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"Florida businesses could soon face criminal charges if they try to stop employees from bringing guns to work in their cars" http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-guns1002,0,4768146.story?coll=sfla-news-florida From a UK perspective, it is unbelievable that there could be a lobby to allow employees to bring guns into work and leave them in their locked vehicles!
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Ted Ferenc wrote: From a UK perspective, it is unbelievable that there could be a lobby to allow employees to bring guns into work and leave them in their locked vehicles! Is it? Personaly I find it unbelievable that owning a BB gun in this Nanny State paradise can carry a 6 year mandatory prison sentence. But I'm wierd. Ryan
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L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: Again the type of person who would do thatt will have a gun regardless of permits or rules. wrong
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenReally. Post instances of conncealed weapon permit holders who have done that? Here is a link to the Michigan concealed weapon annual report. Look at the "crimes" permit holders commit. http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654-77621--,00.html[^] Comapre those to the FBI stats. If you live in one of thee 35+ states that allow CCW I am sure someone around you has a gun on them. You just do not know it.
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But your crime rate (and gun crime) is rising. All this allows is a person the chance to protect themselves. Call 911 and wait for them to arrive. When they do arrive it is too late. It is a miniscule chance that a person with a peermit will ever have to use it but when they do it allows them to go home tot their family. If they do not have it their family will proably be without that person. given a chance to continue to provide for my family I will do so. Remember that office shooting in boston a few years ago? One of those killed was a CCW holder. he was not allowed to bring his gun to work. but that restriction did not stop thee shooter. Oh and he, the shooter, did not have a permit.
L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: But your crime rate (and gun crime) is rising. Yes, but gun crime in the UK is about 1/10000 th per capita (yes one ten thousandth) of that in the US. Does it look like we have a gun problem now? As an example having a quick look at the stats, in 2001 there was about 3,000 crimes nation wide that "involed a gun". i.e. someone was stopped and searched and found to have a gun - which is illegal in the UK. Owning a gun is illegal, and being caught with one counts as gun crime. This is not even murders (never mind just gun merders), which compared to the US is practically zero. Last year there were 97 gun related murders for the whole nation of 60 million people. You get that in one bad city in the US over the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So before you start talking about gun crime, it could be just that the UK police are getting better at catching people with guns, and the majority of these are in inner cites where the majority of gun crime takes place. The past two years the police have been focusing on gun crime deaths, for which about 99% are black on black shootings between drug gangs. -- modified at 8:32 Monday 3rd October, 2005
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L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: But your crime rate (and gun crime) is rising. Yes, but gun crime in the UK is about 1/10000 th per capita (yes one ten thousandth) of that in the US. Does it look like we have a gun problem now? As an example having a quick look at the stats, in 2001 there was about 3,000 crimes nation wide that "involed a gun". i.e. someone was stopped and searched and found to have a gun - which is illegal in the UK. Owning a gun is illegal, and being caught with one counts as gun crime. This is not even murders (never mind just gun merders), which compared to the US is practically zero. Last year there were 97 gun related murders for the whole nation of 60 million people. You get that in one bad city in the US over the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So before you start talking about gun crime, it could be just that the UK police are getting better at catching people with guns, and the majority of these are in inner cites where the majority of gun crime takes place. The past two years the police have been focusing on gun crime deaths, for which about 99% are black on black shootings between drug gangs. -- modified at 8:32 Monday 3rd October, 2005
Ahh but you have fallen into the lil trap.. Owning a gun is illeagal in the UK but you still have gun crime. And that crime is rising. So making it illeagal to own a gun only hurts those who follwed the law. Criminals don't care if they break 3 loaws or 10 at a time but you think it is ok to stop me from protecting myself from them. Giles wrote: The past two years the police have been focusing on gun crime deaths, for which about 99% are black on black shootings between drug gangs. Yes and if they are under 20 they will be counted as Kid crimes as well. Giles wrote: This is not even murders (never mind just gun merders), which compared to the US is practically zero. Last year there were 97 gun related murders for the whole nation of 60 million people. You get that in one bad city in the US over the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now talk about blowing smoke stats. Maybe in a quarter in the worst city. But them again we have 400 mil people. And I happen to work in one of the top 3. Sso why do I have to wait for the po-po to show up? Oh and they are 5 calls behind when they get in a car for the shift, plus many many layoffs this year in their force.
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Ahh but you have fallen into the lil trap.. Owning a gun is illeagal in the UK but you still have gun crime. And that crime is rising. So making it illeagal to own a gun only hurts those who follwed the law. Criminals don't care if they break 3 loaws or 10 at a time but you think it is ok to stop me from protecting myself from them. Giles wrote: The past two years the police have been focusing on gun crime deaths, for which about 99% are black on black shootings between drug gangs. Yes and if they are under 20 they will be counted as Kid crimes as well. Giles wrote: This is not even murders (never mind just gun merders), which compared to the US is practically zero. Last year there were 97 gun related murders for the whole nation of 60 million people. You get that in one bad city in the US over the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now talk about blowing smoke stats. Maybe in a quarter in the worst city. But them again we have 400 mil people. And I happen to work in one of the top 3. Sso why do I have to wait for the po-po to show up? Oh and they are 5 calls behind when they get in a car for the shift, plus many many layoffs this year in their force.
L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: Ahh but you have fallen into the lil trap.. Owning a gun is illeagal in the UK but you still have gun crime. And that crime is rising. So making it illeagal to own a gun only hurts those who follwed the law. Criminals don't care if they break 3 loaws or 10 at a time but you think it is ok to stop me from protecting myself from them. Guns are not banned outright. You can still own rifles and shotguns here. Handguns are banned, though you may be able to get 2.2 sports hand gund. Thing is criminals don't just go on wild shootings at the general public either. The rise has been entirely due to criminal on criminal crime between gangs. Its why people in the UK really don't care about owning a gun to protect themselves because its not a problem. In fact banning had guns has proved to be totally ineffective agaist gund crime. Its an old article but the stats have been the same year on year. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm[^] What you cannot deny is that gun crime in the US is the highest for any western country. People draw the simple conclusion that its related to gun ownership. I DO NOT BELIVE THIS!!! I think its much more of a culture problem in the US. People in the US love guns! Its not the case in Europe at all. They are a useful tool when used correctly. I grew up on a farm. I also did sports rifle shooting at school, and to this day, while I've used them a lot, I still feel waery of guns, and am always very careful with them. I would feel very uncomfortable wearning a hand gun, or having one concealed. You will find nearly all Europeans feel the same way. In the US guns are a macho thing. Using them is a right of passage to manhood. Its not the case here. Its from that that I belive the US has a problem with guns, and why gun crime is so high in the US - People teaching their kids that guns are cool, and they make you a man - Gun crime in the US is a man problem. Nearly every houshold in Switzerland has a gun in it, yet they don't have gun crime. Why? Its back down to the culture in the US which is also a paranoid culture. I'm not against guns, I just think people should start being less reactionary about them, and take them for what they actually are. A tool designed for killing. Not something to be advertised by an oiled up model in a bikini.
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Beg. On your knees. Now! :~ So uh, that paddle, I've got a ping pong table here we can use. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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"Florida businesses could soon face criminal charges if they try to stop employees from bringing guns to work in their cars" http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-guns1002,0,4768146.story?coll=sfla-news-florida From a UK perspective, it is unbelievable that there could be a lobby to allow employees to bring guns into work and leave them in their locked vehicles!
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't." - Anatole France
Ted Ferenc wrote: From a UK perspective, it is unbelievable that there could be a lobby to allow employees to bring guns into work and leave them in their locked vehicles! Out of curiosity: Are the Welsh longbows[^] now forbidden in UK?
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"Florida businesses could soon face criminal charges if they try to stop employees from bringing guns to work in their cars" http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-guns1002,0,4768146.story?coll=sfla-news-florida From a UK perspective, it is unbelievable that there could be a lobby to allow employees to bring guns into work and leave them in their locked vehicles!
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't." - Anatole France
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Look man, don't go messing with my lunchtime sport hunting. Just down the road is a nice park with some swings, a merry go-round and a petting zoo. You expect me to drive home, fetch my semi-auto, drive all the way back, pop some lamas and then drive all the way back home to drop off my semi-auto and then come back to work all in one lousy 45 minute lunch break? ... On a saner note we had a chap come into work with a revolver once. He put it in his desk drawer and then during lunch brought it out to show us all. He thought we all liked guns. Instead we took him into the conference room and gave him a warning letter. He made it worse when he tried to explain it away by saying it was not even his gun, that it was not licensed and that he was taking it to the gun shop across the street to sell. Actually, that guy was a bit crazy. Smart chap but nuts. A few weeks after firing him we saw his wife standing outside our building on the pavement with two rifles (thankfully in their leather cases) waiting for him to pick her up. She was pregnant, it was getting dark and he was late. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote: ...pop some lamas... Are they anything like llamas? ;P Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Paul Watson wrote: ...pop some lamas... Are they anything like llamas? ;P Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
You go answer my Dimage Z6 question and then you can come back and pick on my spelling mistakes. :P regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Ted Ferenc wrote: From a UK perspective, it is unbelievable that there could be a lobby to allow employees to bring guns into work and leave them in their locked vehicles! Out of curiosity: Are the Welsh longbows[^] now forbidden in UK?
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Surprisngly I don't know! But in Chester You can only shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside the city walls and after midnight. http://www.dumblaws.com/laws.php?site=laws&cid=183
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You go answer my Dimage Z6 question and then you can come back and pick on my spelling mistakes. :P regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote: You go answer my Dimage Z6 question and then you can come back and pick on my spelling mistakes. ;P I'm getting there, but CP's as slow as a Seuth Efricken, I've had less than 6 hours sleep in 2 stints in the past 52 hours, I'm drinking beer again (shocked I'm sure), having just finished 13 hours work between the 2 jobs at Public Holiday rates. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Ahh but you have fallen into the lil trap.. Owning a gun is illeagal in the UK but you still have gun crime. And that crime is rising. So making it illeagal to own a gun only hurts those who follwed the law. Criminals don't care if they break 3 loaws or 10 at a time but you think it is ok to stop me from protecting myself from them. Giles wrote: The past two years the police have been focusing on gun crime deaths, for which about 99% are black on black shootings between drug gangs. Yes and if they are under 20 they will be counted as Kid crimes as well. Giles wrote: This is not even murders (never mind just gun merders), which compared to the US is practically zero. Last year there were 97 gun related murders for the whole nation of 60 million people. You get that in one bad city in the US over the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now talk about blowing smoke stats. Maybe in a quarter in the worst city. But them again we have 400 mil people. And I happen to work in one of the top 3. Sso why do I have to wait for the po-po to show up? Oh and they are 5 calls behind when they get in a car for the shift, plus many many layoffs this year in their force.
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L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: Owning a gun is illeagal in the UK but you still have gun crime. Not sure I understand the point of that argument. It applies to any crime...murdering people is illegal in the UK, but people still get murdered...
The point is that the gun ban in the UK was advertised (prior to its passage) as the way to reduce gun crime. It has not had that effect. One could argue it has had the opposite effect.
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It lets the guy who just got fired cool down instead of being able to walk outside to his car, get his gun and give his notice point blank to the boss. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Having handled a lot of firearms in my days and having been trained well to use them I've concluded a few things in my brief life. Guns are not the problem, not at all. Let me explain. In the year 2000 my son (first child) born. This set in motion a series of events I'll never regret. * I used to have a concealed carry permit. I expired it. * 3 months before my son was born I sold ever gun I have. They were all compact hand guns. * I made sure my father placed all of his guns in a safe under lock and key. * I make sure that people who own guns have them locked up before my kids go their home. = Guns are not the problem though. People of every background make mistakes. In the military weapons are checked out and checked back in. You carry them in combat you cache them when the operation/mission is complete and you are safe. It's a good policy. In the U.S. you can freely carry firearms and I've spoken with enough highly trained authorities in law-enforcement that believe your stock profile american should carry a firearm at all times. I agree. Why did I sell mine and purge firearms of every type from my life? I've seen what guns can do. It's horrifying. I don't want that image to be of one of my children. You might argue that you can teach your kids this and that and it's all true. I've been around guns I know them. They have no part in my life. Here's the thing. Accidents happen, it's horrible it's frightening. People get caught up in a lot of accidents and many involve accidentally discharged firearms. Not on my watch... You say that you need them for safety. I agree. I will also tell you that short of you drawing a gun and shooting me instantly me unaware that I'll be able to handle you very effectively guns or not. If you shoot me unaware I could have 6 guns and it wouldn't matter. If you have to reach for a weapon and I see that, I own you that gun will never clear it's concealment. So we've addressed the fact that the only way most people get killed by guns is by surprise or accident. If someone brings a gun into the workplace and you also have one and like most Americans you have no idea how to use a firearm under extreme pressure you probably just got yourself killed. Weapons in the workplace are frightening and pose a situation very difficult to manage. If someone else *untrained* has a weapon as well then the mix just got deadly and perhaps a good negotiator could have avoided the problem. Good negotiators are all over the place. These are fathers and mothers who want to see their k
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Having handled a lot of firearms in my days and having been trained well to use them I've concluded a few things in my brief life. Guns are not the problem, not at all. Let me explain. In the year 2000 my son (first child) born. This set in motion a series of events I'll never regret. * I used to have a concealed carry permit. I expired it. * 3 months before my son was born I sold ever gun I have. They were all compact hand guns. * I made sure my father placed all of his guns in a safe under lock and key. * I make sure that people who own guns have them locked up before my kids go their home. = Guns are not the problem though. People of every background make mistakes. In the military weapons are checked out and checked back in. You carry them in combat you cache them when the operation/mission is complete and you are safe. It's a good policy. In the U.S. you can freely carry firearms and I've spoken with enough highly trained authorities in law-enforcement that believe your stock profile american should carry a firearm at all times. I agree. Why did I sell mine and purge firearms of every type from my life? I've seen what guns can do. It's horrifying. I don't want that image to be of one of my children. You might argue that you can teach your kids this and that and it's all true. I've been around guns I know them. They have no part in my life. Here's the thing. Accidents happen, it's horrible it's frightening. People get caught up in a lot of accidents and many involve accidentally discharged firearms. Not on my watch... You say that you need them for safety. I agree. I will also tell you that short of you drawing a gun and shooting me instantly me unaware that I'll be able to handle you very effectively guns or not. If you shoot me unaware I could have 6 guns and it wouldn't matter. If you have to reach for a weapon and I see that, I own you that gun will never clear it's concealment. So we've addressed the fact that the only way most people get killed by guns is by surprise or accident. If someone brings a gun into the workplace and you also have one and like most Americans you have no idea how to use a firearm under extreme pressure you probably just got yourself killed. Weapons in the workplace are frightening and pose a situation very difficult to manage. If someone else *untrained* has a weapon as well then the mix just got deadly and perhaps a good negotiator could have avoided the problem. Good negotiators are all over the place. These are fathers and mothers who want to see their k
Good post cf. On a personal level I don't think I could pull the trigger when push comes to shove. Not to defend myself or anyone else. Sure, it is a manly thing to think you will rise to the challenge when your women folk are in danger but the "manly thing" is fast disapearing. I have never even held a proper gun. I have never been in a situation where one was required either (and I live in South Africa which has about the worst crime rate in the world.) I don't think I could calmly level a gun at a living being and pull that trigger. Knowing it would likely kill them. Even for protection. I think I'd be an absolute wreck after killing someone, even someone who was attempting to murder me. I am just being honest here. It isn't ideal I realise, there are times and situations that call for this and... well I'm not your man, sorry. And I don't think many men are. Women either. The best I could do is pull the trigger in fright and that is no way to protect anyone, just as likely shoot them as the attacker. I mean most of us just have not grown up in the kind of world where on a regular basis you are in tough situations. We have it so easy, and so nice. Maybe the army could make a killer out of me but I'd be damned screwed afterwards I realise. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Having handled a lot of firearms in my days and having been trained well to use them I've concluded a few things in my brief life. Guns are not the problem, not at all. Let me explain. In the year 2000 my son (first child) born. This set in motion a series of events I'll never regret. * I used to have a concealed carry permit. I expired it. * 3 months before my son was born I sold ever gun I have. They were all compact hand guns. * I made sure my father placed all of his guns in a safe under lock and key. * I make sure that people who own guns have them locked up before my kids go their home. = Guns are not the problem though. People of every background make mistakes. In the military weapons are checked out and checked back in. You carry them in combat you cache them when the operation/mission is complete and you are safe. It's a good policy. In the U.S. you can freely carry firearms and I've spoken with enough highly trained authorities in law-enforcement that believe your stock profile american should carry a firearm at all times. I agree. Why did I sell mine and purge firearms of every type from my life? I've seen what guns can do. It's horrifying. I don't want that image to be of one of my children. You might argue that you can teach your kids this and that and it's all true. I've been around guns I know them. They have no part in my life. Here's the thing. Accidents happen, it's horrible it's frightening. People get caught up in a lot of accidents and many involve accidentally discharged firearms. Not on my watch... You say that you need them for safety. I agree. I will also tell you that short of you drawing a gun and shooting me instantly me unaware that I'll be able to handle you very effectively guns or not. If you shoot me unaware I could have 6 guns and it wouldn't matter. If you have to reach for a weapon and I see that, I own you that gun will never clear it's concealment. So we've addressed the fact that the only way most people get killed by guns is by surprise or accident. If someone brings a gun into the workplace and you also have one and like most Americans you have no idea how to use a firearm under extreme pressure you probably just got yourself killed. Weapons in the workplace are frightening and pose a situation very difficult to manage. If someone else *untrained* has a weapon as well then the mix just got deadly and perhaps a good negotiator could have avoided the problem. Good negotiators are all over the place. These are fathers and mothers who want to see their k
I train and train and train. I was a scout sniper in the Marines. I am a part time Sheriff Deputy. I know about weapon reetention and how to disarm you. I have been through countless schools on my own cost (Masaad Ayoob LFI series, Lou Chiodo Gunfighters LTD, TDI, etc). I also teach the CCW course here and weapon selection / holster selection is an added topic I Iinclude. I have witnessed the damage that can occur. I shoot competitevly IPSC and IDPA. I can draw and shoot very fast. Yes if you have the drop it is stupid to try and draw. That I agess with but to walk around thinking nothing can happen you are a fool.
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Good post cf. On a personal level I don't think I could pull the trigger when push comes to shove. Not to defend myself or anyone else. Sure, it is a manly thing to think you will rise to the challenge when your women folk are in danger but the "manly thing" is fast disapearing. I have never even held a proper gun. I have never been in a situation where one was required either (and I live in South Africa which has about the worst crime rate in the world.) I don't think I could calmly level a gun at a living being and pull that trigger. Knowing it would likely kill them. Even for protection. I think I'd be an absolute wreck after killing someone, even someone who was attempting to murder me. I am just being honest here. It isn't ideal I realise, there are times and situations that call for this and... well I'm not your man, sorry. And I don't think many men are. Women either. The best I could do is pull the trigger in fright and that is no way to protect anyone, just as likely shoot them as the attacker. I mean most of us just have not grown up in the kind of world where on a regular basis you are in tough situations. We have it so easy, and so nice. Maybe the army could make a killer out of me but I'd be damned screwed afterwards I realise. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Exactly right. Leveling a firearm at another living person is a life changing experience on several orders of magnitude and that's exactly why I believe most people should not carry firearms. The pressure and stress along with the full realization of what you are about to do is more than people not properly trained can handle. The very best thing that people who are concerned about their safety can do is train and discipline themselves to handling that danger without guns. You can completely disable a person (not kill them) in seconds with your hands and legs and you don't need a lot of training to know how. You will need lots of practice so it becomes automatic but not a ton of training. The single most important thing is to learn how to read situations. I can read danger in a split second and I can tell you that if someone got on a bus I was on and was waiving a gun I'd sit there very patiently. I would not identify myself I probably wouldn't do much of anything. If he started capping people off and got close enough to me I'd drop him without even having to stand up but that's my background. As long as he was just ranting at everyone and didn't shoot I'd let him be. S.W.A.T. would be along soon enough and I'd let pros with 50 caliber long sniper rifles take him if they wanted. If you pack a gun and have not been trained for combat, close-quarters-combat and have not been throughly instructed in how to deal with the emotions and what your body will do when it's time to end a human life you are a fool. Your gun will most likely get you killed. The nausea, the crushing wave of emotions, the sudden realization of finallity will be too much for most people. This sounds sick but unless you've been trained to just *click* the trigger not even thinking about it. Just squeeze and release and acquire the next target you are a fool. You have no business carrying a gun and you are a danger to those around you. I believe guns are only necessary in about .01% of self defense situations. The other 99.99% of situations being a fast thinker, calm and rational is all the defense you need. If things get violent hands don't need to be reloaded, feet hit with more impact than a .45 caliber round at point blank and police cannot charge you with deadly assault because you just iced one of their under cover officers. Guns create possibilities for all manner of troubles in your life. - Rex
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I train and train and train. I was a scout sniper in the Marines. I am a part time Sheriff Deputy. I know about weapon reetention and how to disarm you. I have been through countless schools on my own cost (Masaad Ayoob LFI series, Lou Chiodo Gunfighters LTD, TDI, etc). I also teach the CCW course here and weapon selection / holster selection is an added topic I Iinclude. I have witnessed the damage that can occur. I shoot competitevly IPSC and IDPA. I can draw and shoot very fast. Yes if you have the drop it is stupid to try and draw. That I agess with but to walk around thinking nothing can happen you are a fool.
L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: to walk around thinking nothing can happen you are a fool. I never claimed that. I've been in enough hostile situations to know anything can happen. Put enough men in a room and add alcohol and you just created a dangerous environment. Let one of them leave angry about something and now you have loose trouble roaming. In America at any given time angry, intoxicated, males are on the go and by the 100,000's. I never claimed nothing can happen, quite the opposite in fact.
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