Is C++ dead?
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I heard, that PhotoStory was written in C#, and some components on other applications are being written in C#, I don't thing any of the mainstream apps are written in C# (yet!). A large part of Visual Studio is written using C# - so I heard. Blogless
Also as Brian pointed out to me the Avalon... sorry, Windows Presentation Foundation designer tools (Spark and Cider) are done in .NET. I'd love to see some evidence of a "large part of Visual Studio is written using C#" as that would be Microsoft betting serious money on .NET. Otherwise none of the above really counts, they are minor/limited apps. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Paul Watson wrote:
Actually, he is.
Oh! too bad. I guess he was outdated.
-Prakash
Elvis is dead but the King lives on. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Also as Brian pointed out to me the Avalon... sorry, Windows Presentation Foundation designer tools (Spark and Cider) are done in .NET. I'd love to see some evidence of a "large part of Visual Studio is written using C#" as that would be Microsoft betting serious money on .NET. Otherwise none of the above really counts, they are minor/limited apps. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
I'd love to see some evidence of a "large part of Visual Studio is written using C#" as that would be Microsoft betting serious money on .NET. Otherwise none of the above really counts, they are minor/limited apps.
Just use Spyxx.exe and you'll see :) Also to add a large part of SQL Server 2005 Management Server GUI is written in .net (possibly C#). More of it around than we actually thing, just show the route which Microsoft are takening. Blogless
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I go back with C++ a LONG way, not quite to the cfront days, but close. I moved away from it for a few years, working mostly with .NET and ASP (something I swore i'd never do). I'm looking around now, and I'm seeing almost NO activity on the C++ front anymore. Very few jobs available, and fewer tools and articles. I know there's still a strong C++ contingent here on Code Project, but honestly? Is this a dead horse? Oh, don't get me wrong, I know that C and C++ will probably always have a VERY strong presence the unmanaged world, but that world seems to be shrinking daily. I'm seeing more desktop apps written in Java and .NET, and web based apps are starting to replace many of teh classic desktop apps. I feel like such a dinosaur. Oh, granted, i've got updated skills in Java and .NET, so maybe it's a dinosaur with sunglasses. Is this what COBOL developers feel like? So, i've been contemplating trying to get more work in native code, but i'm just not sure... What are your opinions? -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
We're still totally C++ here (developing Console games, where you need every bit of performance and memory you can get!) I've written a single tool in C# (as it was the quick and easy way, and I didn't feel like fighting with MFC to get an image in a window) but everything else tools side is still C++ (mostly because we've got a huge pool of well proven internal library code that nobody wants to ditch) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
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Paul Watson wrote:
I'd love to see some evidence of a "large part of Visual Studio is written using C#" as that would be Microsoft betting serious money on .NET. Otherwise none of the above really counts, they are minor/limited apps.
Just use Spyxx.exe and you'll see :) Also to add a large part of SQL Server 2005 Management Server GUI is written in .net (possibly C#). More of it around than we actually thing, just show the route which Microsoft are takening. Blogless
Why isn't Microsoft being more vocal about these developments? Surely if such major tools as VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 Management Server have strong .NET elements they should be publicised and turned into case-studies to further .NET's case? I'd like to see what challenges and solutions these development teams met and came up with. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Why isn't Microsoft being more vocal about these developments? Surely if such major tools as VS2005 and SQL Server 2005 Management Server have strong .NET elements they should be publicised and turned into case-studies to further .NET's case? I'd like to see what challenges and solutions these development teams met and came up with. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Good point, I reckon they are testing the water. I had few .net exceptions being throw using the SQL Server 2005 Mangament Studio, rather than the error being handling nicely its seems they are being throw straight to screen. I would expect to see a few patches to fix this. Overall it's a nice product considering the GUI is .net. Blogless
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Also as Brian pointed out to me the Avalon... sorry, Windows Presentation Foundation designer tools (Spark and Cider) are done in .NET. I'd love to see some evidence of a "large part of Visual Studio is written using C#" as that would be Microsoft betting serious money on .NET. Otherwise none of the above really counts, they are minor/limited apps. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
I'd love to see some evidence of a "large part of Visual Studio is written using C#" as that would be Microsoft betting serious money on .NET.
You mean the slow speed, frequent crashes and rubbish UI weren't enough evidence :-D Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Actually, he is. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
Actually, he is.
My mate Elvis is dead? Oh good god. Why didn't anybody tell me sooner? :(( ;P Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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I go back with C++ a LONG way, not quite to the cfront days, but close. I moved away from it for a few years, working mostly with .NET and ASP (something I swore i'd never do). I'm looking around now, and I'm seeing almost NO activity on the C++ front anymore. Very few jobs available, and fewer tools and articles. I know there's still a strong C++ contingent here on Code Project, but honestly? Is this a dead horse? Oh, don't get me wrong, I know that C and C++ will probably always have a VERY strong presence the unmanaged world, but that world seems to be shrinking daily. I'm seeing more desktop apps written in Java and .NET, and web based apps are starting to replace many of teh classic desktop apps. I feel like such a dinosaur. Oh, granted, i've got updated skills in Java and .NET, so maybe it's a dinosaur with sunglasses. Is this what COBOL developers feel like? So, i've been contemplating trying to get more work in native code, but i'm just not sure... What are your opinions? -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
NO C++ wont die but yeh developers need to lear the Managed Way of coding , any how After year's is see future of Multiplatform programing bright :cool: Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay
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Paul Watson wrote:
Actually, he is.
My mate Elvis is dead? Oh good god. Why didn't anybody tell me sooner? :(( ;P Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Elvis was your mate :| I thought you were younger than that ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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NO C++ wont die but yeh developers need to lear the Managed Way of coding , any how After year's is see future of Multiplatform programing bright :cool: Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay
vikas amin wrote:
After year's is see future of Multiplatform programing bright
Come again? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I think we have to remember there are two distinct markets in software development. Shrinkwrap like Microsoft does and bespoke for internal, business applications. I think the former is still C++ dominated while the later is the ripest for .NET/Java/etc. They have different needs and environments which is why there is such a rift in stats between the two. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
My career has illustrated that point Game development: C++ Realtime: C++ Shrinkwrapped application: C++, MFC Bespoke: .NET, ASP.NET .NET helps us get a working application much more quickly than we could manage in VB6 or C++, which means a significantly lower price for the customer or more features for their budget.
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Good point, I reckon they are testing the water. I had few .net exceptions being throw using the SQL Server 2005 Mangament Studio, rather than the error being handling nicely its seems they are being throw straight to screen. I would expect to see a few patches to fix this. Overall it's a nice product considering the GUI is .net. Blogless
Ask and ye shall recieve. Derek has a "managed code myth" post[^] which lists some LOC numbers. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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vikas amin wrote:
After year's is see future of Multiplatform programing bright
Come again? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
Come again?
probably he is refering to java thing w.r.t .net, Write once and run everywhere that is if .net is available on other platforms too.
-Prakash
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Elvis was your mate :| I thought you were younger than that ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
Elvis was your mate I thought you were younger than that
Who do you think taught him to dance :-D Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Paul Watson wrote:
Elvis was your mate I thought you were younger than that
Who do you think taught him to dance :-D Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
:laugh: Nice one. (Actually, I thought Forest Gump taught Elvis how to dance.) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN! -- modified at 7:14 Wednesday 11th January, 2006
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NO C++ wont die but yeh developers need to lear the Managed Way of coding , any how After year's is see future of Multiplatform programing bright :cool: Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay
I hope not. There should be a version 2 of the ISO standard coming out soon. I think it depends on the Industry where one is working and which OS e.g. C\C++ on Linux. I prefer C++ (unmanaged) as there I have total control. Lets see in 5 years time. Any way the more programming languages one has under the belt so much the better. I have been using C# a lot lately but I am not very impressed. I am the handsome one in the crowd.
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Ask and ye shall recieve. Derek has a "managed code myth" post[^] which lists some LOC numbers. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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norm.net wrote:
I wouldn't see it being one of the top language of the future
I agree. I used to be a big C++ buff and now I am drifting more and more towards C#. Paul
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I asked a conference speaker a few weeks back if Microsoft ate its own dog food by producing any applications with .NET. His reply was yes and no. Yes, some internal tools and one small part of BizTalk Server (I think it was BizTalk) but otherwise no. I don't see Office, Visual Studio or any of their main applications being written in .NET and not for a very long time either. (I am a .NET developer BTW so I am for it rather than biased against it.) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Given the number of messages about .NET 2.0 being so slow I don't blame them! The tigress is here :-D