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  • M Member 96

    Really? Would you still "love" me if I told you what I really think about christianity? ;)


    "A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."

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    John Cardinal wrote: Really? Would you still "love" me if I told you what I really think about christianity? Is there anything new yet to say on Chrisitianity? The wonderful thing is that no one will put a death tag on you, no matter what you say. Just be careful not to touch on issues involving the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, there you will not be forgiven. Anyway, speaking your mind freely is good and will help me know how to pray for you. Jesus will still love you, and who am I not to? Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.

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      It actually is quite buddhist. I was discussing that with my pastor one day. He claimed that without the Holy Spirit, one could not fully achieve the facets of love listed in 1 Corinthians 13. I went up to him after the sermon and got him to acknowledge that the buddhists have similar principles and that a buddhist priest could indeed devote his entire life to studying love and become that loving. My pastor corrected himself the next week. :)


      [Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org

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      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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      David Stone wrote: buddhist priest could indeed devote his entire life to studying love and become that loving That doesn't mean Christ isn't involved. Everyone has the light of Christ from birth regardless of who they are. That is the reason everyone knows inately what is right or wrong (for most things).

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        David Stone wrote: Christ didn't command us to like everybody on the face of the planet... It is very simple to find out. It is in your first quote, loving your neighbor as yourself. If the only love you have for myself is Agape, then you have a point. I have all three for myself. David Stone wrote: Are we supposed to like Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein, etc? No. Interesting list, I hope President Bush is in the "etc". :laugh: Anyway to your question, the answer to me is Yes. It will be difficult for you and that is human, but for your "supposed to", it is Yes. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.

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        Paul Selormey wrote: I have all three for myself. So you love yourself erotically (i.e. eros)??? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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          John Cardinal wrote: Really? Would you still "love" me if I told you what I really think about christianity? Is there anything new yet to say on Chrisitianity? The wonderful thing is that no one will put a death tag on you, no matter what you say. Just be careful not to touch on issues involving the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, there you will not be forgiven. Anyway, speaking your mind freely is good and will help me know how to pray for you. Jesus will still love you, and who am I not to? Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.

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          Paul Selormey wrote: involving the Holy Spirit Only if he knows and has an undeniable witness of the Truth from the Spirit AND then denies it. There are very few Sons of Perdition. Not even Hitler qualifies.

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            Microsoft beats Apple, files I-Pod patents[^] cheers, Chris Maunder

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            The articles on this are a little misleading. The actual inventor of the invention covered by the patent didn't work for Apple but for a design company, which was hired by Apple to design the iPod. By default this invention would go to the inventor's employer, in this case the design company, not Apple. Clearly, some enterprising soul at Microsoft realized the patent had not been filed and Microsoft quickly purchased the patent rights to the design from the design company. The failure of Apple was not to anticipate that outsourcing their designs might result in patentable inventions and to have stipulated in all contracts that such inventions would be assigned to Apple. I suspect Apple is now spending a lot of money scouring it's contract portfolio and ammending contract agreements to cover this. (Which could backfire; smart companies will play Apple off of Microsoft and make out like bandits.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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            • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

              David Stone wrote: buddhist priest could indeed devote his entire life to studying love and become that loving That doesn't mean Christ isn't involved. Everyone has the light of Christ from birth regardless of who they are. That is the reason everyone knows inately what is right or wrong (for most things).

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              Right. But my pastor was asserting that non-Christians, not imbued with the Holy Spirit (not Christ...the Spirit) in the way Peter and the Apostles were in Acts, are unable to achieve the level of agape love layed out in 1 Corinthians. So while I would agree that Romans 1:20 is right in saying that men are without excuse because the nature of God can be seen in all creation, I would disagree that all men have been imbued with the Spirit from birth...otherwise there wouldn't have been any change when Peter and the Apostles received the Spirit and started witnessing to the crowd in tongues.


              [Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org

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                Right. But my pastor was asserting that non-Christians, not imbued with the Holy Spirit (not Christ...the Spirit) in the way Peter and the Apostles were in Acts, are unable to achieve the level of agape love layed out in 1 Corinthians. So while I would agree that Romans 1:20 is right in saying that men are without excuse because the nature of God can be seen in all creation, I would disagree that all men have been imbued with the Spirit from birth...otherwise there wouldn't have been any change when Peter and the Apostles received the Spirit and started witnessing to the crowd in tongues.


                [Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org

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                We don't disagree. Note that I said the "light of Christ". That's very different from the "Holy Ghost" or "Holy Spirit". The "light of Christ" can be loosely described as one's "conscience". So while someone might not be able to love someone as deeply with the charity that Christ is talking about without the Holy Spirit, that someone will still "know" through the light of Christ that it's better to love than to hate. Everyone is born with the "light of Christ", but not with the "Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit only comes after conversion and baptism.

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                  We don't disagree. Note that I said the "light of Christ". That's very different from the "Holy Ghost" or "Holy Spirit". The "light of Christ" can be loosely described as one's "conscience". So while someone might not be able to love someone as deeply with the charity that Christ is talking about without the Holy Spirit, that someone will still "know" through the light of Christ that it's better to love than to hate. Everyone is born with the "light of Christ", but not with the "Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit only comes after conversion and baptism.

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                  Sorry...I misread your original post. But now that you've corrected me, I think you have fantastic points there. ;) [Mostly because they're exactly what I think... ;P]


                  [Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org

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                  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                    Paul Selormey wrote: involving the Holy Spirit Only if he knows and has an undeniable witness of the Truth from the Spirit AND then denies it. There are very few Sons of Perdition. Not even Hitler qualifies.

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                    David Stone
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                    Very well put. I couldn't have said it better myself.


                    [Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org

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                    • M Member 96

                      Really? Would you still "love" me if I told you what I really think about christianity? ;)


                      "A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."

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                      David Stone
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                      Of course. If I were to hate everybody who disagrees with what I believe...I'd hate most of the people on the planet. Heck...even some within my church don't agree with some of the finer points of my doctrinal beliefs. It's pointless to get all worked up over religious differences.


                      [Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org

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                      • J Jeremy Falcon

                        Christian Graus wrote: Mostly because I hate Steve Jobs Not trying to start a flame war, but why do you hate Jobs? Jeremy Falcon

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                        Christian Graus
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                        Mostly for the way he treated Woz over the years. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                          Christian Graus wrote: Mostly because I hate Steve Jobs... This is off-topic, but it this does not sound like a Christian! Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.

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                          Christian Graus
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                          Hey, if I knew him, I would treat him with kindness. but I still don't like him as a person. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                          • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                            Paul Selormey wrote: I have all three for myself. So you love yourself erotically (i.e. eros)??? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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                            ahz wrote: So you love yourself erotically I do not know what you find strange about this. If it is not there, there is no way I could give it out to another person. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.

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                            • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                              Paul Selormey wrote: involving the Holy Spirit Only if he knows and has an undeniable witness of the Truth from the Spirit AND then denies it. There are very few Sons of Perdition. Not even Hitler qualifies.

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                              Paul Selormey
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                              I repeat that statement "Just be careful not to touch on issues involving the Holy Spirit.", I think this is a simple advice to someone who said he has things to say about Christianity for me to dislike - I do know how you understand it. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.

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                                Hey, if I knew him, I would treat him with kindness. but I still don't like him as a person. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                                Paul Selormey
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                                Sounds better. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.

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                                • C Christian Graus

                                  Mostly for the way he treated Woz over the years. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                                  Jeremy Falcon
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                                  Agreed. Not to make excuses though, but he's not unlike BillG in that regards either. Jeremy Falcon

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