Asp, Jsp, php and other Ps
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Which of the web dev languages is most popular nowadays? I'm wondering which one to study.
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Which of the web dev languages is most popular nowadays? I'm wondering which one to study.
ASP.NET. I've never used JSP, but it (ASP.NET) trumps both ASP and PHP, IMHO. Especially the beta stuff. Holy crap, it's awesome. ETA: I don't know if it's the most popular, but it's extremely powerful. Here are some links: ASP.NET quickstart tutorials[^] ASP.NET 2.0 beta quickstart tutorials[^] Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles -- modified at 13:05 Thursday 1st September, 2005
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Which of the web dev languages is most popular nowadays? I'm wondering which one to study.
it depends on the deployment platform u target... if ur going the ms server route then ms technologies will probably serve u better (as long as u dont need to migrate to non-ms platforms later) ... if u are going non-ms platforms then php without doubt is the de facto standard and is very powerful
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Which of the web dev languages is most popular nowadays? I'm wondering which one to study.
Depends what you plan on doing with it. If you want to do a personal website, PHP hosting seems to be a good deal cheaper and more common. If you're planning on doing contract work, then identify your market and research what they use. If you just want to learn some skills to make yourself more marketable to employers, then spend some time with PHP, JSP, and ASP.NET. Pick one to focus on, but learn at least the basics of all of them.
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Depends what you plan on doing with it. If you want to do a personal website, PHP hosting seems to be a good deal cheaper and more common. If you're planning on doing contract work, then identify your market and research what they use. If you just want to learn some skills to make yourself more marketable to employers, then spend some time with PHP, JSP, and ASP.NET. Pick one to focus on, but learn at least the basics of all of them.
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I use(d) PHP for a couple of websites and now I hate it. So complex, so *old-C-styled*, so ... squalid. ASP.NET is the best in the world. I don't know JSP, but since I know Java, I can imagine that it is not simple, powerful and consistent (you can understand that I also hate Java :mad:). If you learn ASP.NET, you automatically learn ASP too (that is only the old version of the ASP platform).
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
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ASP.NET. I've never used JSP, but it (ASP.NET) trumps both ASP and PHP, IMHO. Especially the beta stuff. Holy crap, it's awesome. ETA: I don't know if it's the most popular, but it's extremely powerful. Here are some links: ASP.NET quickstart tutorials[^] ASP.NET 2.0 beta quickstart tutorials[^] Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles -- modified at 13:05 Thursday 1st September, 2005
Haven't used ASP.NET (but I have used ASP and PHP) but what, in your opinion, makes it any better than PHP? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Slightly OT: Have you used PHP 5.x yet? I have not had a chance to play around with it. About Shog's post, though, I don't think he was putting PHP down -- I think he was just making the point that affordable PHP hosting is more ubiquitous, and so may be a better choice for someone only looking to start up a personal site. Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
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I use(d) PHP for a couple of websites and now I hate it. So complex, so *old-C-styled*, so ... squalid. ASP.NET is the best in the world. I don't know JSP, but since I know Java, I can imagine that it is not simple, powerful and consistent (you can understand that I also hate Java :mad:). If you learn ASP.NET, you automatically learn ASP too (that is only the old version of the ASP platform).
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
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I love PHP. My point was that, for a personal website, PHP is far and away the best choice. In other situations, other platforms may be also appropriate.
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Slightly OT: Have you used PHP 5.x yet? I have not had a chance to play around with it. About Shog's post, though, I don't think he was putting PHP down -- I think he was just making the point that affordable PHP hosting is more ubiquitous, and so may be a better choice for someone only looking to start up a personal site. Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
I can safely say that ALL the webservers in the world support PHP. ASP.NET runs only on Windows servers. Or Linux servers with Mono.
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
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Slightly OT: Have you used PHP 5.x yet? I have not had a chance to play around with it. About Shog's post, though, I don't think he was putting PHP down -- I think he was just making the point that affordable PHP hosting is more ubiquitous, and so may be a better choice for someone only looking to start up a personal site. Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
yah i use php5 all the time... very nice and very powerful... but then i use oss in all web work so i guess i would be a little biased ... truth is i havnt used any ms specific web technologies for a good 3 years now and i see no good reason to start ... higher tool and server prices ... higher hosting charges ... less flexibility about deployment platforms ... and it all comes down to serving a bunch of html anyways so its not like any of it is any different at the business end of things
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I love PHP. My point was that, for a personal website, PHP is far and away the best choice. In other situations, other platforms may be also appropriate.
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Haven't used ASP.NET (but I have used ASP and PHP) but what, in your opinion, makes it any better than PHP? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
I really like the fact that C# is strongly-typed, and that you have to declare a variable before you can use it. (I don't remember whether PHP has a "strict" option. I suspect it does, but I remember being bitten in the rear by this "feature" more than once.) But mostly, for me, it's the tools. Server/Html controls. The .NET framework classes. Ability to easily build my own reusable custom controls. Integrated debugging. Now, keep in mind that I haven't done any real PHP development for a couple of years, so there may be much better tools out there now, but moving from Dreamweaver/UltraEdit for PHP to VS.NET for ASP.NET was a huge productivity boost for me. Especially with 2.0 coming out -- the Membership API is a huge time saver, as is the Wizard control. I guess I'm just lazy. ;) Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
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I use(d) PHP for a couple of websites and now I hate it. So complex, so *old-C-styled*, so ... squalid. ASP.NET is the best in the world. I don't know JSP, but since I know Java, I can imagine that it is not simple, powerful and consistent (you can understand that I also hate Java :mad:). If you learn ASP.NET, you automatically learn ASP too (that is only the old version of the ASP platform).
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
Learning ASP.NET does not mean that you automatically learn ASP.OLD too. I went from coding on mainframes, to ASP.NET. Then picked up some regular old ASP work and it is plenty different. Knowing ASP.NET gives you a good base for being able to figure out ASP. But that doesn't mean that you "know" it.
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I really like the fact that C# is strongly-typed, and that you have to declare a variable before you can use it. (I don't remember whether PHP has a "strict" option. I suspect it does, but I remember being bitten in the rear by this "feature" more than once.) But mostly, for me, it's the tools. Server/Html controls. The .NET framework classes. Ability to easily build my own reusable custom controls. Integrated debugging. Now, keep in mind that I haven't done any real PHP development for a couple of years, so there may be much better tools out there now, but moving from Dreamweaver/UltraEdit for PHP to VS.NET for ASP.NET was a huge productivity boost for me. Especially with 2.0 coming out -- the Membership API is a huge time saver, as is the Wizard control. I guess I'm just lazy. ;) Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
OK, so it's more about the actual tools than any language features. Personally I kind of liked PHP, especially compared to ASP. Being able to use C# would be nice however. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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yah i use php5 all the time... very nice and very powerful... but then i use oss in all web work so i guess i would be a little biased ... truth is i havnt used any ms specific web technologies for a good 3 years now and i see no good reason to start ... higher tool and server prices ... higher hosting charges ... less flexibility about deployment platforms ... and it all comes down to serving a bunch of html anyways so its not like any of it is any different at the business end of things
how does it (php5) compare to regular php(4.x?)? are there any tools that have the breadth of VS for php5 (or anything planned)? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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how does it (php5) compare to regular php(4.x?)? are there any tools that have the breadth of VS for php5 (or anything planned)? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
ummmmm php is still just a scripting language ... its not a platform in the same sense as .net ... php5 is way cleaner and more object oriented than php4 ... its also faster in terms of a dev ide like vs ... i think dw can do a fairly good job as can several other commercial and a few free ide's ... personally i use a good old text editor (kate - part of kde - on debian) so i dont look around too much ... guess that makes me a dinosaur :->
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OK, so it's more about the actual tools than any language features. Personally I kind of liked PHP, especially compared to ASP. Being able to use C# would be nice however. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
Jim Crafton wrote: Personally I kind of liked PHP, especially compared to ASP. Absolutely. That's why I learned PHP. :) Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
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I really like the fact that C# is strongly-typed, and that you have to declare a variable before you can use it. (I don't remember whether PHP has a "strict" option. I suspect it does, but I remember being bitten in the rear by this "feature" more than once.) But mostly, for me, it's the tools. Server/Html controls. The .NET framework classes. Ability to easily build my own reusable custom controls. Integrated debugging. Now, keep in mind that I haven't done any real PHP development for a couple of years, so there may be much better tools out there now, but moving from Dreamweaver/UltraEdit for PHP to VS.NET for ASP.NET was a huge productivity boost for me. Especially with 2.0 coming out -- the Membership API is a huge time saver, as is the Wizard control. I guess I'm just lazy. ;) Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
the reason i like php is (apart from all the cost and platform issues) that it has a c/c++ type syntax which i fond cleaner than the typical vb type script ... of course if i used c# i might be tempted to prefer that but i understand that it has a c/c++ type syntax too i keep meaning to look into c# / .net but frankly none of my clients ask for it (in fact they often ask for non ms solutions due to costs) and i just dont really have the time to learn it for the sake of learning it ... if i ever needed to im sure it wouldnt be a huge strain to get up to speed