i'd have a hard time calling him "Great". But love him or hate him, there's little denying that the world would have been a significantly different place today had there been no Reagan, and in the end, perhaps this is the most observable aspect of greatness.

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                    • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                      Bill Clinton. :ducks: ;) Ronald Reagan is a good choice. Odd that #1 and #2 are both politicians, both Republicans too...I suppose since it was open to voting, and this seems like a show that would appeal mostly to common conservative folk, it should come as no surprise that Lincoln and Reagan are #2 & #1 respectively. And both Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. are in the top 25? I dunno about that... but I'll save any further comment for the soapbox. :-) *edit* ok, which 2 people voted 1 for this message? Why is everyone so politically sensitive these days? The Bill Clinton suggestion was a JOKE, for those over-sensitive conservatives that didn't get it. Or was the joking suggestion of Clinton ticking off some over-sensitive liberals? I dunno. Sheesh, you can't mention a political figure without inciting a flame war these days.

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                      I tried to cheer you up a little by giving you a 5, but it looks like it only bumped you up from 1.4 to 1.7. :(( Matt Gerrans

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                      • G Giles

                        I awlays though Richard Feynman was a bit of a dude. Still not sure he was the greatest though. Reagan I think is pretty weak. He did a lot, but not that much.

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                        Giles wrote: Richard Feynman Not only great scientist and person. but great writer, too. David

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                          Giles wrote: Richard Feynman Not only great scientist and person. but great writer, too. David

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                          damn you Shog why does it remember >- your name here -< when I am already logged and changed it to dnh post ago? oh well David

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                            damn you Shog why does it remember >- your name here -< when I am already logged and changed it to dnh post ago? oh well David

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                            :-O David David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidy

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                            • B Brigg Thorp

                              If you talk about the number of women they scored with, I bet Clinton beat Reagan hands down. :) Brigg Thorp Senior Software Engineer Timex Corporation

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                              I don't think Clinton ever beat Reagan - with his hands or anything else. I don't recall that he was particularly abusive :~ Didn't he foster that 'Make love to your subordinates not war' kind of attitude anyway :doh:

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                                I tried to cheer you up a little by giving you a 5, but it looks like it only bumped you up from 1.4 to 1.7. :(( Matt Gerrans

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                                Judah Gabriel Himango
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                                :) Thanks for trying.

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                                • B Blake Miller

                                  I don't think Clinton ever beat Reagan - with his hands or anything else. I don't recall that he was particularly abusive :~ Didn't he foster that 'Make love to your subordinates not war' kind of attitude anyway :doh:

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                                  I think you're taking the term "beat" literally. When I said beat, I meant that out of the number of women both Clinton and Reagan came in contact with, Clinton wins in the total number. Sorry if this American english term confused you. Brigg Thorp Senior Software Engineer Timex Corporation

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                                    :-O David David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidy

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                                    Doh! :-D

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                                    • M mmikey7

                                      Richard Stringer wrote: Damned if I know From Monday thru Thursday I am a pessimist. On Friday I become an optomist for a while until I see that my weekly renumeration is still not enough to move me into a higher tax bracket. Saturday and Sunday as I pay bills, fix things around the house, mow the yard, manage my pitiful little stock portfolio and wonder if I will ever be able to retire with any modicum of comfort, I am a realist. The pessimist in me tells me I am gonna die broke and sick, the optomist tells me I am gonna win the lottery, and the realist says "keep on working boy". so real, so funny :laugh: EDIT: You wrote it in funny way therefore it seems funny to me. in fact I admire this lifestyle. I mean you (Americans) are hard workers, some have more than one job, and yet some also make charity in they free time. I think this is what makes America great.

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                                      Totally agree, President Reagan gave this country a re-birth. When in 1989, suddenly I heard the Evil Empire was broken, I know finally he made it. Your guys in north america just cannot imagine how it impacted the people's life in the east country. I am reading "American Life" by him, it is damn good. He is right in all fields, military (make USSR can NOT win; STAR WAR), ecnomics (lower tax to put burden off your shoulder) and spirit(conservative) to me. Great Country, Great Party, Great President. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5879467/:sigh: Am I the the last one on this multi-branch post thread? Just pass here :laugh

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                                        Thatcher(also my favourite politican) made it to number 10 in UK, winner was W. Churchill. It is interesting that politicans, certainly not most popular people on the world are put so high in this competition. Btw., I like those politicans who promote free market, low taxes, no regulations, individual liberty and so on. I'm confident that people know better how effectively use their money than the politicans. I still can't believe that some people had 70% taxes in USA before Reagan. Another interesting thing is that those politicans(who promote free trade, low taxes etc.) are now called conservatives, but they were called liberals in the time of American revolution.

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                                        Michal Martinka wrote: Thatcher(also my favourite politican) made it to number 10 in UK, winner was W. Churchill. It is interesting that politicans, certainly not most popular people on the world are put so high in this competition. Btw., I like those politicans who promote free market, low taxes, no regulations, individual liberty and so on. I'm confident that people know better how effectively use their money than the politicans. I still can't believe that some people had 70% taxes in USA before Reagan. Another interesting thing is that those politicans(who promote free trade, low taxes etc.) are now called conservatives, but they were called liberals in the time of American revolution. I bet you will love this speech by Arnold http://video.msn.com/video/p.htm?t=1&m=News%20-%20Weather&mi=NBC%20News&i=d1359ca6-58be-4ecd-902c-f73f01ed57aa,d1359ca6-58be-4ecd-902c-f73f01ed57aa,47e36692-80f1-418b-b0b4-4aa36928f14b,f490fbe7-9dba-49ca-adaf-8578237de6e1,fb34cdf2-e97f-44da-88f3-93d27be9b0c1,c3c2eebc-557f-4f57-8f90-5e5df9f4bc74,9a08a559-cdb4-4126-9900-ffa1abd33176,9a9817bb-9e96-4b44-b4b1-74970f44a4d9,d2e71efa-141c-4cf4-81e9-d2f34a950bfe,76abd7f7-645b-4d75-ae85-312413c86c60,&rf= When I was a boy, the Soviets occupied part of Austria. I saw their tanks in the streets .I saw communism with my own eyes. I remember the fear .... ... But then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes, and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air. ... If you believe that government should be accountable to the people, not the people to the government...then you are a Republican! If you believe a person should be treated as an individual, not as a member of an interest group... then you are a Republican! If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does... then you are a Republican! ... If you believe this country, not the United Nations, is the best hope of democracy in the

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                                          Michal Martinka wrote: Thatcher(also my favourite politican) made it to number 10 in UK, winner was W. Churchill. It is interesting that politicans, certainly not most popular people on the world are put so high in this competition. Btw., I like those politicans who promote free market, low taxes, no regulations, individual liberty and so on. I'm confident that people know better how effectively use their money than the politicans. I still can't believe that some people had 70% taxes in USA before Reagan. Another interesting thing is that those politicans(who promote free trade, low taxes etc.) are now called conservatives, but they were called liberals in the time of American revolution. I bet you will love this speech by Arnold http://video.msn.com/video/p.htm?t=1&m=News%20-%20Weather&mi=NBC%20News&i=d1359ca6-58be-4ecd-902c-f73f01ed57aa,d1359ca6-58be-4ecd-902c-f73f01ed57aa,47e36692-80f1-418b-b0b4-4aa36928f14b,f490fbe7-9dba-49ca-adaf-8578237de6e1,fb34cdf2-e97f-44da-88f3-93d27be9b0c1,c3c2eebc-557f-4f57-8f90-5e5df9f4bc74,9a08a559-cdb4-4126-9900-ffa1abd33176,9a9817bb-9e96-4b44-b4b1-74970f44a4d9,d2e71efa-141c-4cf4-81e9-d2f34a950bfe,76abd7f7-645b-4d75-ae85-312413c86c60,&rf= When I was a boy, the Soviets occupied part of Austria. I saw their tanks in the streets .I saw communism with my own eyes. I remember the fear .... ... But then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes, and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air. ... If you believe that government should be accountable to the people, not the people to the government...then you are a Republican! If you believe a person should be treated as an individual, not as a member of an interest group... then you are a Republican! If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does... then you are a Republican! ... If you believe this country, not the United Nations, is the best hope of democracy in the

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                                          Thank you Zhefu, I watched the video. It's a really impressive how Arnold talks about Austria. You know, I live in Slovakia, we has a border with Austria and we were occupied by Soviet Union in 1968 and we remained in their block until 1989. But I will tell you something. It's so hard even in these days to persuade people here that the freedom is important. They say "For what I'm free if I have no money?". They vote for communist(yes, that's fucking damn true) and for social democracts(it's something like moderate communist) and the result is that we have communist in our parliament. I say to those people that when they are free they can use their potential and work hard to make money. But it is hard, because we have still a lot of bureaucracy and regulation here. Fortunately we have now right wing oriented goverment so things has moved better in last 3 years. But social democrats and communist have still 36% of votes together. And social democrats are winning around a Europe and that's why the Europe will never reach to America. People think that government shoudld take care about everything. And it's just not possible. It was not possible in Soviet Union and it will never be possible in Europe Union. So I hope I will win a Green Card Lottery and I will have a chance to come to America. And If I won't so lucky I will fight for freedom here. There is a very good book about how socialists can take out your freedom. The book si from Nobel prize winner F. A. Hayek. The Road to Serfdom [^] See Slovakia[^]

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