Here it comes!
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Ed K wrote:
They start filling up again!
That's not quite true. An oil field extends far past the actually area the easily extracted oil is removed from. Once an 'empty' well is capped and abandoned, the residual oil that extended into the surrounding rock seeps back into the emptied area. Some old wells have been reopened to remove this residual content. However, generally speaking, it is of a lower quality than the original content and hence needs additional refining capacity before coming to market - hence is more expensive. (Unless you have an alternative theory for the spontaneous gneration of oil)
Ed K wrote:
There is this thing called nature that just keeps on working with complete disregard to man.
Yes, but just because it disregards us, it doesn't necessarily follow that we can disregard it. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Reverend Satan wrote:
That's not quite true.
Oh yes it is true! The process that created the oil field continues whether you want to believe it or not.
Reverend Satan wrote:
necessarily follow that we can disregard it
Are you saying I'm disregarding nature. :| Sounds more like you are. :suss: ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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fat_boy wrote:
You thought youd go in, take out Sadam, be welcomed as heroes, put in place a puppet government and secure the largest oil reserve in the world for sale in dollars, at a price suiting you.
Where did you get that idea? The US has always wanted to go in and and leave. And secure oil for a price suiting the US???? Where did you read that? proof please. Or is that just a feeling you have based on no truth.
fat_boy wrote:
Ha ha! You f***ed up big time. What a bunch of naive idiots you have in government!
What are you talking about? Our goverment has ALWAYS said it woould be hard. YOU are naive to think any diffrent.
fat_boy wrote:
You are NEVER going to get out of Iraq.If you do, all the oil in the east will go to Iran. Or some Shia like break away country like Iran. You might still get favourable treatment from the Kurds though, so you might be able to control Kirkuk!
Ok, lets talk in 5-10 years and see what happens. Til then it all conjecture.
fat_boy wrote:
But then Turkey might invade if the Kurds break away from Baghdad. What a f***ing disaster, you are in a right mess.
A mess that HAD to be confronted. Too bad the US is the only country willing to step up for the job.
kgaddy wrote:
go in and and leave
Bollocks. PNAC clearly states it wants more military bases in the middle east. You never had any intention of leaving.
kgaddy wrote:
secure oil for a price suiting the US
What are you going to do, sell it to yourselves at an inflated price?
kgaddy wrote:
it woould be hard
Yeah, but its even harder than they thought, correct?
kgaddy wrote:
lets talk in 5-10 years
If you pull out the place is gauranteed to break into two or three regions. the SHias will definitely split from the Sunis, they hate each other. The Kurds might stay with the Sunis, it depends on Turkey, and how much they are prepared to do to stop a seperate Kurdistan.
kgaddy wrote:
A mess that HAD to be confronted
Why, Sadam was no threat. He was due to die in a few years. Perhaps an acceptable pro west government would have formed. After all, Sadam was once acceptable pro west wasnt he? Nunc est bibendum
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kgaddy wrote:
go in and and leave
Bollocks. PNAC clearly states it wants more military bases in the middle east. You never had any intention of leaving.
kgaddy wrote:
secure oil for a price suiting the US
What are you going to do, sell it to yourselves at an inflated price?
kgaddy wrote:
it woould be hard
Yeah, but its even harder than they thought, correct?
kgaddy wrote:
lets talk in 5-10 years
If you pull out the place is gauranteed to break into two or three regions. the SHias will definitely split from the Sunis, they hate each other. The Kurds might stay with the Sunis, it depends on Turkey, and how much they are prepared to do to stop a seperate Kurdistan.
kgaddy wrote:
A mess that HAD to be confronted
Why, Sadam was no threat. He was due to die in a few years. Perhaps an acceptable pro west government would have formed. After all, Sadam was once acceptable pro west wasnt he? Nunc est bibendum
Are you saying PNAC is official US policy???
fat_boy wrote:
What are you going to do, sell it to yourselves at an inflated price?
Well if we controll it I could see your point but how could we sell it if we do not own it??? Show me proof thta 1) the US is in control of the oil and 2) selling it at a cheap price to US oil companies.
fat_boy wrote:
If you pull out the place is gauranteed to break into two or three regions.
gauranteed? whatever.
fat_boy wrote:
Why, Sadam was no threat. He was due to die in a few years.
I cannot believe I'm hearing this. Do you have knowledge that he was going to die? Unbelievable.
fat_boy wrote:
Perhaps an acceptable pro west government would have formed.
What, one acceptable to him?
fat_boy wrote:
After all, Sadam was once acceptable pro west wasnt he?
So was Hitler, does not mean anyone would think he would turn back into a good guy. This conversation is taking a surreal turn. Do you really believe this stuff?
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Exactly why everyone wants to move over there
No Sir :) Not everybody wants to sell his/her soul to the golden calf.
Tiefe Wasser sind nicht still Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote:
Not everybody wants to sell his/her soul to the golden calf.
And the Golden Calf doesn't want everybody either. Richard Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Michel Prévost wrote:
There is probably a whole bunch of reasons why the US does not want to sign the Treaty,but the current administration is not known to be willing to make an effort to fight pollution, in fact, Bush has been denying global warming (he may have changed his mind since then, though).
Just my opinion, but I'm not convinced it all man's doing. The climate has changed without the help of man in the past on a frequent basis. I think the jury is still out on this one. BTW, here is St. Louis, its cold as hell. I wish there was a little global warming over here.
kgaddy wrote:
here is St. Louis, its cold as hell.
Hmmmm. All the data I can collect on Hell indicated that it has the ultimate in heating systems and is a real hot place to go. I believe in Global something. In Dallas last Saturday it was 90 F. This morning it was 17F ( Thursday) and its supposed to be 60F on Saturday. I say Mother Nature is pissed and treaties, meetings, knashing of heads, sacrifice, and other forms of appeasement are necessary. I predict earthquakes, floods, fires, and famine in the future. I am going to form the Church Of Mother Nature Inc.( a non profit - almost - organization ) that will co-ordinate with the Powers That Be in reversing this. All for a small - yet to be determined - fee. This fee will pay for the Church - the church founder's porche and wardrobe - and transportation to the worlds hot spots for prayer and meditation. Such hot spots as Hawaii, Mexico, Bahama, etc.. SOmeone has got to do it. Richard THFIC Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Reverend Satan wrote:
That's not quite true.
Oh yes it is true! The process that created the oil field continues whether you want to believe it or not.
Reverend Satan wrote:
necessarily follow that we can disregard it
Are you saying I'm disregarding nature. :| Sounds more like you are. :suss: ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
Ed K wrote:
The process that created the oil field continues whether you want to believe it or not.
And what is that process? "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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kgaddy wrote:
here is St. Louis, its cold as hell.
Hmmmm. All the data I can collect on Hell indicated that it has the ultimate in heating systems and is a real hot place to go. I believe in Global something. In Dallas last Saturday it was 90 F. This morning it was 17F ( Thursday) and its supposed to be 60F on Saturday. I say Mother Nature is pissed and treaties, meetings, knashing of heads, sacrifice, and other forms of appeasement are necessary. I predict earthquakes, floods, fires, and famine in the future. I am going to form the Church Of Mother Nature Inc.( a non profit - almost - organization ) that will co-ordinate with the Powers That Be in reversing this. All for a small - yet to be determined - fee. This fee will pay for the Church - the church founder's porche and wardrobe - and transportation to the worlds hot spots for prayer and meditation. Such hot spots as Hawaii, Mexico, Bahama, etc.. SOmeone has got to do it. Richard THFIC Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Are you saying PNAC is official US policy???
fat_boy wrote:
What are you going to do, sell it to yourselves at an inflated price?
Well if we controll it I could see your point but how could we sell it if we do not own it??? Show me proof thta 1) the US is in control of the oil and 2) selling it at a cheap price to US oil companies.
fat_boy wrote:
If you pull out the place is gauranteed to break into two or three regions.
gauranteed? whatever.
fat_boy wrote:
Why, Sadam was no threat. He was due to die in a few years.
I cannot believe I'm hearing this. Do you have knowledge that he was going to die? Unbelievable.
fat_boy wrote:
Perhaps an acceptable pro west government would have formed.
What, one acceptable to him?
fat_boy wrote:
After all, Sadam was once acceptable pro west wasnt he?
So was Hitler, does not mean anyone would think he would turn back into a good guy. This conversation is taking a surreal turn. Do you really believe this stuff?
kgaddy wrote:
Are you saying PNAC is official US policy
Since many of the signatories are part of the government, yes I am.
kgaddy wrote:
the US is in control
Or wants to be. Why was the oil ministry protected in the earky days in Baghdad, and the Museum not? Because you couldnt give a shit about the antiquity in Iraq, just the oil. You want to control it, so badly, you are willing to kill 20 thousand plus civilians to do so.
kgaddy wrote:
Do you have knowledge that he was going to die
As a 70 plus year old, I would say he had about 7 more years till old age and ill health made him an easy target. Dont forget there were attempts on his sons lives, that were almost successfull. The family was widely hated, and a military coup by some general or other was entirely possible if not likely.
kgaddy wrote:
one acceptable to him
No.... the US.
kgaddy wrote:
turn back into a good guy
What the fuck? Are you a 12 year old or something? Cowboys and indians, good guys bad guys? Nunc est bibendum
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What is with
It's all those SUVs polluting the world.
getting voted down? :wtf: ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
Yeah - must be the angry SUV owners :-)
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kgaddy wrote:
Are you saying PNAC is official US policy
Since many of the signatories are part of the government, yes I am.
kgaddy wrote:
the US is in control
Or wants to be. Why was the oil ministry protected in the earky days in Baghdad, and the Museum not? Because you couldnt give a shit about the antiquity in Iraq, just the oil. You want to control it, so badly, you are willing to kill 20 thousand plus civilians to do so.
kgaddy wrote:
Do you have knowledge that he was going to die
As a 70 plus year old, I would say he had about 7 more years till old age and ill health made him an easy target. Dont forget there were attempts on his sons lives, that were almost successfull. The family was widely hated, and a military coup by some general or other was entirely possible if not likely.
kgaddy wrote:
one acceptable to him
No.... the US.
kgaddy wrote:
turn back into a good guy
What the fuck? Are you a 12 year old or something? Cowboys and indians, good guys bad guys? Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote:
Are you saying PNAC is official US policy Since many of the signatories are part of the government, yes I am.
Well I just heard that a former Canadian PM said we are in danger of being attacked by Aliens, is that now official Canadian policy??? Your logic is flawed, but very funny.
fat_boy wrote:
Or wants to be. Why was the oil ministry protected in the earky days in Baghdad, and the Museum not? Because you couldnt give a sh*t about the antiquity in Iraq, just the oil. You want to control it, so badly, you are willing to kill 20 thousand plus civilians to do so.
Or wants to be? You still have provided no proof. The Oil industry is vital to the economy of the Iraqi people. The museum is not. And sice we have protected the Oil Industry, The Iraqi's have a infrustructure they can work with. Now, how about some proof we are stealing or selling oil to ourselves, nice try.
fat_boy wrote:
As a 70 plus year old, I would say he had about 7 more years till old age and ill health made him an easy target.
Well in the Dulfer report we know he was working to get the bomb. All he needs is one day to be alive to use a bomb. Even if he did have 7 years left, it was 7 years too long. In 1 second the million people can die in a bomb. Who knows, he may have had longer, I've heard that Castro would die any day now, 10 years ago.
fat_boy wrote:
What the f***? Are you a 12 year old or something? Cowboys and indians, good guys bad guys?
What are you talking about? You said he may be acceptible in the future. How did we get on the subject of Cowboys and Indians???? Put the crack away, before it puts you away.
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Yeah - must be the angry SUV owners :-)
Naw! I don't want to give away my age but I was one of the early ones back 12,000 years ago that caused global warming with our SUV's. Course back then it was work pushing those stone wheels... :laugh: ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Ed K wrote:
The process that created the oil field continues whether you want to believe it or not.
And what is that process? "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Sorry...thought you knew something about what we were talking about. :confused: ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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It's not like the US would allow people to sue each other for stupid reasons. Or is this suit really stupid? :suss: -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Thought you might like to read. Just a diffrent point of view.http://www.techcentralstation.com/120805D.html
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Sorry...thought you knew something about what we were talking about. :confused: ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
I'm simply unaware of any process that spontaniously generates fossil fuel. I mean, there were only so many fossils, so it would follow that there is only so much oil. Or, are you suggesting that the source of the oil is something else? I've heard many such theories,but I don't believe most of them are widely accepted in the geological community. For example, there is a theory that the source of oil was really organic compounds such as methane trapped in the crust of the earth as it formed originally from the disk of debry the solar system formed from. If that is true, there may, in fact, be far more oil buried very deeply than we have as yet discovered. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Maybe you didnt get what I was saying, read the whole post. And who said I was happy because I'm doing well? I was just as happy when I was poor and in college. And BTW, I want everyone to be rich and be happy. If your country was wealthy and doing well, I would be very happy for you. Recent polls say that Americans are more happy than Europeans. I dont know if that is true, but I know how I feel. You need to quite worrying about other poeple's wealth and start worrying about your own situation. I hope you strike it rich whereever you are, I would truly be happy for you.
I did read the whole post and you sounded like a spoiled child. I live in Sydney, one of the worlds most beautiful and livable cities. I am not worried about your wealth or lack there of. Striking it rich is not my aim, I am comfortable and happy and I work hard for what I have. Thats the Australian way.
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I'm simply unaware of any process that spontaniously generates fossil fuel. I mean, there were only so many fossils, so it would follow that there is only so much oil. Or, are you suggesting that the source of the oil is something else? I've heard many such theories,but I don't believe most of them are widely accepted in the geological community. For example, there is a theory that the source of oil was really organic compounds such as methane trapped in the crust of the earth as it formed originally from the disk of debry the solar system formed from. If that is true, there may, in fact, be far more oil buried very deeply than we have as yet discovered. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Reverend Satan wrote:
process that spontaniously generates fossil fuel
Are you saying that things stopped dying at a certain point in time and suddenly the source of fossil fuel just disappeared? The earth somehow keeps turning regardless of what you want to believe. The sun..which is the root energy source keeps on shining. And man, in all the glory that you want to assign him, isn't going to be able to stop any of it. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Reverend Satan wrote:
That's not quite true.
Oh yes it is true! The process that created the oil field continues whether you want to believe it or not.
Reverend Satan wrote:
necessarily follow that we can disregard it
Are you saying I'm disregarding nature. :| Sounds more like you are. :suss: ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
Ed K wrote:
The process that created the oil field continues
But is it replenishing the fuel as quickly as we can use it? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Ed K wrote:
The process that created the oil field continues
But is it replenishing the fuel as quickly as we can use it? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven WrightThat I don't know. But my point is that it isn't a zero sum game. Regardless we need to find another source since the oil that is most available and least expensive is produced in the most volatile areas in the world!! ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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I did read the whole post and you sounded like a spoiled child. I live in Sydney, one of the worlds most beautiful and livable cities. I am not worried about your wealth or lack there of. Striking it rich is not my aim, I am comfortable and happy and I work hard for what I have. Thats the Australian way.
Josh Gray wrote:
I did read the whole post and you sounded like a spoiled child.
You assume I'm spoiled? I grew up in a poor family in the south. My father was a mill worker, and we had nothing. All I have I earned.
Josh Gray wrote:
I live in Sydney, one of the worlds most beautiful and livable cities.
Good for you. Sounds like a great place.
Josh Gray wrote:
I am not worried about your wealth or lack there of.
Good, you should not be.
Josh Gray wrote:
I am comfortable and happy and I work hard for what I have.
I'm glad for you. I hope, that if you ever do become unhappy, that you find happiness again. Sounds like you have a good work ethic.
Josh Gray wrote:
Thats the Australian way.
It sure is. I have a Aussie expat that I work with and he is a great guy. If everyone down under is like him I would have nothing but respect for Australians. Hey, yous guy voted for Howard, can't be all that bad.(I had to slip that in;)) So, I'm happy, and you are happy. Whats the gripe?
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Josh Gray wrote:
I did read the whole post and you sounded like a spoiled child.
You assume I'm spoiled? I grew up in a poor family in the south. My father was a mill worker, and we had nothing. All I have I earned.
Josh Gray wrote:
I live in Sydney, one of the worlds most beautiful and livable cities.
Good for you. Sounds like a great place.
Josh Gray wrote:
I am not worried about your wealth or lack there of.
Good, you should not be.
Josh Gray wrote:
I am comfortable and happy and I work hard for what I have.
I'm glad for you. I hope, that if you ever do become unhappy, that you find happiness again. Sounds like you have a good work ethic.
Josh Gray wrote:
Thats the Australian way.
It sure is. I have a Aussie expat that I work with and he is a great guy. If everyone down under is like him I would have nothing but respect for Australians. Hey, yous guy voted for Howard, can't be all that bad.(I had to slip that in;)) So, I'm happy, and you are happy. Whats the gripe?
fucking quote button doesnt work I dont assume you are spoiled. I said your comment sounded like that of a spoiled child and I stand by that. It is rude of you rub your prosperity into the faces of those less fortunate. None of us get a choice where or when we are born, we have to make the most of what we have. Our only alternative to Howard was a guy called Latham and he couldnt run a milk bar. If the Labour party can get their act together Howard will be toast. You should come visit us and see for yourself. Just leave your guns at home :)