All the Vista Bashing
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
It gets me from point a to point b.
"It is not the destination that makes the journey worthwhile." - proverb Besides I was there once (point b) it was very disappointing ;P
led mike wrote:
It is not the destination that makes the journey worthwhile."
Exactly, which is why I am happy taking twice the time and enjoying it.
led mike wrote:
Besides I was there once (point b) it was very disappointing
Point B is my home. I am very please with it. :-D Sorry you are not as happy. ;P "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."
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How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
We have yet to recover from the shock.David Stone wrote:
Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless".
are there a lot of people saying either of those things ? i played with one of the Betas months and months ago and didn't find anything that made me want to squeal with glee. a slick new shell? meh. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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I keep XP on the Win2k scheme, find the XP scheme to space consuming and distracting. One good thing - MS keep supporting products for a long time. I think it was abotu a year ago they stopped continued support for NT4. The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote:
I keep XP on the Win2k scheme, find the XP scheme to space consuming and distracting
that means you're smart - like me. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
We have yet to recover from the shock.So far I have only tried to run it in a Virtual PC. The result was that it pegs my CPU (3.0GHz 2GB memory) at 100%. The VPC is almost unusable (10-15 seconds to bring up control panel, even in windows classic UI mode). Of course it was still busy trying to index all the files after an hour, so maybe it'll settle down if I let it run long enough to finish...(cab't change the indexing settings or stop the indexer until its done, as far as I can tell. In Vista UI mode it was utterly unuseable (2 minutes to call up display settings so I could turn it off). I can understand this to a degree, since the VPC graphics adapter is all emulation, but was dissappointed that it didn't figure that out on its own and default to windows classic. In fact, the system performance tools shows all aspects of the "hardware" to be "green" - ok to run Vista... Underwhelmed so far...
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I'm way with you David. Most people don't even realize they've hopped on a band-wagon. Wagon-bashing is the term I've coined for it. People don't understand that they have a choice. They don't have to use Vista and they should just make their choice and be quiet. Instead everyone has to be an expert especially with something they haven't used. So they register their opinions etc, etc, etc... It's cool to bash Microsoft right?:rolleyes:
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code-frog wrote:
People don't understand that they have a choice
who doesn't understand that ? got any names ?
code-frog wrote:
They don't have to use Vista and they should just make their choice and be quiet.
if people are going to ask questions about Vista in this forum, other people are going to offer their opinions. "be quiet" isn't a CP value. if you want a strictly pro-Vista echo chamber, i'm sure MS has one set up somewhere.
code-frog wrote:
Instead everyone has to be an expert especially with something they haven't used.
mighty big assumption Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
We have yet to recover from the shock.David Stone wrote:
The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do.
Overdue for several years now. -> sudo
David Stone wrote:
And the Aero Glass experience is awesome
Not new again -> Xgl/MacOS
David Stone wrote:
Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension.
I guess that took the delevopers about 5 minutes to program. Not new again -> Gnome What I really liked about Vista (I tested an earlier build a few weeks ago) was the look&feel and the "Windows Calendar". But that was about all. What I had missed was WinFS, Monad and a thought-out UAC, and a proper system-wide software management (keeping all software up-to-date) Right now I'll stick to WinXP (games, development) and Linux (all other stuff). Btw. could you do me a favor? In the last build I tested, Vista did not allow me to use a slash "/" in my PPPoE username. Could you open up that wizard and try to enter a username with a slash in it? thanks regards
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How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
We have yet to recover from the shock.David Stone wrote:
How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time?
Why are you so defensive? It is just a tool. I've been using it for a week and I think that Aero Glass is CRAP. Is there any real reason for the transparent windows? The differentiation between a window in the foreground and a window in the background is wayyyyyyyyyyyy to subtle :) Also, is there any reason for the Title Bar of a window to become pitch black when you maximize a window? This just seems to inconsistent to me. Oh, and who came up with the silly user picture in the menu bar. God forbid I forget who I am. I don't mind UAC. And, I think the built-in mail client and calendar are workable. I don't like the way contacts are managed...seems kind like a kludge to me. I like some of the other options like BitLocker and the “image based system backup”. (Although it better be phenomenal to win my business from Acronis). Also, some of the ideas from Avalon seem pretty cool from a devs point of view. But, based on my current experiance on 2 seperate machines; I am not excited about this product. The question MS needs to answer for me is "why should I upgrade?" I haven’t noticed any real innovation in the user experience. But, why should we rely on MS to do that; rember what the XP in Windows XP was susposed to stand for?....... eXPerience. Oh, why 5 fricken versions Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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I've gone over 100 in mine. Purrs like a kitten.
espeir wrote:
100
How long did it take to do 100 miles? 20 hrs @ 5 mph? Sure you didn't put too much stress on the cat?
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I'm way with you David. Most people don't even realize they've hopped on a band-wagon. Wagon-bashing is the term I've coined for it. People don't understand that they have a choice. They don't have to use Vista and they should just make their choice and be quiet. Instead everyone has to be an expert especially with something they haven't used. So they register their opinions etc, etc, etc... It's cool to bash Microsoft right?:rolleyes:
"You have an arrow in your butt!" - Fiona:cool:
Welcome to CP in your language. Post the unicode version in My CP Blog [ ^ ] now.People who don't understand how awesome Firefox is have never used CPhog[^]CPhog. The act of using CPhog (Firefox)[^] alone doesn't make Firefox cool. It opens your eyes to the possibilities and then you start looking for other things like CPhog (Firefox)[^] and your eyes are suddenly open to all sorts of useful things all through Firefox. - (Self Quote)
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David Stone wrote:
How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time?
Why are you so defensive? It is just a tool. I've been using it for a week and I think that Aero Glass is CRAP. Is there any real reason for the transparent windows? The differentiation between a window in the foreground and a window in the background is wayyyyyyyyyyyy to subtle :) Also, is there any reason for the Title Bar of a window to become pitch black when you maximize a window? This just seems to inconsistent to me. Oh, and who came up with the silly user picture in the menu bar. God forbid I forget who I am. I don't mind UAC. And, I think the built-in mail client and calendar are workable. I don't like the way contacts are managed...seems kind like a kludge to me. I like some of the other options like BitLocker and the “image based system backup”. (Although it better be phenomenal to win my business from Acronis). Also, some of the ideas from Avalon seem pretty cool from a devs point of view. But, based on my current experiance on 2 seperate machines; I am not excited about this product. The question MS needs to answer for me is "why should I upgrade?" I haven’t noticed any real innovation in the user experience. But, why should we rely on MS to do that; rember what the XP in Windows XP was susposed to stand for?....... eXPerience. Oh, why 5 fricken versions Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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David Stone wrote:
The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do.
Overdue for several years now. -> sudo
David Stone wrote:
And the Aero Glass experience is awesome
Not new again -> Xgl/MacOS
David Stone wrote:
Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension.
I guess that took the delevopers about 5 minutes to program. Not new again -> Gnome What I really liked about Vista (I tested an earlier build a few weeks ago) was the look&feel and the "Windows Calendar". But that was about all. What I had missed was WinFS, Monad and a thought-out UAC, and a proper system-wide software management (keeping all software up-to-date) Right now I'll stick to WinXP (games, development) and Linux (all other stuff). Btw. could you do me a favor? In the last build I tested, Vista did not allow me to use a slash "/" in my PPPoE username. Could you open up that wizard and try to enter a username with a slash in it? thanks regards
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Chris Austin wrote:
I've been using it for a week
So does that mean you are "Wagon-bashing" or "Vista-bashing"? Or both? ohhhh I'm so confused :confused:
What do I call you, a fan-boy? I gave an honest user's review. You'll notice I've even praised some of the features. And who fuck are you to speak up any more than I am. I am a paying MS customer, I've sold MS technoligies to my customers (SQL Server and Win 2003 makes MS lots of friggin money) and I've supported MS dev tools for a long time. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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What do I call you, a fan-boy? I gave an honest user's review. You'll notice I've even praised some of the features. And who fuck are you to speak up any more than I am. I am a paying MS customer, I've sold MS technoligies to my customers (SQL Server and Win 2003 makes MS lots of friggin money) and I've supported MS dev tools for a long time. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Not at all flaming you. The seriousness of this thread escapes me so... I am using your "1 week" statement to have some fun with this earlier post[^] where
code-frog wrote:
Wagon-bashing is the term I've coined for it.
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Chris Austin wrote:
What do I call you, a fan-boy?
no, "never used it-boy" would be more accurate but I would prefer "mike" or "led" or "led mike" since you are asking :)
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W2K Pro, without a doubt. XP brings nothing of any significance to the party. And if your W2K crashes, you don't have to do the activation dance. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!
If you already own Windows 2000, then an upgrade may seem pointless. But the fact is that XP runs way more smoothly than Windows 2000. It boots faster, it executes faster, and it looks better (even classic mode), at least in my experience. I probably won't use Vista until 2008. (I buy computers every three years :))
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Crap is still crap - it doesn't matter what stage of its existance we're talking about...
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Not at all flaming you. The seriousness of this thread escapes me so... I am using your "1 week" statement to have some fun with this earlier post[^] where
code-frog wrote:
Wagon-bashing is the term I've coined for it.
Also
Chris Austin wrote:
What do I call you, a fan-boy?
no, "never used it-boy" would be more accurate but I would prefer "mike" or "led" or "led mike" since you are asking :)
My apologies :rose: Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
