The Palestinian/Israeli conflict
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Well, of course, there is the little issue of the Crusades and the Inquisition. But I guess Christianity has evolved past that.
*sigh* There is also Hitlers Germany and the KKK. All of which are examples of people *calling* themselves Christians and using the banner to promote their own ideas and desires. Christianity was not involved in any of the things you mention, rather politics. Again, the difference is one cannot condone the behaviour of the Crusaders, Hitler, Torquemada or the Grand Wizard of the KKK from the Bible, but our friend with the explosive backpack has the blessing of the Quran. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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I have a question that seem to stump everybody when I ask them. From 1948 to 1967 the West Bank was under Jordanian control and the Gaza strip was under Egyptian control. Why didn't they grant the Palestinians independance? :confused:
To truly understand this question, you must understand the Palestinians. The "Palestinians" are mostly non-Hashemite Jordanians and Non-Saudi Arabs from the Arabian peninsula. The fabricated "history" of the Palestinians is hard to reconcile with true history. Read anything babout the history of the region, even Mark Twain's "The Innocents Abroad", but I am suggesting you read up about the history of the Palestinians (and the region in general) under the Ottoman Turks (pre-1917) and under the British. You'll be surprised that there were no such "Palestinians", and that the national identity is a much more recent thing. That is not to say that they are not a distinct group of people with unique social problems and general issues. But don't make the mistake that the "Palestinians were living there first". What does that mean?
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Wow, you *are* ignorant, aren't you ? Jesus said to love your enemies and turn the other cheek. In principle this is true, but let's remember that in practice, in 1982 when Ariel Sharon turned several thousand Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps in Lebanon over to the Christian Phalangist militia. According to CNN, Christian militiamen started a three-day killing spree in Sabra and Shatila on September 16, 1982, after being let in by Israeli soldiers who sealed off the two camps when they occupied the western sector of the Lebanese capital. It's really simple, and it's not a case of principle. The Bible says love your enemies, the Quran says kill them. So it's not a case of principle - a Christian Militia is a contradition in terms, and is not Christian at all, no matter what it calls itself. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
HEEEEEY. Be polite and wise you STUPID!!!! I am a Muslim and have not seen anything in Quran that tells to kill the enemies. Hey Chris, stop these idiots to post messages that contains insults to the religions!!! Mustafa Demirhan
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BTW, i am not Palestinian, but i support them. They kill them selves so they can kill the people who have invaded their country. They are killing innocent people because they have to or else there is no way the Israelis will leave the country or give it back to the people it belongs to. The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. The Palestinan blow them selves up because they truly belive that this isn't their fault. The reason why Jewish and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it. Sarah
No, There is no such thing in Christianity. There used to be, but not anymore. (2b || !2b)
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HEEEEEY. Be polite and wise you STUPID!!!! I am a Muslim and have not seen anything in Quran that tells to kill the enemies. Hey Chris, stop these idiots to post messages that contains insults to the religions!!! Mustafa Demirhan
This quote came up in google, but the page is gone. And kill the infidels wherever you find and turn them out from the place where from they turned you out; and their mischief is more grievous than killing How about this ? Allah's apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and his Apostle." The questioner then asked, "What is the next?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's cause." (Hadith vol. 1, no. 25). Or this ? Sura 9:5 says, Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. Sura 5:33 records what is done to infidels who resist Islam: Their punishment is...execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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This quote came up in google, but the page is gone. And kill the infidels wherever you find and turn them out from the place where from they turned you out; and their mischief is more grievous than killing How about this ? Allah's apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and his Apostle." The questioner then asked, "What is the next?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's cause." (Hadith vol. 1, no. 25). Or this ? Sura 9:5 says, Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. Sura 5:33 records what is done to infidels who resist Islam: Their punishment is...execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
go and read this page: http://www.whyislam.org/faqs/q18.htm And always be RESPECTFUL to the others' ideas. I can easily show you many very absurd things in Bible but this is not my business. Also be sure that, you cannot find anything illogical or unreasonable thing in Qur’an. 1. Verse from Surah Taubah -------------------------- The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality: "Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, kafirs) where ever you find them." [Al-Qur’an 9:5] 2. Context of verse is during battlefield ----------------------------------------- Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful." [Al-Qur’an 9:5] This verse is quoted during a battle. 3. Example of war between America and Vietnam --------------------------------------------- We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today if I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war. 4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle ------------------------------------------------------------ Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, "Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the
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go and read this page: http://www.whyislam.org/faqs/q18.htm And always be RESPECTFUL to the others' ideas. I can easily show you many very absurd things in Bible but this is not my business. Also be sure that, you cannot find anything illogical or unreasonable thing in Qur’an. 1. Verse from Surah Taubah -------------------------- The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality: "Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, kafirs) where ever you find them." [Al-Qur’an 9:5] 2. Context of verse is during battlefield ----------------------------------------- Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful." [Al-Qur’an 9:5] This verse is quoted during a battle. 3. Example of war between America and Vietnam --------------------------------------------- We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today if I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war. 4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle ------------------------------------------------------------ Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, "Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the
I can easily show you many very absurd things in Bible but this is not my business. Also be sure that, you cannot find anything illogical or unreasonable thing in Qur’an. You're wrong. Bring it on, if you want to discuss it. "If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge." Apart from the fact that this paragraph deals with only one of the quotes I found regarding the Quran encouraging the death of infidels, verse 6 seems to indicate I get to live *if* I am willing to convert to Islam. If Allah and his 'glorious Quran' were written to promote peace, why is it used so extensively by it's leaders and followers to promote war ? Could you provide a definition of Jihad ? I'm happy to consider that Hollywood has got it wrong. Does it mean distribution of the Quran and providing cups of tea and a biscuit while discussing the merits of Islam ? Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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I can easily show you many very absurd things in Bible but this is not my business. Also be sure that, you cannot find anything illogical or unreasonable thing in Qur’an. You're wrong. Bring it on, if you want to discuss it. "If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge." Apart from the fact that this paragraph deals with only one of the quotes I found regarding the Quran encouraging the death of infidels, verse 6 seems to indicate I get to live *if* I am willing to convert to Islam. If Allah and his 'glorious Quran' were written to promote peace, why is it used so extensively by it's leaders and followers to promote war ? Could you provide a definition of Jihad ? I'm happy to consider that Hollywood has got it wrong. Does it mean distribution of the Quran and providing cups of tea and a biscuit while discussing the merits of Islam ? Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
As I said, it is not my job.... All I want to say is just be RESPECTFUL!!! :rose: I can provide you more than 10,000 pages of explanations about this issue. But it would be hard for me to translate them to English... Mustafa Demirhan
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As I said, it is not my job.... All I want to say is just be RESPECTFUL!!! :rose: I can provide you more than 10,000 pages of explanations about this issue. But it would be hard for me to translate them to English... Mustafa Demirhan
Well, in that case you shouldn't make throwaway lines you don't want to back up. I'm happy to respect your right to hold to a particular view, although I think it's wrong. :rose: Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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I'm a little concerned about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. It seems to be headed downhill in a bad way. I'm afraid that it could lead to a major war in the region, perhaps of nuclear proportions. I'm not really informed on the issues surrounding the conflict. A European friend of mine claims that it's all the Israelis' fault for forcing the Palestinians out of land which had been theirs for hundreds of years. He actually justifies their violent behavior by saying that they've been driven to it by the way they've been shoved out of their own land, just to make room for new housing for immigrant Jews. What do you think? Who's really at fault, and how should it be resolved? Regards, Alvaro
Well, I usually don't like to participate in political debates but I have to say couple of words. First of all I'm living in Israel so I'm pretty diverts. I don't think that the blame is on Israel or on Palestinians. I do think that as every crisis the blame can be split equally between the two parties. I also thing that most of the palatinates and Israeli people just want to live their life peacefully, but there are small groups of extremes that knows how to keep the fire up. Any way I think that no one that lives here (Israel) can really understand what goes here. You can't understand such a conflict from 50,000 feet view. It's like Don Box that from 50,000 view throughout that COM is great solution but down from the ground it looks completely different.... :-)