Avant Browser - pros and cons
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code-frog wrote:
The one thing Avant has the way kicks but over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT
SessionSaver[^] :)
code-frog wrote:
I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory
:omg: Holy crap. That's another thing I don't particularly like about Avant...it seemed to me to use up a crapload more memory than it should have. But that was a while ago.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
I figured FF would come out with a script for that sooner or later. FF uses a hell of a lot more memory than that. I've caught FF using 2 gigs+ on multiple occassions. I open FF when I need to and close it when I'm done. - Rex
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Quartz... wrote:
Nothing wrong to give it a try !
I have. :) I didn't like it. Too cluttered. Plus, it's still based on IE, which I despise.
Quartz... wrote:
i would definetly say its better than IE or enhanced IE...
Oh definitely! It's a hundred times better than IE. IE hasn't been updated in any major way for a very long time. The shells like Avant Browser or Maxthon give you so many more features that IE should have. But, just like the browser UI hasn't been updated, neither has the rendering engine that parses the websites and displays them. This is the part that is in most need of repair...and the IE team knows that. It'll be nice to see some more support for standards like CSS 2 go into IE7.
One of the huge reasons I love Firefox is the fact that the development of it moves much faster than IE does. There's also the incredible Extension platform that Firefox has for things like GreaseMonkey or mouse gestures (those are like crack...so addicting).
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
David Stone wrote:
Plus, it's still based on IE, which I despise
Do you have a specific reason for not using IE? Do you just dislike the MSHTML engine? Are you a slave to to standards*? Maybe you just dislike Closed Source Software? Do these questions seem familiar? * And before you start on too much about standards support, let's not forget that a lot of the advances in web browsing are because the standards were not adhered to, not in spite of it (tables and Netscape being an obvious example)
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That's another great thing i discovered i am just finding new features every day in Avant and i am loving it. you can imagine my happiness when i even went to the paypal to donate to the developer (than thought i have never did this before :laugh: for any otehr application ) i mean that Mr. Anderson must be a genius to make something so close to what a developer wants, that out of utter enjoyment you even want to donate. and Hiding all to the system tray in One click is also my favorite, IE is horrible in that. Yahoo search and the Similar websites that's are the firs to ditch then after customizing all the buttons, links, menus, removing what all are unnecessary gives you a simple interface at the end "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
It's a nice development tool. I have to agree with you there. I really enjoy it.
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I've used Avant exclusively and been extremely happy. I've developed some habits to make it easier. First off I ditch Yahoo search it sucks. In the Avant browser miscellaneous options you can enable the Google Toolbar and that's perfect for me. I change the default search to Google and I close the Yahoo toolbar all together. The other thing I do is go into the Feeds->Organize Feeds and I delete all the RSS crap it preloads into their. I don't need it as an RSS reader so I don't use it for that. The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT I use my browser as a tool and I like it to save stuff I was referring to when I have to restart. It's an awesome tool. If you have more questions about it let me know. It beats the pants off firefox and that's about all there is too it. I have firefox and I use it the biggest thing for me is it won't save my opened pages for me. That's just lame. So I'm all about Avant and very happy with it. Crashing??? Upgrade. I've not had an avant browser crash in geeeeez, a long time and I abuse the crap out of it. I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory then close them all at once. It's been stable for me. But I'm a damned genius!:laugh: - Rex
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-- modified at 18:34 Monday 5th December, 2005
code-frog wrote:
The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT
I have that turned on automatically. I only have 1 row of toolbars. And I make X minimise rather than close, alot faster (but sometimes have silly caching issues). :) If you leave it open for a while, it tends to eat up memory. xacc.ide-0.1 released! Download and screenshots
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It just doesn't feel right to me. What annoys:
- There's a number of UI inconsistencies (a particular bugbear of mine)
- It doesn't import cookies properly (it broke some "saved logon" sites)
- It doesn't hande CP's menus or quote selected text feature
What really annoys: This is a quote from the "Report a broken web site" feature
This tool allows you to tell the Evangelism Team about web sites that do not work properly in Firefox
The clear implication here is that if Firefox does not render a site properly, it's the fault of the web site. Seems arrogant to me. What I find funny: (from the install log)
Components corrupted (startup): noney‚|
Destination Path:
Main: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox
SubPath:I got a real giggle from the fact that there's clearly some corruption in the file :doh:
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
There's a number of UI inconsistencies (a particular bugbear of mine)
I haven't noticed them. Would you mind pointing them out?
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
It doesn't import cookies properly (it broke some "saved logon" sites)
Also something I haven't noticed. Works fine for me every time.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
It doesn't hande CP's menus or quote selected text feature
The menu issue was weird. And the QST feature does look like a regression between 1.0.x and 1.5. However, Shog and I both sent Chris a workaround, so it should be fixed pretty soon here.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
The clear implication here is that if Firefox does not render a site properly, it's the fault of the web site.
Actually, it usually is. Most websites that don't work in Firefox blindly code for things like document.all support (which the W3C does not specify in the HTML specs, but the IE devs "helpfully" added) or have non-standard Javascript that relies on DOM features that aren't guaranteed to be there. The DOM that IE exposes is different in enough ways than the DOM for Firefox that if you only code for IE, you've pretty much screwed over the Firefox users of your site. And the Reporter is there so that the Mozilla Foundation can work with companies whose websites don't work in Firefox and help the get the website "fixed" so it works in Firefox too. I don't think that's arrogance...any more so than web developers who blindly assume all their users will be IE users.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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I've used Avant exclusively and been extremely happy. I've developed some habits to make it easier. First off I ditch Yahoo search it sucks. In the Avant browser miscellaneous options you can enable the Google Toolbar and that's perfect for me. I change the default search to Google and I close the Yahoo toolbar all together. The other thing I do is go into the Feeds->Organize Feeds and I delete all the RSS crap it preloads into their. I don't need it as an RSS reader so I don't use it for that. The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT I use my browser as a tool and I like it to save stuff I was referring to when I have to restart. It's an awesome tool. If you have more questions about it let me know. It beats the pants off firefox and that's about all there is too it. I have firefox and I use it the biggest thing for me is it won't save my opened pages for me. That's just lame. So I'm all about Avant and very happy with it. Crashing??? Upgrade. I've not had an avant browser crash in geeeeez, a long time and I abuse the crap out of it. I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory then close them all at once. It's been stable for me. But I'm a damned genius!:laugh: - Rex
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-- modified at 18:34 Monday 5th December, 2005
code-frog wrote: The one thing Avant has the way kicks but over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT If you want that feature in FireFox: you can install this. It adds that feature and more. The developer of the extensions mentions that it is unstable, but I haven't had any problems and I'll routinely have over 50 tabs open without issue. http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/tabextensions/index.html.en[^]
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Quartz... wrote:
Nothing wrong to give it a try !
I have. :) I didn't like it. Too cluttered. Plus, it's still based on IE, which I despise.
Quartz... wrote:
i would definetly say its better than IE or enhanced IE...
Oh definitely! It's a hundred times better than IE. IE hasn't been updated in any major way for a very long time. The shells like Avant Browser or Maxthon give you so many more features that IE should have. But, just like the browser UI hasn't been updated, neither has the rendering engine that parses the websites and displays them. This is the part that is in most need of repair...and the IE team knows that. It'll be nice to see some more support for standards like CSS 2 go into IE7.
One of the huge reasons I love Firefox is the fact that the development of it moves much faster than IE does. There's also the incredible Extension platform that Firefox has for things like GreaseMonkey or mouse gestures (those are like crack...so addicting).
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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I know FireFox users hate IE (not the IE users i presume :) ) I tried avant browser after a message by Marc here[^]and i am finding it with loads of extended features which IE users always wanted to have at a single place. I would say its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated interface,due to enhanced feature list, but for IE users this adds an immense features all IE users always wanted. 1st the "The Con's " 1. Seems to be too cluttered (Firefox or IE Interface is much simpler) 2. Somebody said it crashes (but not till now i have used it for three days) 3. It is 100% based on Internet Explorer, it actually extends the IE using inbuilt BHO. 4. There are two tabs which are really horrible a> Yahoo search tab (may be somebody find it useful but you can hide it) b> Similar website (This one actually is a bit cluttery one you might see you can hide this one too ) might show a set of squares as if loading something 5. I am not sure about this one but i am unable to use the Answers.com toolbar in Avant. ( may be i have to reinstall it) 6..Add your cons here...... The Pro's 1. Tabbed browsing 2. Based on IE - Works on all the websites where IE works 3. In built Google search tab 4. you don't have to import/export anything everything in IE is automatically there 5. One cick- you can hide/ close all the browsers to the system tray 6. One click all features of tabbed browsing, 7. And yes it is faster than IE 8. capable to Block "In the page " Flash or even image Ads in the page 9. Zoom in zoom out any image in the page 10. mouseover text in the page and a floating option of search etc. 11. Feeds Menu like favorite menu 12. And Ofcourse the Cool Skins.... 13..Add your pros here....... For all the IE users its bliss. Friends, Romans and all the fellow FF users please don't shoot me for using extended IE like browser, we can live side by side :) "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 18:01 Monday 5th December, 2005
If you don't deal with HTML and web development often then IE is just fine. One thing you should appreciate about Firefox and the number one reason I use it whenever I can is that it has brought competition back to the browser market.
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If you don't deal with HTML and web development often then IE is just fine. One thing you should appreciate about Firefox and the number one reason I use it whenever I can is that it has brought competition back to the browser market.
Yeah, I've got Firefox, Netscape and Opera installed. I use them all for testing. I think I just like the fact that a lot of stuff I use works correctly in I.E. but not Firefox. I think Firefox is a good way to go I just don't think it's mainstream. I cannot recommend it to my clients. I get to many complaints about sites not working. Firefox is only a tool for savvy users which in my book means it will never be a real threat. I know you say that it adheres to standards and all that is fine the trouble is I.E. has it's own standard and 90% of the world uses that standard so it makes me wonder what's better. Confusing the hell out of my users by going standards compliant or giving my users something that works 100% of the time. For me it's a no-brainer and a cost savings to recommend I.E. over FF. Admittedly if you are a web developer FF is a great web development tool. There's just now way around that at all. - Rex
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I've used Avant exclusively and been extremely happy. I've developed some habits to make it easier. First off I ditch Yahoo search it sucks. In the Avant browser miscellaneous options you can enable the Google Toolbar and that's perfect for me. I change the default search to Google and I close the Yahoo toolbar all together. The other thing I do is go into the Feeds->Organize Feeds and I delete all the RSS crap it preloads into their. I don't need it as an RSS reader so I don't use it for that. The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT I use my browser as a tool and I like it to save stuff I was referring to when I have to restart. It's an awesome tool. If you have more questions about it let me know. It beats the pants off firefox and that's about all there is too it. I have firefox and I use it the biggest thing for me is it won't save my opened pages for me. That's just lame. So I'm all about Avant and very happy with it. Crashing??? Upgrade. I've not had an avant browser crash in geeeeez, a long time and I abuse the crap out of it. I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory then close them all at once. It's been stable for me. But I'm a damned genius!:laugh: - Rex
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-- modified at 18:34 Monday 5th December, 2005
code-frog wrote:
But I'm a damned genius
you did not mean damn genius right ;P The other thing i loved in IE was this Answers.com Toolbar , Is there a way to integrate that in Avant ? there should be some way since it is based on IE . "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
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David Stone wrote:
Plus, it's still based on IE, which I despise
Do you have a specific reason for not using IE? Do you just dislike the MSHTML engine? Are you a slave to to standards*? Maybe you just dislike Closed Source Software? Do these questions seem familiar? * And before you start on too much about standards support, let's not forget that a lot of the advances in web browsing are because the standards were not adhered to, not in spite of it (tables and Netscape being an obvious example)
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Do you have a specific reason for not using IE?
Yes. And I've mentioned them all before. For the sake of this discussion, I'll leave out web standards that are newer than IE 6 (as that would be unfair to IE...seeing how it hasn't had any opportunity to catch up in the 5 years since its last major release). Here are a few of the reasons I dislike IE:
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ActiveX. It's the primary vehicle for spyware/adware/crapware. I love the fact that, in Firefox, I can look up lyrics on a lyrics website and not get 9 billion dialogs asking me to install every ActiveX control known to man.
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I dislike the fact that IE 6 hasn't seen any major update for nearly 5 years. And you can't really call the XP SP2 stuff a major update.
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I dislike the fact that IE botches a lot of things in the CSS 2 model...despite CSS 2 having been standardized for quite some time now. (1998...7 years ago.) My favorite pet peeve is the fact that form elements cover floating divs. Nice.
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I dislike the fact that IE doesn't have tabbed browsing. Despite every other browser having had tabs for a very long time now. (Opera had 'em first. Props to them.)
So. There are just 4 things that I find irritating about IE. I have more...I just don't want to rant.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Do you just dislike the MSHTML engine?
Correct. See above.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Are you a slave to to standards*?
Nope. I don't mind it when people extend the standards (-moz-opacity, anybody? Mozilla has been actively extending CSS 3 for a while now.)...because that is where innovation comes from. I do like it when people implement the standard fully first. Especially something as crucial as CSS.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Maybe you just dislike Closed Source Software?
Um. No. I love Visual Studio. I love Office. I love .NET. I love Windows. I love VMWare Workstation. I love FeedDemon. I love all these really cool Closed Source applications. I am by no means an open source zealot. I just love Firefox too.
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Graham Bradshaw wrote:
There's a number of UI inconsistencies (a particular bugbear of mine)
I haven't noticed them. Would you mind pointing them out?
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
It doesn't import cookies properly (it broke some "saved logon" sites)
Also something I haven't noticed. Works fine for me every time.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
It doesn't hande CP's menus or quote selected text feature
The menu issue was weird. And the QST feature does look like a regression between 1.0.x and 1.5. However, Shog and I both sent Chris a workaround, so it should be fixed pretty soon here.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
The clear implication here is that if Firefox does not render a site properly, it's the fault of the web site.
Actually, it usually is. Most websites that don't work in Firefox blindly code for things like document.all support (which the W3C does not specify in the HTML specs, but the IE devs "helpfully" added) or have non-standard Javascript that relies on DOM features that aren't guaranteed to be there. The DOM that IE exposes is different in enough ways than the DOM for Firefox that if you only code for IE, you've pretty much screwed over the Firefox users of your site. And the Reporter is there so that the Mozilla Foundation can work with companies whose websites don't work in Firefox and help the get the website "fixed" so it works in Firefox too. I don't think that's arrogance...any more so than web developers who blindly assume all their users will be IE users.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
David Stone wrote:
I haven't noticed them. Would you mind pointing them out?
- Tools | Options | Content -> Colors the browse is non-standard for Windows
- Some resizable diaglogs have the resize "cue" bottom right, some don't
- Some pages have accelerators for tabs, some don't
- Not all controls have accelerators
- Some dialogs have a Help button, some don't.
- Tools | Options. Pick advanced section, pick security tab. Click Revocation lists, hit help. Read the helpful help text.
I've had FF downloaded for no more than half an hour, and I've found all those already...
David Stone wrote:
Actually, it usually is.
That's not my point. I'm not in a position to comment on the reasons. But, it's like writing error messages for any application. You never, ever blame the user, whether it's their fault or not.
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And besides all that, where would I be without my GreaseMonkey or my mouse gestures or my delicious extension or my Gmail Notifier or my Web Developer extension or my DOM inspector or Venkman...
Firefox is awesome. I can use a base install of Firefox all day long. But the extensions make it 100 billion times better.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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If you don't deal with HTML and web development often then IE is just fine. One thing you should appreciate about Firefox and the number one reason I use it whenever I can is that it has brought competition back to the browser market.
andy brummer wrote:
If you don't deal with HTML and web development often then IE is just fine.
Can you shed some more light on that. i do a lot of HTML, web development but normally stick to HTML tables and java scripts :) What is the difference ? , thanks "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
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Judah Himango wrote:
a lot of sites don't render right or don't function right
I've been using FF for a very long time. Since before it was called Firefox. (Or even Firebird). And I have to say, there are a few pages that don't work right. However, most of the pages I visit work perfectly in Firefox, especially since 1.0 was released and web devs have stepped up to the plate to make their sites work in it.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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It's kind of ironic, but just as we're talking about Firefox rendering issues, Firefox renders your post oddly: clickity[^]. Nevermind, looks like CodeProject is at fault here, as the same thing shows up in IE. Is it because I used the blockquote tag instead of the normal quote? Well, the quote button doesn't work in my current FF version. ;P
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Bought a House! Judah Himango
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David Stone wrote:
I haven't noticed them. Would you mind pointing them out?
- Tools | Options | Content -> Colors the browse is non-standard for Windows
- Some resizable diaglogs have the resize "cue" bottom right, some don't
- Some pages have accelerators for tabs, some don't
- Not all controls have accelerators
- Some dialogs have a Help button, some don't.
- Tools | Options. Pick advanced section, pick security tab. Click Revocation lists, hit help. Read the helpful help text.
I've had FF downloaded for no more than half an hour, and I've found all those already...
David Stone wrote:
Actually, it usually is.
That's not my point. I'm not in a position to comment on the reasons. But, it's like writing error messages for any application. You never, ever blame the user, whether it's their fault or not.
Excellent points about the UI.
With repsect to your comments about writing error messages and the Reporter...I'm thinking this is a bit different. The Mozilla Foundation isn't really blaming the user...they're blaming the content providers for providing IE only content...which, IMO, is where the blame needs to go. I don't think the blame should go on Mozilla, Apple, Opera, the KHTML folks, or anybody else for not providing rendering engines that act exactly like IE's. Web Devs who ignorantly assume that their user base is only going to hit their site with IE are the ones to blame. And there are ways to minimize the amount of double-coding necessary to support all of those browsers.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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Quartz... wrote:
its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated also due to enhanced feature list
:laugh::laugh: That is rich. That's possibly the most hilarious thing I've heard in quite a while...
Quartz... wrote:
The Pro's
That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does... :~
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox? Do you just dislike the Gecko engine? Are you not a big fan of standards? Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
David Stone wrote:
Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
Can't sleep, communists will eat me... :~
Calvin's my hero. It used to be Shog but then I saw where he made a programming mistake and admitted it publicly. I didn't know Shog made mistakes so now he's 2nd on "The All Time Hero List" and Calvin is back at #1. - code-frog, Calling Cookie Experts...
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It's kind of ironic, but just as we're talking about Firefox rendering issues, Firefox renders your post oddly: clickity[^]. Nevermind, looks like CodeProject is at fault here, as the same thing shows up in IE. Is it because I used the blockquote tag instead of the normal quote? Well, the quote button doesn't work in my current FF version. ;P
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Bought a House! Judah Himango
Naw, FF and CP are both innocent - David just can't get his HTML right... ;P
Calvin's my hero. It used to be Shog but then I saw where he made a programming mistake and admitted it publicly. I didn't know Shog made mistakes so now he's 2nd on "The All Time Hero List" and Calvin is back at #1. - code-frog, Calling Cookie Experts...
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It's kind of ironic, but just as we're talking about Firefox rendering issues, Firefox renders your post oddly: clickity[^]. Nevermind, looks like CodeProject is at fault here, as the same thing shows up in IE. Is it because I used the blockquote tag instead of the normal quote? Well, the quote button doesn't work in my current FF version. ;P
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Bought a House! Judah Himango
No...that's my fault. I'm goofing off with CPhog and I've been screwing up quotes for the past few days. ;P
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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Naw, FF and CP are both innocent - David just can't get his HTML right... ;P
Calvin's my hero. It used to be Shog but then I saw where he made a programming mistake and admitted it publicly. I didn't know Shog made mistakes so now he's 2nd on "The All Time Hero List" and Calvin is back at #1. - code-frog, Calling Cookie Experts...
Shhh...go away. Midas is making life a little more miserable than it should be. I had the damn quote problem fixed...and then I went and borked it again.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
