Visual C++ .Net
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I think I might. One more question, could I use MFC 7 with VC++ 6 Standard? -:suss:Matt Newman:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman Frankly AOL should stick to what it does best: Fooling millions of americans into believing that it, AOL, is the web. -Paul Watson
Actually, since you're a student you might want to look into academic pricing for VS.NET. The MS website is suggesting a price of $71 for VS.NET Pro. Of course this doesn't help you legally if you want to release something to the masses. James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think." - Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull 1972
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If you can afford it I'd advise you to go and buy it Matt. Here I am trying to get my company to take an MSDN universal subscrib so that I get a free copy of VS.NET [I get one right?] Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
I think I might. One more question, could I use MFC 7 with VC++ 6 Standard? -:suss:Matt Newman:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman Frankly AOL should stick to what it does best: Fooling millions of americans into believing that it, AOL, is the web. -Paul Watson
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James T. Johnson wrote: cheaper MSDN Professional version Like how cheap? Gimme the numerics man! Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Like how cheap? It cost us $1000, then there is a rebate if you get the DVD version instead of CD. IIRC MSDN universal is $2500. Esentially if you're going to pay retail for VS.NET you should get MSDN Pro instead, so you get the year of library updates and the operating systems, essentially free. James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think." - Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull 1972
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If you get the cheaper MSDN Professional version you get VS.NET too :) Its only VS.NET pro, but I don't need the other garbage from the Enterprise versions. James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think." - Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull 1972
James T. Johnson wrote: cheaper MSDN Professional version Like how cheap? Gimme the numerics man! Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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I think I might. One more question, could I use MFC 7 with VC++ 6 Standard? -:suss:Matt Newman:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman Frankly AOL should stick to what it does best: Fooling millions of americans into believing that it, AOL, is the web. -Paul Watson
Matt Newman wrote: One more question, could I use MFC 7 with VC++ 6 Standard? How? :confused: Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Like how cheap? It cost us $1000, then there is a rebate if you get the DVD version instead of CD. IIRC MSDN universal is $2500. Esentially if you're going to pay retail for VS.NET you should get MSDN Pro instead, so you get the year of library updates and the operating systems, essentially free. James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think." - Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull 1972
James T. Johnson wrote: It cost us $1000 Hmmm. That sounds good. For $1000 I get :- MSDN VS.NET XP Prof Right? Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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James T. Johnson wrote: It cost us $1000 Hmmm. That sounds good. For $1000 I get :- MSDN VS.NET XP Prof Right? Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: For $1000 I get :- MSDN VS.NET XP Prof Right? Correct :) Tomorrow I'm picking up the DVDs so I can get MSDN and VS.NET installed here. James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think." - Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull 1972
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Matt Newman wrote: One more question, could I use MFC 7 with VC++ 6 Standard? How? :confused: Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: How? One could try to copy the header and libraries over the VC6 ones. I think that VC7 uses a different binary format for the link libraries shutting that idea out. Worth a try though; just make sure you have backups :) James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think." - Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull 1972
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James T. Johnson wrote: It cost us $1000 Hmmm. That sounds good. For $1000 I get :- MSDN VS.NET XP Prof Right? Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
That's about right. In fact, if I read the ad they sent me correctly, all the Server products, too! I can't afford it, either, but I wish I could... I keep hoping somebody will send me a free copy. Last week I got a set from Oracle - JDeveloper, and Oracle8i Enterprise Edition. - I don't know why. But there's a copy of "Oracle8 The Complete Reference" on my shelf that I haven't read yet. Maybe I should!
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If you can afford it I'd advise you to go and buy it Matt. Here I am trying to get my company to take an MSDN universal subscrib so that I get a free copy of VS.NET [I get one right?] Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Here I am trying to get my company to take an MSDN universal subscrib so that I get a free copy of VS.NET [I get one right?] Actually, It depends on how many licenses of MSDN universal your company is getting. Initially I was the opinion that once you have your subscription you can install whatever that comes along with the subscription and any number of people in the company can use them. I was wrong, the license says that Universal subscription is for a person, and this person can install software on the machines which are under his control and only one person can work on these machines at any point of time. So if your company is getting universal subscription, make the subscription licensed under your name, ie. theoritically its ur comp. that pays the subscription but is licensed for you, thatway u can install all of the msdn universal goodies. p.s these restrictions does not apply for the MSDN as such, it can be used by any no of people of a comp. regards Kannan
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That's about right. In fact, if I read the ad they sent me correctly, all the Server products, too! I can't afford it, either, but I wish I could... I keep hoping somebody will send me a free copy. Last week I got a set from Oracle - JDeveloper, and Oracle8i Enterprise Edition. - I don't know why. But there's a copy of "Oracle8 The Complete Reference" on my shelf that I haven't read yet. Maybe I should!
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True. But it's a lot more than you get with a VS.NET purchase, for only a few years' gross pay more! What a deal!!!
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Yes, much better STL, much better general standards support by mid year ( VC internally at M$ compiles Loki now ). Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
****Christian Graus wrote: ( VC internally at M$ compiles Loki now ). And the crowd goes wild! :cool: Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen
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Is there any improvements in VC++ 7 that would make the purchase worthwhile? -:suss:Matt Newman:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman Frankly AOL should stick to what it does best: Fooling millions of americans into believing that it, AOL, is the web. -Paul Watson
Nope. Unless you like the IDE that Visual Interdev uses forced upon you.
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A local computer store has Visual C++ .NET Standard for $89.99 USD. I have not even looked at .NET and am currently using VC++ 6 Standard. Is this VC++ 7? If so is it worth the buy? -:suss:Matt Newman:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman Frankly AOL should stick to what it does best: Fooling millions of americans into believing that it, AOL, is the web. -Paul Watson
Standard doesn't have the optimizing compiler, some Wizards (for Enterprise types of applications) and the Data tools (maybe a little more, but that is the gist of it). Its geared toward the hobbiest, I don't know if there are any EULA restrictions or not. I would say, if you're not building a commercial product, its a good deal. Its really not the tool to get if you want to do something professionally. Walter Sullivan Lead Program Manager, ATL/MFC
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Nope. Unless you like the IDE that Visual Interdev uses forced upon you.
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Even if you will never write one line of managed code (meaning .NET code), VC++ .NET is still a solid upgrade. Here are some links of just a few things that have been added since VC6: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnnews/2001/sept/vcnet/vcnet.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/technical/articles.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/default.asp, in particular, see the article on buffer overruns and Whole Program Optimizations http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/cplusplus/, this page has a few articles on the unmanaged C++ features These are all features that are significant improvements even if you're writing the exact same application you were writing with VC6. There are nice features about the IDE, even over what VC6 had. But, its a new IDE and will require some 'adjustments' in how you work no doubt. Beyond just the IDE, there are some really cool improvements in the debugger not discussed in any of the links above. The one that for me is almost worth the upgrade is a feature called "Step into specific". You know when you make a function call, and as parameters to the function call you use other functions? Well, if its the outside call, or just one of the parameters, that you want to step into and the rest you want to ignore, you can right-click on the statement (before you've F10'd into anything) and choose the specific function you want to step into. There are other treats like that hidden around that you'll grow to really like. Walter Sullivan Lead Program Manager, ATL/MFC