which platforms for a new website?
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At the risk of starting a war, I'm looking for some input as to which platforms I should use if I were to start building a site from scratch. I've never really been into building websites - I typically build desktop apps. But now I finally have an idea that I'd like to try, but I have no idea which platforms I should be using. I think the answer so far is, "that depends", so here's a little more detail: - This site would require users to register and login to use the site. - There would be a fairly complex database behind the scenes. - This would need to show lots of dynamic content. I think that's all I can really say right now, because I just don't know enough about it yet. So I guess in general, coming from a desktop guy who wants to learn something new and valuable (and potentially have a site that people would want to use), which technologies should I go with? MySql and ASP or ASP .NET, or php etc...? Any other database I should think about? Any thoughts? Can anyone suggest some reading to get my familiar with the new web technologies? Thanks! Marcus Spitzmiller "Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail at every attempt at masonry?" - Homer
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At the risk of starting a war, I'm looking for some input as to which platforms I should use if I were to start building a site from scratch. I've never really been into building websites - I typically build desktop apps. But now I finally have an idea that I'd like to try, but I have no idea which platforms I should be using. I think the answer so far is, "that depends", so here's a little more detail: - This site would require users to register and login to use the site. - There would be a fairly complex database behind the scenes. - This would need to show lots of dynamic content. I think that's all I can really say right now, because I just don't know enough about it yet. So I guess in general, coming from a desktop guy who wants to learn something new and valuable (and potentially have a site that people would want to use), which technologies should I go with? MySql and ASP or ASP .NET, or php etc...? Any other database I should think about? Any thoughts? Can anyone suggest some reading to get my familiar with the new web technologies? Thanks! Marcus Spitzmiller "Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail at every attempt at masonry?" - Homer
Years ago I made websites in PHP. Then I discovered ASP.NET. PHP was over. Now I build sites in ASP.NET only, using Access DBs in low-cost configurations, otherwise I use MySQL (but I don't like it). The best is SQL Server 2005! Don't forget ASP.NET is far, far, far, far faster than PHP, especially for complex websites. Usually with ASP.NET the bottle-neck is the DB. So, I really hate PHP, because it's too old-style, it's OO but not so much, when you have to read data from a DB you must use some odd functions, and so on. ASP.NET is very the best. You should consider to learn directly ASP.NET 2.0... The only problem with ASP.NET is that, usually, the hosting costs much. You'll never find some free-hoster that supports ASP.NET, but only PHP. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] SETI@home Team: U-SETI@Polimi
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Years ago I made websites in PHP. Then I discovered ASP.NET. PHP was over. Now I build sites in ASP.NET only, using Access DBs in low-cost configurations, otherwise I use MySQL (but I don't like it). The best is SQL Server 2005! Don't forget ASP.NET is far, far, far, far faster than PHP, especially for complex websites. Usually with ASP.NET the bottle-neck is the DB. So, I really hate PHP, because it's too old-style, it's OO but not so much, when you have to read data from a DB you must use some odd functions, and so on. ASP.NET is very the best. You should consider to learn directly ASP.NET 2.0... The only problem with ASP.NET is that, usually, the hosting costs much. You'll never find some free-hoster that supports ASP.NET, but only PHP. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] SETI@home Team: U-SETI@Polimi
Dario Solera wrote:
The only problem with ASP.NET is that, usually, the hosting costs much.
I know of at least one reasonably priced hosting provider: http://www.webhost4life.com/[^] Jon Sagara Look at him. He runs like a Welshman. Doesn't he run like a Welshman? Doesn't he? I think he runs like a Welshman. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
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At the risk of starting a war, I'm looking for some input as to which platforms I should use if I were to start building a site from scratch. I've never really been into building websites - I typically build desktop apps. But now I finally have an idea that I'd like to try, but I have no idea which platforms I should be using. I think the answer so far is, "that depends", so here's a little more detail: - This site would require users to register and login to use the site. - There would be a fairly complex database behind the scenes. - This would need to show lots of dynamic content. I think that's all I can really say right now, because I just don't know enough about it yet. So I guess in general, coming from a desktop guy who wants to learn something new and valuable (and potentially have a site that people would want to use), which technologies should I go with? MySql and ASP or ASP .NET, or php etc...? Any other database I should think about? Any thoughts? Can anyone suggest some reading to get my familiar with the new web technologies? Thanks! Marcus Spitzmiller "Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail at every attempt at masonry?" - Homer
My bread and butter is ASP.NET 2.0 with SQL Server 2000 on the back end. Some others swear by Ruby on Rails[^], but I have never used it. Mr. Watson can evangelize further. ;P Jon Sagara Look at him. He runs like a Welshman. Doesn't he run like a Welshman? Doesn't he? I think he runs like a Welshman. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
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Dario Solera wrote:
The only problem with ASP.NET is that, usually, the hosting costs much.
I know of at least one reasonably priced hosting provider: http://www.webhost4life.com/[^] Jon Sagara Look at him. He runs like a Welshman. Doesn't he run like a Welshman? Doesn't he? I think he runs like a Welshman. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
That's really interesting! But my hoster is better... at a lower cost. Now you're going to ask 'whats' your hoster?' Aruba.it The first (or second...) Italian hoster. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] SETI@home Team: U-SETI@Polimi
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That's really interesting! But my hoster is better... at a lower cost. Now you're going to ask 'whats' your hoster?' Aruba.it The first (or second...) Italian hoster. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] SETI@home Team: U-SETI@Polimi
Dario Solera wrote:
Now you're going to ask 'whats' your hoster?'
Nah. I have a dedicated server. :-D Jon Sagara Look at him. He runs like a Welshman. Doesn't he run like a Welshman? Doesn't he? I think he runs like a Welshman. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
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Years ago I made websites in PHP. Then I discovered ASP.NET. PHP was over. Now I build sites in ASP.NET only, using Access DBs in low-cost configurations, otherwise I use MySQL (but I don't like it). The best is SQL Server 2005! Don't forget ASP.NET is far, far, far, far faster than PHP, especially for complex websites. Usually with ASP.NET the bottle-neck is the DB. So, I really hate PHP, because it's too old-style, it's OO but not so much, when you have to read data from a DB you must use some odd functions, and so on. ASP.NET is very the best. You should consider to learn directly ASP.NET 2.0... The only problem with ASP.NET is that, usually, the hosting costs much. You'll never find some free-hoster that supports ASP.NET, but only PHP. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] SETI@home Team: U-SETI@Polimi
Dario Solera wrote:
Don't forget ASP.NET is far, far, far, far faster than PHP, especially for complex websites. Usually with ASP.NET the bottle-neck is the DB.
Clearly you have no idea what your talking about ;P Just kidding But...PHP does have the Zend Optimizer[^] Which i'm willing bet would equal the speed of .NET if not surpass it...
Dario Solera wrote:
So, I really hate PHP, because it's too old-style, it's OO but not so much, when you have to read data from a DB you must use some odd functions, and so on.
Again I have to disagree... Yes PHP has builtin support for mysql...which is actually a nice thing sometimes... But there are database abstraction classes available, some even emulate the windows world look at: AdoDB[^] Heck there are even frameworks which you can use to emulate ASP.NET component development... There are templating systems, you name it!!! Everything under the sun to get the job done - the right way!!! The only edge .NET has over PHP is the available IDE's... PHP programmers are forced to use (at times) a combination of tools... I use UltraEdit though and I gotta say it kicks some a$$... Other than that, I'd say PHP probably takes the cake in every other department... :cool: It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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My bread and butter is ASP.NET 2.0 with SQL Server 2000 on the back end. Some others swear by Ruby on Rails[^], but I have never used it. Mr. Watson can evangelize further. ;P Jon Sagara Look at him. He runs like a Welshman. Doesn't he run like a Welshman? Doesn't he? I think he runs like a Welshman. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
:laugh: I evangelize tools which Ruby on Rails is one of many. Use the right tool :) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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At the risk of starting a war, I'm looking for some input as to which platforms I should use if I were to start building a site from scratch. I've never really been into building websites - I typically build desktop apps. But now I finally have an idea that I'd like to try, but I have no idea which platforms I should be using. I think the answer so far is, "that depends", so here's a little more detail: - This site would require users to register and login to use the site. - There would be a fairly complex database behind the scenes. - This would need to show lots of dynamic content. I think that's all I can really say right now, because I just don't know enough about it yet. So I guess in general, coming from a desktop guy who wants to learn something new and valuable (and potentially have a site that people would want to use), which technologies should I go with? MySql and ASP or ASP .NET, or php etc...? Any other database I should think about? Any thoughts? Can anyone suggest some reading to get my familiar with the new web technologies? Thanks! Marcus Spitzmiller "Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail at every attempt at masonry?" - Homer
You haven't given us enough information to recommend one technology. The three technologies I think you should look into are: - ASP.NET with a MS SQL Server db - PHP 5 with a MySQL db - Ruby on Rails with a MySQL db Also remember you need to take into account your own skills. It is no good being a C# guy and then doing PHP when you could be doing ASP.NET. You'll make a better site with a technology you know even if it was for desktops. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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At the risk of starting a war, I'm looking for some input as to which platforms I should use if I were to start building a site from scratch. I've never really been into building websites - I typically build desktop apps. But now I finally have an idea that I'd like to try, but I have no idea which platforms I should be using. I think the answer so far is, "that depends", so here's a little more detail: - This site would require users to register and login to use the site. - There would be a fairly complex database behind the scenes. - This would need to show lots of dynamic content. I think that's all I can really say right now, because I just don't know enough about it yet. So I guess in general, coming from a desktop guy who wants to learn something new and valuable (and potentially have a site that people would want to use), which technologies should I go with? MySql and ASP or ASP .NET, or php etc...? Any other database I should think about? Any thoughts? Can anyone suggest some reading to get my familiar with the new web technologies? Thanks! Marcus Spitzmiller "Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail at every attempt at masonry?" - Homer
It depends on your skills, but I would definitely recommend ASP.NET 2.0 with SQL Server 2005 (Express if you need it free). It really is awesome! :) -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
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You haven't given us enough information to recommend one technology. The three technologies I think you should look into are: - ASP.NET with a MS SQL Server db - PHP 5 with a MySQL db - Ruby on Rails with a MySQL db Also remember you need to take into account your own skills. It is no good being a C# guy and then doing PHP when you could be doing ASP.NET. You'll make a better site with a technology you know even if it was for desktops. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Yeah - I didn't think I really had given enough info, but these are good suggestions nevertheless. I'm a c++ kind of guy with a little bit of exposure to c# - so I think the asp .net route is probably going to work best for me. Thanks again! Marcus Spitzmiller "Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail at every attempt at masonry?" - Homer
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It depends on your skills, but I would definitely recommend ASP.NET 2.0 with SQL Server 2005 (Express if you need it free). It really is awesome! :) -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
This seems to be what lots of folks are saying, and I think this is a good fit for me. I'm downloading SQL Server Express right now. I've kind of fallen out of the loop lately in terms of the tools that are available to me these days, so is there some sort of 'express' edition where I can do the ASP .NET 2.0 side of things, too? Marcus Spitzmiller "Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail at every attempt at masonry?" - Homer
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This seems to be what lots of folks are saying, and I think this is a good fit for me. I'm downloading SQL Server Express right now. I've kind of fallen out of the loop lately in terms of the tools that are available to me these days, so is there some sort of 'express' edition where I can do the ASP .NET 2.0 side of things, too? Marcus Spitzmiller "Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail at every attempt at masonry?" - Homer
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At the risk of starting a war, I'm looking for some input as to which platforms I should use if I were to start building a site from scratch. I've never really been into building websites - I typically build desktop apps. But now I finally have an idea that I'd like to try, but I have no idea which platforms I should be using. I think the answer so far is, "that depends", so here's a little more detail: - This site would require users to register and login to use the site. - There would be a fairly complex database behind the scenes. - This would need to show lots of dynamic content. I think that's all I can really say right now, because I just don't know enough about it yet. So I guess in general, coming from a desktop guy who wants to learn something new and valuable (and potentially have a site that people would want to use), which technologies should I go with? MySql and ASP or ASP .NET, or php etc...? Any other database I should think about? Any thoughts? Can anyone suggest some reading to get my familiar with the new web technologies? Thanks! Marcus Spitzmiller "Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail at every attempt at masonry?" - Homer
Ruby On Rails, definately. I've read a lot about it lately and it's awesome. Although I haven't coded in it yet, I'll give it a shot soon. Carl Mercier Geek entrepreneurs, visit my blog! [^]
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Years ago I made websites in PHP. Then I discovered ASP.NET. PHP was over. Now I build sites in ASP.NET only, using Access DBs in low-cost configurations, otherwise I use MySQL (but I don't like it). The best is SQL Server 2005! Don't forget ASP.NET is far, far, far, far faster than PHP, especially for complex websites. Usually with ASP.NET the bottle-neck is the DB. So, I really hate PHP, because it's too old-style, it's OO but not so much, when you have to read data from a DB you must use some odd functions, and so on. ASP.NET is very the best. You should consider to learn directly ASP.NET 2.0... The only problem with ASP.NET is that, usually, the hosting costs much. You'll never find some free-hoster that supports ASP.NET, but only PHP. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] SETI@home Team: U-SETI@Polimi
Dario Solera wrote:
Years ago I made websites in PHP. Then I discovered ASP.NET. PHP was over.
Well php has come a long way since years ago. php 5 is a good example.
Dario Solera wrote:
Don't forget ASP.NET is far, far, far, far faster than PHP, especially for complex websites. Usually with ASP.NET the bottle-neck is the DB.
It all depends on how good the developer is. asp.net is great but I wouldn't say it's faster. I've developed sites that run faster in php than asp.net. I prefer php but also like working with asp.net. Bottlenecks, depends on what type db type your using and how you retrieve information or write to it.
Dario Solera wrote:
So, I really hate PHP, because it's too old-style, it's OO but not so much, when you have to read data from a DB you must use some odd functions, and so on.
I have to disagree. How you put that means you were either not very comfortable with the language or you just didn't understand it and needed something easy which brings asp.net in view. In my opinion I feel like I'm working in vb when coding asp but I like coding in it for projects. I like both php and asp.net to let you know.
Dario Solera wrote:
ASP.NET is very the best. You should consider to learn directly ASP.NET 2.0...
It all comes down to what you prefer for the project at hand and as well the interest of the client. Many prefer asp.net cause of the wysiwyg ide's and wizards that make the coding process as easy as pie making development time faster using the mouse more than the keyboard.
Dario Solera wrote:
The only problem with ASP.NET is that, usually, the hosting costs much. You'll never find some free-hoster that supports ASP.NET, but only PHP.
asp.net has its problems. There are many affordable and cheap hosting plans for asp.net support out there. ================================================================= In the end it's what you prefer, either a wysiwyg ide(asp.net)with less hands on and more mouse use and wizards or hands on code(regular editor or zend ide). The zend ide which I use speeds up development and debugging. You can still use a wysiwyg editor for your html or xhtml needs if that's how you design. I agree with what hockey said in his reply and gave him a 5 vot
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Dario Solera wrote:
Years ago I made websites in PHP. Then I discovered ASP.NET. PHP was over.
Well php has come a long way since years ago. php 5 is a good example.
Dario Solera wrote:
Don't forget ASP.NET is far, far, far, far faster than PHP, especially for complex websites. Usually with ASP.NET the bottle-neck is the DB.
It all depends on how good the developer is. asp.net is great but I wouldn't say it's faster. I've developed sites that run faster in php than asp.net. I prefer php but also like working with asp.net. Bottlenecks, depends on what type db type your using and how you retrieve information or write to it.
Dario Solera wrote:
So, I really hate PHP, because it's too old-style, it's OO but not so much, when you have to read data from a DB you must use some odd functions, and so on.
I have to disagree. How you put that means you were either not very comfortable with the language or you just didn't understand it and needed something easy which brings asp.net in view. In my opinion I feel like I'm working in vb when coding asp but I like coding in it for projects. I like both php and asp.net to let you know.
Dario Solera wrote:
ASP.NET is very the best. You should consider to learn directly ASP.NET 2.0...
It all comes down to what you prefer for the project at hand and as well the interest of the client. Many prefer asp.net cause of the wysiwyg ide's and wizards that make the coding process as easy as pie making development time faster using the mouse more than the keyboard.
Dario Solera wrote:
The only problem with ASP.NET is that, usually, the hosting costs much. You'll never find some free-hoster that supports ASP.NET, but only PHP.
asp.net has its problems. There are many affordable and cheap hosting plans for asp.net support out there. ================================================================= In the end it's what you prefer, either a wysiwyg ide(asp.net)with less hands on and more mouse use and wizards or hands on code(regular editor or zend ide). The zend ide which I use speeds up development and debugging. You can still use a wysiwyg editor for your html or xhtml needs if that's how you design. I agree with what hockey said in his reply and gave him a 5 vot
DerMeister wrote:
Well php has come a long way since years ago. php 5 is a good example.
Actually I learned PHP5 about 2 years ago. The performance are really hard to be compared. Anyway, since ASP.NET is compiled in native-code (in memory) it *is* faster than any other interpreted language, such as PHP. Yes, you're right, it all depends on the DB you use... When I develop websites in ASP.NET that use many data from a DB, I usually create a 'cache' layer, that increases (you can't imagine how much!) performances. This point is the best difference between PHP and ASP.NET: the possibility to keep in memory some data, even between 2 or more requests. This keep simple creating features like online-users counters, in-memory cache layers, and definitely everything you want. I have to use the IDE only to code the events in the page (button clicks, ...). I write manually all the rest of the HTML, because VS2003 isn't able to write W3C standards compliant code. And I hate it for this. It seems VS2005 is much better about W3C standards. So, ASP.NET can be very slow, like any other OO language, but if you are just a little smart, it's very performant. Obviously these are only my opinions. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] SETI@home Team: U-SETI@Polimi
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DerMeister wrote:
Well php has come a long way since years ago. php 5 is a good example.
Actually I learned PHP5 about 2 years ago. The performance are really hard to be compared. Anyway, since ASP.NET is compiled in native-code (in memory) it *is* faster than any other interpreted language, such as PHP. Yes, you're right, it all depends on the DB you use... When I develop websites in ASP.NET that use many data from a DB, I usually create a 'cache' layer, that increases (you can't imagine how much!) performances. This point is the best difference between PHP and ASP.NET: the possibility to keep in memory some data, even between 2 or more requests. This keep simple creating features like online-users counters, in-memory cache layers, and definitely everything you want. I have to use the IDE only to code the events in the page (button clicks, ...). I write manually all the rest of the HTML, because VS2003 isn't able to write W3C standards compliant code. And I hate it for this. It seems VS2005 is much better about W3C standards. So, ASP.NET can be very slow, like any other OO language, but if you are just a little smart, it's very performant. Obviously these are only my opinions. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] SETI@home Team: U-SETI@Polimi
have you tried or heard of any of these perhaps eaccelerator is what i use since it works well along zend optimizer. i can control the cache right through my browser, great statistics. http://eaccelerator.net/[^] http://www.php-accelerator.co.uk/[^] http://pecl.php.net/package/APC[^]