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  • S Stan Shannon

    I wish Bush would just go ahead and invade Iran and Syria. Politically, he doesn't have much left to lose, and we certainly need to take them out. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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    kgaddy
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    Well we could wait for the UN to take action, but then we would all die.

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      Stan Shannon wrote:

      I wish Bush would just go ahead and invade Iran and Syria

      How can he do that, without raising your taxes and instituting the draft ? I would agree that those countries pose a bigger threat to the US than Iraq did. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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      Christian Graus wrote:

      How can he do that, without raising your taxes and instituting the draft ?

      While I, for one, would love to see the draft reinstituted, we don't need it for that purpose. Our forces in the area are more than adequate for the job. Most of the insurgents we are fighting are coming from those two countries, or getting their supplies from them, so Iraq would have a respite from most of the violence. Our military remains at full strength, and revenues are flowing into the government right now thanks to Bush's keeping taxes low, which is about the only thing he has done right. Economically we are in a perfect situation to do it. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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      • C Christian Graus

        kgaddy wrote:

        a German monthly magazine reported on Wednesday."

        Must be true then. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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        Funny, you can cut and paste this to any article and try to discredit it. "Must be true then." Do you have any proof this is a lie?

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          Christian Graus wrote:

          How can he do that, without raising your taxes and instituting the draft ?

          While I, for one, would love to see the draft reinstituted, we don't need it for that purpose. Our forces in the area are more than adequate for the job. Most of the insurgents we are fighting are coming from those two countries, or getting their supplies from them, so Iraq would have a respite from most of the violence. Our military remains at full strength, and revenues are flowing into the government right now thanks to Bush's keeping taxes low, which is about the only thing he has done right. Economically we are in a perfect situation to do it. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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          Christian Graus
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          Stan Shannon wrote:

          While I, for one, would love to see the draft reinstituted,

          Because you're too old for it ? :P

          Stan Shannon wrote:

          Most of the insurgents we are fighting are coming from those two countries, or getting their supplies from them, so Iraq would have a respite from most of the violence.

          Can you be sure of that ? Is the army that's concentrated in Iraq really enough to spread out on the offensive through two other countries ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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            Funny, you can cut and paste this to any article and try to discredit it. "Must be true then." Do you have any proof this is a lie?

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            Christian Graus
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            kgaddy wrote:

            Do you have any proof this is a lie?

            Not at all.

            kgaddy wrote:

            Funny, you can cut and paste this to any article and try to discredit it.

            I tend to regard most of what I read as being based on truth, rather than actually true. I am often proved right in this. The media lies to you. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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            • S Stan Shannon

              I wish Bush would just go ahead and invade Iran and Syria. Politically, he doesn't have much left to lose, and we certainly need to take them out. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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              Diego Moita
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              Wow! I'd love to see that too, but for the oposite reason of yours. It would be like trying to extinguish fire with gasoline. Americans would become radioactive in the middle-east for the next 20 years. You would have to say goodbye for cheap oil, goodbye to any influence in the region, ... Oh, well, it would be to good to be true. Even Bush can't be so crazy...:sigh: Dadinho é o caralho! Meu nome agora é Zé Pequeno, porra!
              Leandro Firmino da Hora in the best movie[^] you'll ever see.

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                Stan Shannon wrote:

                While I, for one, would love to see the draft reinstituted,

                Because you're too old for it ? :P

                Stan Shannon wrote:

                Most of the insurgents we are fighting are coming from those two countries, or getting their supplies from them, so Iraq would have a respite from most of the violence.

                Can you be sure of that ? Is the army that's concentrated in Iraq really enough to spread out on the offensive through two other countries ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                Chris Losinger
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                Christian Graus wrote:

                Is the army that's concentrated in Iraq really enough to spread out on the offensive through two other countries ?

                if the goal is to simply destroy Iran, we're more than capable. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                  They could probably refuel ofer Iraq. They (F-15) did a pretty good job in Iraq in 1981. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/7/newsid_3014000/3014623.stm

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                  Stan Shannon
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                  That would go over real well in the Islamic world! "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    Is the army that's concentrated in Iraq really enough to spread out on the offensive through two other countries ?

                    if the goal is to simply destroy Iran, we're more than capable. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                    Christian Graus
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                    Chris Losinger wrote:

                    if the goal is to simply destroy Iran, we're more than capable.

                    Yeah, that's plainly the case. I certainly hope that is not the plan though. Can you imagine what would come next ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                      Wow! I'd love to see that too, but for the oposite reason of yours. It would be like trying to extinguish fire with gasoline. Americans would become radioactive in the middle-east for the next 20 years. You would have to say goodbye for cheap oil, goodbye to any influence in the region, ... Oh, well, it would be to good to be true. Even Bush can't be so crazy...:sigh: Dadinho é o caralho! Meu nome agora é Zé Pequeno, porra!
                      Leandro Firmino da Hora in the best movie[^] you'll ever see.

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                      So what made you dislike Americans so much? Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke

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                        Chris Losinger wrote:

                        if the goal is to simply destroy Iran, we're more than capable.

                        Yeah, that's plainly the case. I certainly hope that is not the plan though. Can you imagine what would come next ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                        Chris Losinger
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                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        Can you imagine what would come next ?

                        a string of crippled states right through the heart of the ME ? nothing bad could possibly come of that. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                        • S Stan Shannon

                          That would go over real well in the Islamic world! "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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                          kgaddy
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                          How would they know? We could do it really high in the air!

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                            Stan Shannon wrote:

                            While I, for one, would love to see the draft reinstituted,

                            Because you're too old for it ? :P

                            Stan Shannon wrote:

                            Most of the insurgents we are fighting are coming from those two countries, or getting their supplies from them, so Iraq would have a respite from most of the violence.

                            Can you be sure of that ? Is the army that's concentrated in Iraq really enough to spread out on the offensive through two other countries ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                            Stan Shannon
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                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            Because you're too old for it ?

                            My son isn't. He'll be 18 in about 14 months.

                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            Can you be sure of that ? Is the army that's concentrated in Iraq really enough to spread out on the offensive through two other countries ?

                            As Chris said, I'm merely talking about defeating them militarily. Frankly, I would defeat them than leave them to rebuild as they best see fit without us there. While they were recovering, Iraq would have a chance to form a solid political infrastructure. Factions in both Syria and Iran would see an example of a free and democratic Islamic nation and would be motivated to follow suit. A scenairo such as that is about the only hope I see for long term success in the region. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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                              Christian Graus wrote:

                              Can you imagine what would come next ?

                              a string of crippled states right through the heart of the ME ? nothing bad could possibly come of that. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                              Christian Graus
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                              Chris Losinger wrote:

                              a string of crippled states right through the heart of the ME ? nothing bad could possibly come of that.

                              I think that's near sighted thinking, but I could be wrong. You don't think that the response would be daily terrorist attacks on US soil ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                                Christian Graus wrote:

                                Because you're too old for it ?

                                My son isn't. He'll be 18 in about 14 months.

                                Christian Graus wrote:

                                Can you be sure of that ? Is the army that's concentrated in Iraq really enough to spread out on the offensive through two other countries ?

                                As Chris said, I'm merely talking about defeating them militarily. Frankly, I would defeat them than leave them to rebuild as they best see fit without us there. While they were recovering, Iraq would have a chance to form a solid political infrastructure. Factions in both Syria and Iran would see an example of a free and democratic Islamic nation and would be motivated to follow suit. A scenairo such as that is about the only hope I see for long term success in the region. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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                                Christian Graus
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                                Stan Shannon wrote:

                                My son isn't. He'll be 18 in about 14 months.

                                Fair enough. You win, and I am shamed to silence.

                                Stan Shannon wrote:

                                Frankly, I would defeat them than leave them to rebuild as they best see fit without us there.

                                Really ? What do you think they would seek to build ? I'd guess bombs and people to strap them to.

                                Stan Shannon wrote:

                                Factions in both Syria and Iran would see an example of a free and democratic Islamic nation and would be motivated to follow suit.

                                I think this is a pipe dream. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                                  Chris Losinger wrote:

                                  a string of crippled states right through the heart of the ME ? nothing bad could possibly come of that.

                                  I think that's near sighted thinking, but I could be wrong. You don't think that the response would be daily terrorist attacks on US soil ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                                  Chris Losinger
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                                  (guess my sarcasm wasn't as dripping as i thought) :) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    Because you're too old for it ?

                                    My son isn't. He'll be 18 in about 14 months.

                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    Can you be sure of that ? Is the army that's concentrated in Iraq really enough to spread out on the offensive through two other countries ?

                                    As Chris said, I'm merely talking about defeating them militarily. Frankly, I would defeat them than leave them to rebuild as they best see fit without us there. While they were recovering, Iraq would have a chance to form a solid political infrastructure. Factions in both Syria and Iran would see an example of a free and democratic Islamic nation and would be motivated to follow suit. A scenairo such as that is about the only hope I see for long term success in the region. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."

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                                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                                    My son isn't. He'll be 18 in about 14 months.

                                    cripes! I have a grandson who is finishing Marine bootcamp in a week. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon

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                                      (guess my sarcasm wasn't as dripping as i thought) :) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                                      Christian Graus
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                                      *grin* well, I was surprised to see that from you, I have to admit. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                                      • D Diego Moita

                                        Wow! I'd love to see that too, but for the oposite reason of yours. It would be like trying to extinguish fire with gasoline. Americans would become radioactive in the middle-east for the next 20 years. You would have to say goodbye for cheap oil, goodbye to any influence in the region, ... Oh, well, it would be to good to be true. Even Bush can't be so crazy...:sigh: Dadinho é o caralho! Meu nome agora é Zé Pequeno, porra!
                                        Leandro Firmino da Hora in the best movie[^] you'll ever see.

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                                        Diego Moita wrote:

                                        Wow! I'd love to see that too, but for the oposite reason of yours.

                                        Diego Moita wrote:

                                        It would be like trying to extinguish fire with gasoline. Americans would become radioactive in the middle-east for the next 20 years. You would have to say goodbye for cheap oil, goodbye to any influence in the region, ...

                                        Wow, I didm't realize you hated America so much. Let me ask you this, based on what you read (assuming you read the articles), do you think something should be done?

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                                          Stan Shannon wrote:

                                          My son isn't. He'll be 18 in about 14 months.

                                          Fair enough. You win, and I am shamed to silence.

                                          Stan Shannon wrote:

                                          Frankly, I would defeat them than leave them to rebuild as they best see fit without us there.

                                          Really ? What do you think they would seek to build ? I'd guess bombs and people to strap them to.

                                          Stan Shannon wrote:

                                          Factions in both Syria and Iran would see an example of a free and democratic Islamic nation and would be motivated to follow suit.

                                          I think this is a pipe dream. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

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                                          kgaddy
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                                          Christian Graus wrote:

                                          I'd guess bombs and people to strap them to.

                                          Well they are already doing that. What is the diffrence? THey already said they want to destroy Israel. What else do you need? A man is armed, he says he is going to shoot somebody. Do you not shoot him becasuse you fear his brother? Chances are his brother already hates you. I really do not understand this line of thinking.

                                          Christian Graus wrote:

                                          I think this is a pipe dream.

                                          This pipe dream came true in Lebanon.

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