Asp, Jsp, php and other Ps
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PHP, although pretty nice has a few downsides: (1) poor unicode support and (2) it's not a very productive language due to the lack of standard components. Also, it doesn't encourage a separation of code and HTML, but with a bit of discipline that's no problem. ASP.NET is very nice, productive and easy to get started with. And you get to use Visual Studio. If you want to be as productive as possible you should check out RoR. It's still in beta, and it's not very well documented but it's nonetheless very impressive. http://www.rubyonrails.org/[^] Watch the movie in which somebody creates a functional blog in approximately 30 minutes. Regards, Diederik
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ummmmm php is still just a scripting language ... its not a platform in the same sense as .net ... php5 is way cleaner and more object oriented than php4 ... its also faster in terms of a dev ide like vs ... i think dw can do a fairly good job as can several other commercial and a few free ide's ... personally i use a good old text editor (kate - part of kde - on debian) so i dont look around too much ... guess that makes me a dinosaur :->
l a u r e n wrote: ummmmm php is still just a scripting language ... Check this out: http://www.php-compiler.net/[^] Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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l a u r e n wrote: ummmmm php is still just a scripting language ... Check this out: http://www.php-compiler.net/[^] Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Learning ASP.NET does not mean that you automatically learn ASP.OLD too. I went from coding on mainframes, to ASP.NET. Then picked up some regular old ASP work and it is plenty different. Knowing ASP.NET gives you a good base for being able to figure out ASP. But that doesn't mean that you "know" it.
Yes, you're right. Maybe I was too rustic in my affirmations... I mean that ASP syntax is equal to the ASP.NET syntax using VB server side scripts (the scripts embedded inside the HTML code with the <% ... %> tags).
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
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Yes, you're right. Maybe I was too rustic in my affirmations... I mean that ASP syntax is equal to the ASP.NET syntax using VB server side scripts (the scripts embedded inside the HTML code with the <% ... %> tags).
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
Yes. Actually, if you put a lot of your code in the html then ASP.NET and ASP have a lot in common. I tend to keep most all of my code in the code behind. I did some ASP work (having not done any pure asp in the past) and was surprised at what I didn't know because I just hadn't used ASP.NET that way.
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I swear by RoR now too. ASP.NET has gone from hero to zero for a majority of my web-dev since I started with Ruby on Rails. I wake up at odd hours wanting to use it.... very strange. Waaay to much kool-aid maybe but RoR works, that is the bottom line. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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PHP, although pretty nice has a few downsides: (1) poor unicode support and (2) it's not a very productive language due to the lack of standard components. Also, it doesn't encourage a separation of code and HTML, but with a bit of discipline that's no problem. ASP.NET is very nice, productive and easy to get started with. And you get to use Visual Studio. If you want to be as productive as possible you should check out RoR. It's still in beta, and it's not very well documented but it's nonetheless very impressive. http://www.rubyonrails.org/[^] Watch the movie in which somebody creates a functional blog in approximately 30 minutes. Regards, Diederik
I'll second/third/fourth RoR. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Which of the web dev languages is most popular nowadays? I'm wondering which one to study.
I would suggest ASP.NET! One reason is that you can lean the .NET framework and apply that knowledge and code base to both Windows applications and web applications. Same backend logic can drive both applications. You invest your knowledge into a code base which you usually rob for future products, it can be nice to develop components that you can easily use in both web and Windows applications. Another feature is the ASP.NET is clean in design and changes the old view of web development. It took me a while coming from a ASP,PHP,CGI web development background to actual grab onto the design principles in ASP.NET such as breaking a page up into reusable components. In addition there is the caching, session and context management which is built in ready for you apply to your applications. of course you have the entire .NET framework at your disposal for n-tier web applications not to mention simple things like graphic manipulation (is cool to open a graphic, add text and pump it out dynamically, all built into the framework. It is already really nice since you do not have to learn a new language and put up with thier limitations, you can use about any .NET language to build web applications. It is a hands down choice as far as I am concerned! Rocky <>< My Blog[^]
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Yes. Actually, if you put a lot of your code in the html then ASP.NET and ASP have a lot in common. I tend to keep most all of my code in the code behind. I did some ASP work (having not done any pure asp in the past) and was surprised at what I didn't know because I just hadn't used ASP.NET that way.
tidge wrote: I tend to keep most all of my code in the code behind. In my pages I tend to write only calls to methods. All the rest is in the code behind. For example:
Results <% showResults(); %>
and so on. :cool:
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
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PHP, although pretty nice has a few downsides: (1) poor unicode support and (2) it's not a very productive language due to the lack of standard components. Also, it doesn't encourage a separation of code and HTML, but with a bit of discipline that's no problem. ASP.NET is very nice, productive and easy to get started with. And you get to use Visual Studio. If you want to be as productive as possible you should check out RoR. It's still in beta, and it's not very well documented but it's nonetheless very impressive. http://www.rubyonrails.org/[^] Watch the movie in which somebody creates a functional blog in approximately 30 minutes. Regards, Diederik