A 3rd worlder's reality check
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The four choices (1)fix your environment (2)move (3)learn to like your environment (4)do nothing and grumble I'll do (2) first. By then I'd automatically do (3). Then I'd come back and do (1) And while I am at (1)(2)(3) I'll idle myself in (4) once in a while. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
Good priorities, Nish. Avoid the impossible, do what you can for yourself, take your new abilities and apply them in a way that might help where you came from, then rest on the seventh day. I think there's hope for you, lad!
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then you guys should charge more. -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
Chris Losinger wrote: then you guys should charge more. Not possible. When more than half the country is below poverty, there will be thousands willing to work for less. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. You've got the right idea, Nish. I believe it was Andy Dufresne who said, "Get busy living, or get busy dying." Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
Jon Sagara wrote: You've got the right idea, Nish. I believe it was Andy Dufresne who said, "Get busy living, or get busy dying." That sounds fine :-) Very logical in fact. It's like :- Live or Die, but don't do the in-between-stuff. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. You've got the right idea, Nish. I believe it was Andy Dufresne who said, "Get busy living, or get busy dying." Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
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Stan Shannon wrote: It was the first name that popped into my mind. I'd have been a lot more happier, if the first name that popped into your mind was TRIVANDRUM. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
I have to defend Stan, Nish. Most of us in the US are geographical morons. We're taught world geography, but with the unstated but obvious footnote that it isn't very important; pass the course and forget it. An unfortunate situation, but being involved with this group is helping me to overcome the handicap. I've actually spent some time on the Trivandrum promotional website, learned approximately where it is, and viewed the hotel listing. Singular. No competition. It is trying hard to promote itself as a technology center, and I think that's great. With people like you to draw upon, they should do well. But is that any reason for you to stick around and wait for it to happen? No.
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended Very eloquent Nish, My experience has shown me however that folk who are unhappy in the 3rd world when transfered to the 1st world remain unhappy although for entirely new reasons. Thought for thought. Happiness is a state of mind. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
Most people should stick to calculators, Isaac Sasson 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
Colin Davies wrote: folk who are unhappy in the 3rd world when transfered to the 1st world remain unhappy although for entirely new reasons. Very astute observation...
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Good priorities, Nish. Avoid the impossible, do what you can for yourself, take your new abilities and apply them in a way that might help where you came from, then rest on the seventh day. I think there's hope for you, lad!
Roger Wright [CPUA 0x0004] wrote: then rest on the seventh day. When do I get to say the let-there-be-light bit? Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Can you imagine life without :- (1) a car for each grown up in the family (2) more than one computer in the house (3) DSL/Cable/T1/T3 (4) having visited a foreign country (5) a credit card with a decent credit limit (6) centralized air conditioning (7) air travel (8) DVD movies The list is only partial, quite partial as a matter of fact... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
As a matter of fact, I have lived that life. Yes, I can imagine it, and it's not pleasant. If you read my earliest threads, you know that in the past ten years I have had to rebuild my life totally from scratch. It's been a grim journey, and it's nowhere near complete. But here it can be done. I doubt that such opportunity is available to you there, my friend, and I am sympathetic to your cause. I wish you well on your journey, and I think you have what it takes to make it happen. Go to it! PS - Pass on SF. It sucks...
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As a matter of fact, I have lived that life. Yes, I can imagine it, and it's not pleasant. If you read my earliest threads, you know that in the past ten years I have had to rebuild my life totally from scratch. It's been a grim journey, and it's nowhere near complete. But here it can be done. I doubt that such opportunity is available to you there, my friend, and I am sympathetic to your cause. I wish you well on your journey, and I think you have what it takes to make it happen. Go to it! PS - Pass on SF. It sucks...
Roger Wright [CPUA 0x0004] wrote: PS - Pass on SF. It sucks... LOL I mentioned SF cause that's where my company's head quarters is. Actually it is Palo Alto which I believe is near SF or is part of SF. Dunno! Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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...Raleigh, NC. lots of hi-tech, nice weather, nice people. sadly, no jobs right now. but that could change someday. -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
Looking at the online job listings, NC looks like a hot bed of development activity compared to Indiana. It is one of the places I have actually considered going to to find contract work. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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Hey Kannan Recently a kannanis@yahoo added me. I added him back. That's you right? Havent seen him[you] online since then. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Recently a kannanis@yahoo added me. I added him back. That's you right? Havent seen him[you] online since then Yupe that was me Nish. I can come online only from my home. The popular IMs are blocked at my place and couldnt get sonork working behind my office firewall (but its not blocked), any idea on how to configure sonork for the firewall. Cheers Kannan
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Roger Wright [CPUA 0x0004] wrote: PS - Pass on SF. It sucks... LOL I mentioned SF cause that's where my company's head quarters is. Actually it is Palo Alto which I believe is near SF or is part of SF. Dunno! Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
They all run together up there - it's all uniformly awful - wall-to-wall people. You've gotten enough of that overcrowding crap where you are. Try some wide open space for a change; you'll never be able to understand how anyone can live in a city after you've lived outside of one for a time.
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Recently a kannanis@yahoo added me. I added him back. That's you right? Havent seen him[you] online since then Yupe that was me Nish. I can come online only from my home. The popular IMs are blocked at my place and couldnt get sonork working behind my office firewall (but its not blocked), any idea on how to configure sonork for the firewall. Cheers Kannan
Kannan Kalyanaraman wrote: Yupe that was me Nish. I can come online only from my home Okay :-) Kannan Kalyanaraman wrote: The popular IMs are blocked at my place and couldnt get sonork working behind my office firewall (but its not blocked), any idea on how to configure sonork for the firewall. I am behind a NAT firewall. I didnt have to do any tweaking to sonork. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Brit wrote: Good luck to ya. Thank You :-) Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Hmmm, dunno what to think about your dream Nish. I think you can do a whole lot more right where you are. I've never quite understood "thirdworlders" fascination with living in the West. I'm in Africa and I'm staying right here, hopefully I can make a small difference. That's MY dream. So I must say with all due respect that when you say fortune has been cruel to you, well it hurts a little. You have food in your stomach and a roof over your head. I think you should be just a little more grateful for that. Millions of people have neither where I come from and indeed where YOU come from. But maybe all this is redundant because I suppose you COULD go to SF and be able to help out more as a result. But if it never happens, don't be so hard on yourself, you have alot to be thankful for, trust me. :-) Good luck!! Regards Senkwe Just another wannabe code junky
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Senkwe I am very well aware of the fact that there must be 4 billion on earth worse off than I am. But I dont intend to compare myself with people below me. I am looking at the other 2 billion. I will only compare myself with people better off than me, for that's the only way to drive my ambition on... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: But I dont intend to compare myself with people below me I don't know what that means, lets just hope it's one of those things that didn't "come out right" because no one is below or above anyone else. Some people are just luckier than others. All I'm saying is that you're one of the lucky ones. Regards Senkwe Just another wannabe code junky
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Hmmm, dunno what to think about your dream Nish. I think you can do a whole lot more right where you are. I've never quite understood "thirdworlders" fascination with living in the West. I'm in Africa and I'm staying right here, hopefully I can make a small difference. That's MY dream. So I must say with all due respect that when you say fortune has been cruel to you, well it hurts a little. You have food in your stomach and a roof over your head. I think you should be just a little more grateful for that. Millions of people have neither where I come from and indeed where YOU come from. But maybe all this is redundant because I suppose you COULD go to SF and be able to help out more as a result. But if it never happens, don't be so hard on yourself, you have alot to be thankful for, trust me. :-) Good luck!! Regards Senkwe Just another wannabe code junky
Senkwe I am very well aware of the fact that there must be 4 billion on earth worse off than I am. But I dont intend to compare myself with people below me. I am looking at the other 2 billion. I will only compare myself with people better off than me, for that's the only way to drive my ambition on... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
The problem with people is theie selfish. Once you experience good life, you never wanna go back. Not that I know from direct experience. My life is pretty shitty ;P it's kinda like a self inflicted gunshot wound. I understand that our lives are probably totally different, but first world countries don't promise happiness for happiness is all in minds eye! Certainly hunger takes on a different meaning in Canada...even the poorest of poor don't kill for food here. It's easier to rob a store and goto jail, where in Canada...your treated pretty good so I hear. Unless yer a pretty boy and the locals take a liking to you. :laugh: Life sux and then you die! I've always had a bit of a disgruntled attidude towards people born into riches, but yet have an incredible respect for William Gates... :confused: I can respect your wishes in that you would like to keep your success local and help India's growth, but Nish...the success of North Americans doesn't exist becuz we look out for our countrymen back home. Sometimes you gotta learn to look out for yourself. Certainly I can see you making into Canada, might take a little more effort cuz the Sept. 11, but your highly experienced in the hi-tech sector. It's the wave of the future...US, Canada, Japan are way ahead of the game. It would be hard for you to understand my opinion, unless you yourself tasted total freedom. But like I said...if your born with it or once you've experienced it you aren't gonna wanna let it go. Move to Canada heck we'll go into biz togather. Your a third world underdog i'm one of societies blacksheep, I like the odds. Microsoft wouldn't even see us coming. ;P Our low Canadian dollor makes US currency seem like pure gold, and attarcts allot of biz cuz everything is so much cheaper. However Americans are the proudest people on this planet, so i'm sure they'd rather spend the buck at home. Living straight North of them give us an advantage over other competing countries. What am i trying to say? I dunno myself. :-D You should look out for you, move to Canada and live life, the way life was meant to be lived.??? :confused: ;P As honourable as it is to wanna help fellow countrymen you goota ask yourself, who is it yer living for. This selfishness is the reson for success. I figure theres no way you can truly be both...you gotta pick, for some (Bill Gates) it's easy, for more compassionate people the choice isn't always so obvious. Hope the best for you and hope you make the right choice! Cheers "An e
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: But I dont intend to compare myself with people below me I don't know what that means, lets just hope it's one of those things that didn't "come out right" because no one is below or above anyone else. Some people are just luckier than others. All I'm saying is that you're one of the lucky ones. Regards Senkwe Just another wannabe code junky
Senkwe Chanda wrote: don't know what that means, lets just hope it's one of those things that didn't "come out right" because no one is below or above anyone else. That's just philosophy. The world is not equal Senkwe. Some people due to luck or fortune or whatever, are better off than others. Lets take a poor afghan child who was born while his whole country was getting bombed. He is below anyone of us as far as being a normal human being goes. Its got nothing to do with him, rather more to do with his circumstances. I am not saying 4 billion people suck. I am saying that as long as there are 2 billion people better off than me in both spiritual and material ways, I am going to try to improve my world ranking as a fortunate human being. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org