Hiroshima
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No, this thread started with RIP, and you ain't giving them any rest. pc128 wrote: no names calling will come from me here just the facts and carefully stated opinions. As "official" rules say... but there are also "unofficial" rules saying everything controversial goes to soapbox. A-bombing city with 250 000 people IS controversial topic. Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidyAnd so is raping and killing millions correct? Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Innocent people always die in a war, thats the a part about the whole thing. The idea that somehow the US should feel guilty because they ended the war by dropping the bomb is ridiculous. There is no chest thumping or flag waving about it with me, I rode around in a ballistic missle submarine for 4 1/2 years and think that the use of nuclear weapons should be avoided at all costs. The bombing of Japan ending World War 2 accomplished 2 things, it ended the war and made it obvious what a horror nuclear war would be. Imagine instead that the US had had to try to invade the Japanese mainland. Do you think that the people in Tokyo would have been any more willing to surrender than the people of Saipan[^]? Imagine fighting a population of people who are willing to fight to the death believing their Emporer is God. Was dropping the bomb sad? Yes it was, but not something that a million servicemens families should regret Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: The idea that somehow the US should feel guilty because they ended the war by dropping the bomb is ridiculous. I made no statement about the US feeling guilty. In fact I do believe it was justified at the time. Furthermore, people here tend to be fairly well educated. Do you really think they need you to supply the historical context for them? The point was to memorialize the people who died as a result of the use of the most horrific weapon ever developed. If you're unable to do that without spouting nationalistic crap, then don't say anything at all - or move your rant to the Soapbox, where it is more appropriate.
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And so is raping and killing millions correct? Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
WTF?? Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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WTF?? Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidyMillions? I don't know. But sadly, Japan is responsible for very serious human rights violations. The things they did in China are still not widely known and reported. They did some very bad things. I still wish people would have let this be a simple memorial day for Hiroshima. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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Doug Goulden wrote: The idea that somehow the US should feel guilty because they ended the war by dropping the bomb is ridiculous. I made no statement about the US feeling guilty. In fact I do believe it was justified at the time. Furthermore, people here tend to be fairly well educated. Do you really think they need you to supply the historical context for them? The point was to memorialize the people who died as a result of the use of the most horrific weapon ever developed. If you're unable to do that without spouting nationalistic crap, then don't say anything at all - or move your rant to the Soapbox, where it is more appropriate.
LunaticFringe wrote: Do you really think they need you to supply the historical context for them? Yes, people forget the horrors committed on both sides and generally tend to go with a feel good approach. LunaticFringe wrote: If you're unable to do that without spouting nationalistic crap, then don't say anything at all LunaticFringe wrote: or move your rant to the Soapbox, where it is more appropriate. I believe that I responded to the above posts logically and without being insulting. I might point out that you were the rude ranter here. So follow your own advice, if you don't like a post move on, or better yet get over yourself. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Doug Goulden wrote: The idea that somehow the US should feel guilty because they ended the war by dropping the bomb is ridiculous. I made no statement about the US feeling guilty. In fact I do believe it was justified at the time. Furthermore, people here tend to be fairly well educated. Do you really think they need you to supply the historical context for them? The point was to memorialize the people who died as a result of the use of the most horrific weapon ever developed. If you're unable to do that without spouting nationalistic crap, then don't say anything at all - or move your rant to the Soapbox, where it is more appropriate.
LunaticFringe wrote: Furthermore, people here tend to be fairly well educated. Do you really think they need you to supply the historical context for them? People here may be well educated, but their brief in history appears to be well distorted. Typically the believe the media's portrayal of history rather than factual records. This whole thread is full of factual inaccuracies on both sides of the debate. Regardz Colin J Davies The most LinkedIn CPian (that I know of anyhow) :-)
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Facts pointing actually. Don't like when people portray Japanese as victims in the war they started and during which they commited incredible amount of war crimes for which they don't even apologize of feel sorry about.
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Millions? I don't know. But sadly, Japan is responsible for very serious human rights violations. The things they did in China are still not widely known and reported. They did some very bad things. I still wish people would have let this be a simple memorial day for Hiroshima. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Right, but how does it (what Doug said) relate to anything I said? :confused: Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Right, but how does it (what Doug said) relate to anything I said? :confused: Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidyYou made the comment that bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki was controversial. I asked whether Japans actions during the war in Nanking, Bataan, or a dozen other places were any less controversial. The reason it is applicable? Because people want to simpathize with Japan's plight when it was bombed. Should I feel bad that my granfather didn't have to try to invade instead? I don't think so. I don't hear anyone lamenting the loss of life in Berlin from the Russians capturing it, instead we celebrate the end of the war, I see this as no different. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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You made the comment that bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki was controversial. I asked whether Japans actions during the war in Nanking, Bataan, or a dozen other places were any less controversial. The reason it is applicable? Because people want to simpathize with Japan's plight when it was bombed. Should I feel bad that my granfather didn't have to try to invade instead? I don't think so. I don't hear anyone lamenting the loss of life in Berlin from the Russians capturing it, instead we celebrate the end of the war, I see this as no different. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: You made the comment that bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki was controversial. True. Doug Goulden wrote: I asked whether Japans actions during the war in Nanking, Bataan, or a dozen other places were any less controversial. And I said WTF because all I was saying was why it should go to soapbox, and that original thread was simply remembering death of thousands of people. When lot of people die it is always sad/regretable/bad ( please forgive me my english and insert right word here ), no matter if it was right thing to do in that time. I did not stated my opinion about the event. And hell no I don't think that "raping and killing milions is correct". What made you ask?? I don't see that transition from "Bombing of Hirosima is Soapbox topic, while 60th anniversary is not." to "raping and killing milions is correct". Doug Goulden wrote: Should I feel bad that my granfather didn't have to try to invade instead? I don't think so. I don't think so either. Doug Goulden wrote: I don't hear anyone lamenting the loss of life in Berlin from the Russians capturing it, instead we celebrate the end of the war, I see this as no different. Doug Goulden wrote: I don't hear anyone lamenting the loss of life in Berlin from the Russians capturing it, instead we celebrate the end of the war, I see this as no different. It's part of human nature to remember positive thing better then negative things, and I am happy it is so. Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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