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  • S Stan Shannon

    Just demonstrating my limited knowledge of Indian geography. It was the first name that popped into my mind. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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    Nish Nishant
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    Stan Shannon wrote: It was the first name that popped into my mind. I'd have been a lot more happier, if the first name that popped into your mind was TRIVANDRUM. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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      Stan Shannon wrote: Did you ever consider dreaming about makeing your country a better place to live rather than running away to SF? I dont want to run away to the US. It is true that I would have been happier to have been born there. But now I dont think I'd be happy there either. But the computer world is an american thing basically. If I am to be successful, I'd need to spend at least 4 years there and then come back with several contracts. Then from india, I'd be earning US money. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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      Fair enough. :rose: "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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        Colin Davies wrote: My experience has shown me however that folk who are unhappy in the 3rd world when transfered to the 1st world remain unhappy although for entirely new reasons. Yeah but I'd prefer a change in the variety of unhappiness I would experience. A wound that keeps changing its nature would be a lot more pleasant than a stagnant boring wound. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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        you could experience the wonderful feeling of being laid off because the economy is in the gutter... :( you could experience the joy of competing with your friends for the few (lousy) jobs that are out there. -c


        Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse

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          Stuart van Weele wrote: Plenty of people from developing countries make it to the USA. You just need concrete goals, a plan, a few tricks, and some luck. I don;t want to do that. I wish I was born there. But now that I am not, I don't wish to realize my goals in an alien country. I'd much rather do that here. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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          You cannot change where you were born. You've got four choices: fix your environment, move, learn to like your environment, or do nothing and grumble.

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            you could experience the wonderful feeling of being laid off because the economy is in the gutter... :( you could experience the joy of competing with your friends for the few (lousy) jobs that are out there. -c


            Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse

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            Chris Losinger wrote: you could experience the joy of competing with your friends for the few (lousy) jobs that are out there Gosh! Try working in India for one month Chris L. Just one month... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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              Colin Davies wrote: Relax Stan, he said SF not Oklahoma City If I were Nish I'd dang sure pick OKC over SF. There's not nearly as much high tech, but the people are a lot nicer. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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              ...Raleigh, NC. lots of hi-tech, nice weather, nice people. sadly, no jobs right now. but that could change someday. -c


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                Chris Losinger wrote: you could experience the joy of competing with your friends for the few (lousy) jobs that are out there Gosh! Try working in India for one month Chris L. Just one month... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                Chris Losinger
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                yes, yes, i know: i'm not allowed to complain about the US. -c


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                • S Stuart van Weele

                  You cannot change where you were born. You've got four choices: fix your environment, move, learn to like your environment, or do nothing and grumble.

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                  The four choices (1)fix your environment (2)move (3)learn to like your environment (4)do nothing and grumble I'll do (2) first. By then I'd automatically do (3). Then I'd come back and do (1) And while I am at (1)(2)(3) I'll idle myself in (4) once in a while. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                    Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org

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                    Nish, What are your dreams? What do you want to do with your life? What's holding you back from accomplishing those things? What can your friends at CP contribute to assist you in acheiving them?

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                    • C Chris Losinger

                      yes, yes, i know: i'm not allowed to complain about the US. -c


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                      Chris Losinger wrote: yes, yes, i know: i'm not allowed to complain about the US. Sorry Chris L, I understand the reasons behind your sarcasm. But even a lowly worker in the US who makes a pittance of 1K/month still earns more than twice what the average software engineer makes in India :-) Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                      • K Kannan Kalyanaraman

                        Colin Davies wrote: Happiness is a state of mind. That summarizes everything. Just when I thought about posting that. :-) Cheers Kannan

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                        Hey Kannan Recently a kannanis@yahoo added me. I added him back. That's you right? Havent seen him[you] online since then. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                          ****Christian Graus wrote: I doubt when you were first able to say your name that you dreamed, or even concieved, of much in life beyond mastering potty time. How old do you need to be to say Nish, 10 months ? Well, yeah, I must admit that I kinda exagerrated in my negative-enthusiastic mood. ****Christian Graus wrote: I assume you mean contented ? What is SF ? Yes, it was a typo. I did mean contented. SF is San Francisco. Thats where my bosses spend half their year at. ****Christian Graus wrote: Have you thought of proposing articles to some paper mags like WDJ ? No I haven't. I need to get a little more professional before I can do that. And its not easy from India, specially Trivandrum. ****Christian Graus wrote: I don't know if you're joking, but I hope so. Are you drunk, depressed or being ironic ? I am not joking and I am not drunk nor am I being ironic. I am slightly depressed for some reasons. But I am kinda snapping out of it slowly. I wonder how you guys manage to stay calm and collected all through the week. For me I go crazy at least once every 5 days. :-) Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                          Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: No I haven't. I need to get a little more professional before I can do that. And its not easy from India, specially Trivandrum. Nonsense. What I've read of your work shows more than adequate professionalism, and given the universe of knowledge available to you via the Internet, there's no reason that you can't hone your skills from anywhere you happen to be. For such a young man, I think you have accomplished much, and I admire your dedication to become more. Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I wonder how you guys manage to stay calm and collected all through the week. For me I go crazy at least once every 5 days. Do you ever wonder why some of us disappear from CP once in a while? We go crazy too, but prefer not to expose our respected peers to our temporary state. Some mornings it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the leather ties.

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                            Chris Losinger wrote: yes, yes, i know: i'm not allowed to complain about the US. Sorry Chris L, I understand the reasons behind your sarcasm. But even a lowly worker in the US who makes a pittance of 1K/month still earns more than twice what the average software engineer makes in India :-) Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                            then you guys should charge more. -c


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                              Nish, What are your dreams? What do you want to do with your life? What's holding you back from accomplishing those things? What can your friends at CP contribute to assist you in acheiving them?

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                              Can you imagine life without :- (1) a car for each grown up in the family (2) more than one computer in the house (3) DSL/Cable/T1/T3 (4) having visited a foreign country (5) a credit card with a decent credit limit (6) centralized air conditioning (7) air travel (8) DVD movies The list is only partial, quite partial as a matter of fact... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                                The four choices (1)fix your environment (2)move (3)learn to like your environment (4)do nothing and grumble I'll do (2) first. By then I'd automatically do (3). Then I'd come back and do (1) And while I am at (1)(2)(3) I'll idle myself in (4) once in a while. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                                Good priorities, Nish. Avoid the impossible, do what you can for yourself, take your new abilities and apply them in a way that might help where you came from, then rest on the seventh day. I think there's hope for you, lad!

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                                  then you guys should charge more. -c


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                                  Chris Losinger wrote: then you guys should charge more. Not possible. When more than half the country is below poverty, there will be thousands willing to work for less. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                                    Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. You've got the right idea, Nish. I believe it was Andy Dufresne who said, "Get busy living, or get busy dying." Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara

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                                    Jon Sagara wrote: You've got the right idea, Nish. I believe it was Andy Dufresne who said, "Get busy living, or get busy dying." That sounds fine :-) Very logical in fact. It's like :- Live or Die, but don't do the in-between-stuff. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                                      Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org

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                                      Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. You've got the right idea, Nish. I believe it was Andy Dufresne who said, "Get busy living, or get busy dying." Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara

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                                        Stan Shannon wrote: It was the first name that popped into my mind. I'd have been a lot more happier, if the first name that popped into your mind was TRIVANDRUM. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                                        I have to defend Stan, Nish. Most of us in the US are geographical morons. We're taught world geography, but with the unstated but obvious footnote that it isn't very important; pass the course and forget it. An unfortunate situation, but being involved with this group is helping me to overcome the handicap. I've actually spent some time on the Trivandrum promotional website, learned approximately where it is, and viewed the hotel listing. Singular. No competition. It is trying hard to promote itself as a technology center, and I think that's great. With people like you to draw upon, they should do well. But is that any reason for you to stick around and wait for it to happen? No.

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                                          Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended Very eloquent Nish, My experience has shown me however that folk who are unhappy in the 3rd world when transfered to the 1st world remain unhappy although for entirely new reasons. Thought for thought. Happiness is a state of mind. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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                                          Colin Davies wrote: folk who are unhappy in the 3rd world when transfered to the 1st world remain unhappy although for entirely new reasons. Very astute observation...

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