This place is turning into slashdot.
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George wrote: C# Zealot -> C++ wanna-be Zealot George, perhaps you must start thinking about a I-hate-.NET-jokes collection web site. You have a few good ones to your credit already :-D :-D :-D Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: George, perhaps you must start thinking about a I-hate-.NET-jokes collection web site. You have a few good ones to your credit already Thanks for the recognition, but it just comes to me "naturally", almost subconcious and unwillingly. I am not actively persecuting .NET, eg. I don't start threads like "C# sucks" etc. If .NET stayed out of my way (eg. I would like the filter that would get rid of the .NET sections when MFC/C++ is selected) I would not say a word about it as I don't really care...
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Colin Davies wrote: 1. Being a Zealot is not a bad thing if you are right. Exactly! For example: C++ Zealot -> Good VB Zealot -> Bad C# Zealot -> C++ wanna-be Zealot ;)
George wrote: Exactly! For example: C++ Zealot -> Good VB Zealot -> Bad C# Zealot -> C++ wanna-be Zealot Turbo Pascal zealot -> Has-been Zealot
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Go for it, but I'm envisioning the logo - it's not a pretty picture...
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George wrote: C# Zealot -> C++ wanna-be Zealot George, perhaps you must start thinking about a I-hate-.NET-jokes collection web site. You have a few good ones to your credit already :-D :-D :-D Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Here's another joke (don't bother telling me it's bad, I already know :rolleyes: ): .NET -- not much good unless you're trying to catch .FISH "Why kill time, when you can kill yourself?" - Cabaret Voltaire
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What puzzles me is why Microsoft is so bothered. I mean even if their claims are valid at most how many users are they gonna lose to some kinda linux /windows mixture? Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
I tried Linux. It is better than Windows, if stability is all that is of concern. But you've all read my descriptions of the morons I have to support... it's a great programmer's platform, but an average home or small business user will never accept it! If it was flawless, if every Windows application ran on it without error, then Micro$oft would have reason to attack. But it doesn't work that well... Micro$oft should not be wasting time and energy on such a trivial challenge. If I had the luxury of supporting a bunch of computer-savvy users I'd gladly give up the Micro$oft platform for anything else. But the reality is that they created the first, and only, user-friendly operating system in existance. That they've done a crappy job of it, I won't argue. But it's there, and it's given a whole bunch of us jobs we wouldn't otherwise have. And it's made our employees more productive than ever. Thanks Bill, though I hate your bastard creation... It works, and that's what's important.
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Here's another joke (don't bother telling me it's bad, I already know :rolleyes: ): .NET -- not much good unless you're trying to catch .FISH "Why kill time, when you can kill yourself?" - Cabaret Voltaire
Daniel Ferguson wrote: .NET -- not much good unless you're trying to catch .FISH How aboout a re-edit, .NET - stinks from old fish. Just trying to help with the cause. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle 'em with your bullsh*t P J Arends 0 = ( ( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) + (x-1)^2) * ( (x-1)^2 + ( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) ) - x^4 x != 0 0 = sqrt( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) - 5
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Re Zealot There are several different interpretations and definitions. But my statement was oxymoronic. :-) True looking from the inside out a zealots vision will always be coloured, thus they live and justify on belief rather than logic. Microsoft left itself wide open for abuse by using "Windows" as there OS product name and justifyibly deserve all the problems they encounter. What about the Unix X-Window ? Where does it stand now ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle 'em with your bullsh*t P J Arends 0 = ( ( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) + (x-1)^2) * ( (x-1)^2 + ( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) ) - x^4 x != 0 0 = sqrt( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) - 5
Colin Davies wrote: What about the Unix X-Window ? Where does it stand now ? Actually, the short name is X simply. The longer version is The X Windowing System. And X was around long before Windows IIRC. The original authors of X could very well be (grand?)parents to most of us here.. :) Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen
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Just read David Wulff's latest off-base attack on Lindows, and while he has established himself as a delicate little petal, I was suprised to read the responses from the other 'Zealots' out there. Albiet, the mailing list survey is quite silly, there's more to the issue than a 1 line blurb. I thought John Dvorack's testimony (http://www.net2.com/lindows/dvorak.pdf) and the lindowsOS opposition document redacted (redacted=legally edited with a very dark black marker to hide stuff) by Microsoft were just as entertaining (http://www.net2.com/lindows/motion.pdf). David's keen legal insight not withstanding, I think there's more involved in the defense of lindows than a simple user survey. One of their arguments is Microsoft cannot prove that there will be confusion among potential customers (ie: the type of customer that would download the os, burn it to cd, and install the os) regarding the name and the other argument stating that Microsoft has failed to adequatly protect its trademark (Estoppel and latches, google search for polaroid vs polarad for an idea of what that means). Quotes from the lindows website: While Microsoft alleges people will be confused when they asked the judge to shut down Lindows.com, they offered no evidence whatsoever that anyone was actually confused between Microsoft's programs and LindowsOS. In fact, we hired an independent marketing company to conduct a survey, asking over 14,000 likely buyers to participate. The results revealed that not even a SINGLE respondent was confused. The survey was supervised by an expert from San Diego State University. Go here(http://www.net2.com/lindows/survey.pdf) to read about the survey results. We have offered a compromise to Microsoft whereby we would continue to use our company name Lindows.com since that bears no resemblance whatsoever to Microsoft, but we would not use LindowsOS as our product name. This offer was not accepted. ..over the last 10 years Microsoft has never filed a lawsuit similar to the one they filed against Lindows.com in spite of the fact that there are hundreds of products which use the term "Windows".
"This place is turning into slashdot" is an insult against Chris & co if you the "place" you refer to is Codproject and not the lounge. Slashdot is a bubonic mess of trolls and FUD-spreaders who happen to think Linux is "cool" (whatever that means). These users wouldn't know the difference between Solaris and AIX even if their lives depended on it. This site is a pure programming/development site. I dare to say that the average IQ of each CP users left index finger is higher than the combined IQ of 10 slashdot users. ;P Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen
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Richard Melton wrote: However, I don't think Microsoft should be allowed to use Windows as a product name (or any common word for that matter, 'Microsoft Windows' is ok), it's just too common and there's enough established prior art to deny the claim (which is was). We'll never really know, but I do believe money won out in that instance. Very true. Almost all their products use totally generic names. word, outlook, excel, office, windows, sql server [geez man, that's the limit] Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Daniel Ferguson wrote: .NET -- not much good unless you're trying to catch .FISH How aboout a re-edit, .NET - stinks from old fish. Just trying to help with the cause. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle 'em with your bullsh*t P J Arends 0 = ( ( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) + (x-1)^2) * ( (x-1)^2 + ( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) ) - x^4 x != 0 0 = sqrt( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) - 5
Or perhaps: .NET smells like rotting .FISH ? "Why kill time, when you can kill yourself?" - Cabaret Voltaire
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Go for it, but I'm envisioning the logo - it's not a pretty picture...
Roger Wright wrote: Go for it, but I'm envisioning the logo - it's not a pretty picture... LOL, that's what I was thinking... :-D Simon "The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know" - Colin Davies Sonork ID 100.10024
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I tried Linux. It is better than Windows, if stability is all that is of concern. But you've all read my descriptions of the morons I have to support... it's a great programmer's platform, but an average home or small business user will never accept it! If it was flawless, if every Windows application ran on it without error, then Micro$oft would have reason to attack. But it doesn't work that well... Micro$oft should not be wasting time and energy on such a trivial challenge. If I had the luxury of supporting a bunch of computer-savvy users I'd gladly give up the Micro$oft platform for anything else. But the reality is that they created the first, and only, user-friendly operating system in existance. That they've done a crappy job of it, I won't argue. But it's there, and it's given a whole bunch of us jobs we wouldn't otherwise have. And it's made our employees more productive than ever. Thanks Bill, though I hate your bastard creation... It works, and that's what's important.
Roger Wright wrote: It is better than Windows, if stability is all that is of concern. I've experienced more problems with my old Redhat installation than my W2k installation. Considering how much compatibility and how many features MS have to pack into the OS, it's quite a feat of engineering. Simon "The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know" - Colin Davies Sonork ID 100.10024
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"This place is turning into slashdot" is an insult against Chris & co if you the "place" you refer to is Codproject and not the lounge. Slashdot is a bubonic mess of trolls and FUD-spreaders who happen to think Linux is "cool" (whatever that means). These users wouldn't know the difference between Solaris and AIX even if their lives depended on it. This site is a pure programming/development site. I dare to say that the average IQ of each CP users left index finger is higher than the combined IQ of 10 slashdot users. ;P Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Chris & co if you the "place" you refer to is Codproject CodProject? Chris, when did you transform CP into a fishing site? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: This site is a pure programming/development site. I dare to say that the average IQ of each CP users left index finger is higher than the combined IQ of 10 slashdot users. There certainly are a lot of intelligent people here, but I wouldn't go slagging off the Unix people over there. True, there are more teenyboppers there who use Unix just because "Bill Gates is the devil", but you'd be surprised at the amount of support for Microsoft people show there. Simon "The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know" - Colin Davies Sonork ID 100.10024
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Chris & co if you the "place" you refer to is Codproject CodProject? Chris, when did you transform CP into a fishing site? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: This site is a pure programming/development site. I dare to say that the average IQ of each CP users left index finger is higher than the combined IQ of 10 slashdot users. There certainly are a lot of intelligent people here, but I wouldn't go slagging off the Unix people over there. True, there are more teenyboppers there who use Unix just because "Bill Gates is the devil", but you'd be surprised at the amount of support for Microsoft people show there. Simon "The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know" - Colin Davies Sonork ID 100.10024
Simon Walton wrote: Chris, when did you transform CP into a fishing site? Well we all go fishing for trolls every now and again, cod just happens to taste good too. James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think." - Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull 1972
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Chris & co if you the "place" you refer to is Codproject CodProject? Chris, when did you transform CP into a fishing site? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: This site is a pure programming/development site. I dare to say that the average IQ of each CP users left index finger is higher than the combined IQ of 10 slashdot users. There certainly are a lot of intelligent people here, but I wouldn't go slagging off the Unix people over there. True, there are more teenyboppers there who use Unix just because "Bill Gates is the devil", but you'd be surprised at the amount of support for Microsoft people show there. Simon "The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know" - Colin Davies Sonork ID 100.10024
Simon Walton wrote: CodProject? Chris, when did you transform CP into a fishing site? Woops :-O. Simon Walton wrote: There certainly are a lot of intelligent people here, but I wouldn't go slagging off the Unix people over there. True, there are more teenyboppers there who use Unix just because "Bill Gates is the devil", but you'd be surprised at the amount of support for Microsoft people show there. I hold no grudge against Unix people at all. In fact, I'm all for Unix. But I am also pragmatic; I use what works and what the customer wants. And the majority of posts on Slashdot are made by teenies and trolls. Have you ever read more than 10 interesting posts on a Slashdot article? So by claiming that CP is turning into Slashdot, I find that insulting if he meant that CP as a whole is turning into Slashdot. If it's just the lounge he means, then it's semi ok, if most who post here are trolls and teenies. Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen
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Just read David Wulff's latest off-base attack on Lindows, and while he has established himself as a delicate little petal, I was suprised to read the responses from the other 'Zealots' out there. Albiet, the mailing list survey is quite silly, there's more to the issue than a 1 line blurb. I thought John Dvorack's testimony (http://www.net2.com/lindows/dvorak.pdf) and the lindowsOS opposition document redacted (redacted=legally edited with a very dark black marker to hide stuff) by Microsoft were just as entertaining (http://www.net2.com/lindows/motion.pdf). David's keen legal insight not withstanding, I think there's more involved in the defense of lindows than a simple user survey. One of their arguments is Microsoft cannot prove that there will be confusion among potential customers (ie: the type of customer that would download the os, burn it to cd, and install the os) regarding the name and the other argument stating that Microsoft has failed to adequatly protect its trademark (Estoppel and latches, google search for polaroid vs polarad for an idea of what that means). Quotes from the lindows website: While Microsoft alleges people will be confused when they asked the judge to shut down Lindows.com, they offered no evidence whatsoever that anyone was actually confused between Microsoft's programs and LindowsOS. In fact, we hired an independent marketing company to conduct a survey, asking over 14,000 likely buyers to participate. The results revealed that not even a SINGLE respondent was confused. The survey was supervised by an expert from San Diego State University. Go here(http://www.net2.com/lindows/survey.pdf) to read about the survey results. We have offered a compromise to Microsoft whereby we would continue to use our company name Lindows.com since that bears no resemblance whatsoever to Microsoft, but we would not use LindowsOS as our product name. This offer was not accepted. ..over the last 10 years Microsoft has never filed a lawsuit similar to the one they filed against Lindows.com in spite of the fact that there are hundreds of products which use the term "Windows".
Honest officer, I didn't rob the bank. I asked all my family and close friends and they said I didn't do it. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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"This place is turning into slashdot" is an insult against Chris & co if you the "place" you refer to is Codproject and not the lounge. Slashdot is a bubonic mess of trolls and FUD-spreaders who happen to think Linux is "cool" (whatever that means). These users wouldn't know the difference between Solaris and AIX even if their lives depended on it. This site is a pure programming/development site. I dare to say that the average IQ of each CP users left index finger is higher than the combined IQ of 10 slashdot users. ;P Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen
Relax Jorgie boy, it's only an insult if you take it as one. I was just a little exasperated with the 'zealot' mentality.
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Relax Jorgie boy, it's only an insult if you take it as one. I was just a little exasperated with the 'zealot' mentality.
Richard Melton wrote: Relax Jorgie boy, it's only an insult if you take it as one I am relaxed, trust me. I'm on the virge to fall asleep (the time difference between Salt Lake City and Sweden is horrible.. :)) I just wanted to make a strong point. It would suck if this site was to be attacked by teenie zelot wannebes. That would reduce the usable subset of the internet by 33% or so.. ;) Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Chris & co if you the "place" you refer to is Codproject CodProject? Chris, when did you transform CP into a fishing site? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: This site is a pure programming/development site. I dare to say that the average IQ of each CP users left index finger is higher than the combined IQ of 10 slashdot users. There certainly are a lot of intelligent people here, but I wouldn't go slagging off the Unix people over there. True, there are more teenyboppers there who use Unix just because "Bill Gates is the devil", but you'd be surprised at the amount of support for Microsoft people show there. Simon "The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know" - Colin Davies Sonork ID 100.10024
Ah ha, so .NET is used for .FISH!!! (sorry) From an internal company e-mail November, 2001 -- "Would the person who stole the ethics training manual from the class last Friday please return it."
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Just read David Wulff's latest off-base attack on Lindows, and while he has established himself as a delicate little petal, I was suprised to read the responses from the other 'Zealots' out there. Albiet, the mailing list survey is quite silly, there's more to the issue than a 1 line blurb. I thought John Dvorack's testimony (http://www.net2.com/lindows/dvorak.pdf) and the lindowsOS opposition document redacted (redacted=legally edited with a very dark black marker to hide stuff) by Microsoft were just as entertaining (http://www.net2.com/lindows/motion.pdf). David's keen legal insight not withstanding, I think there's more involved in the defense of lindows than a simple user survey. One of their arguments is Microsoft cannot prove that there will be confusion among potential customers (ie: the type of customer that would download the os, burn it to cd, and install the os) regarding the name and the other argument stating that Microsoft has failed to adequatly protect its trademark (Estoppel and latches, google search for polaroid vs polarad for an idea of what that means). Quotes from the lindows website: While Microsoft alleges people will be confused when they asked the judge to shut down Lindows.com, they offered no evidence whatsoever that anyone was actually confused between Microsoft's programs and LindowsOS. In fact, we hired an independent marketing company to conduct a survey, asking over 14,000 likely buyers to participate. The results revealed that not even a SINGLE respondent was confused. The survey was supervised by an expert from San Diego State University. Go here(http://www.net2.com/lindows/survey.pdf) to read about the survey results. We have offered a compromise to Microsoft whereby we would continue to use our company name Lindows.com since that bears no resemblance whatsoever to Microsoft, but we would not use LindowsOS as our product name. This offer was not accepted. ..over the last 10 years Microsoft has never filed a lawsuit similar to the one they filed against Lindows.com in spite of the fact that there are hundreds of products which use the term "Windows".
Richard Melton wrote: Just read David Wulff's latest off-base attack on Lindows Off base? I was very careful to find as much so-called credible news as I could on the matter before posting a thing, as I was with the last thread, and as I am with just about any thread discussing something from the current news. Richard Melton wrote: and while he has established himself as a delicate little petal Like I offered the last time you said that to me, some here to England and say that to my face. Hopefuly I can help to change your opinion of me. ;) Richard Melton wrote: I was suprised to read the responses from the other 'Zealots' out there. Later in your blurb - as you like to refer to one's carefully researched and thought out text - you mention how zealots are unable to see the other side of view from any thought perspective other than they are right and all others are wrong. Ring any bells? Try a little close to home than than. Richard Melton wrote: David's keen legal insight not withstanding When it comes to IP law, and more specifically related to trademarks, yes I do know what I am talking about within reason. I am one of the enligtened few who has had the pleasure of trying to get a trademark passed again and again and again. I have first hand knowledge of the idiocracies of what does and doesn't constitute a trademark violation. Admittedly it was not in our field (this was on behalf of my father and his kitchen design firm) but the techniques and thus the rules and regulations are the same regardless of the class a mark is associated with. Richard Melton wrote: I think there's more involved in the defense of lindows than a simple user survey No doubt, but not one of the news sources I have read have ever quoted such as evidencee. I am not a slashdot member, nor do I, despite appearances, have enough free time to waste more than two or so hours a day, especially not nine to five. If they do not make a good enough job of exposing all of the facts, and this applies to both sides of any argument, then who's fault is that? It certainly isn't the onlooker's. In fact, I will number this subreply "A" for use later on. Richard Melton wrote: the other argument stating that Microsoft has failed to adequatly protect its trademark (Estoppel and latches, google search for polaroid vs polarad for an idea of what t