Is this a good thing?
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I'd rather read about the Plain English Compiler (even though I too find it mildly annoying) than the stupid "It's Friday"-threads. So maybe if the "Clan of CodeProject" stopped playing the police of the Internet there would be something for everybody.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn RandRohde wrote:
the police of the Internet
Was I away during Chris' hostile take-over of the internet? Wow!
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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I'd rather read about the Plain English Compiler (even though I too find it mildly annoying) than the stupid "It's Friday"-threads. So maybe if the "Clan of CodeProject" stopped playing the police of the Internet there would be something for everybody.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
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Chris Maunder wrote:
We are here to: a) Help developers in their Visual Studio and .NET development b) Allow authors to showcase their Visual Studio and .NET talents c) Focus on Visual Studio and .NET in order to keep things simple for everyone I've put everything I have in me for the last 7 years to stay on track with these goals.
Are you quite sure? Seven years? (1) The subtitle under your logo that says "Your Visual Studio and .NET Homepage" was not there when we first joined less than a year ago; I have a screen shot of the CodeProject home page - with the advertisement you sold us displayed in the upper left - to prove it. You knew who we were and what we were selling at that time; why didn't you refuse to sell us advertising, or at least discourage us from buying? On the contrary, you and your employees encouraged us to advertise here, and the trend continues: one of your members encouraged us to take out more ads this very day, and another platinum-level member and one of your "protectors" suggested that we write articles for the site on natural language programming. A third individual suggested we advertise in our signature (a suggestion that several high-ranking members have made to us before). (2) The .NET framework was not a serious contender for development seven years ago. (3) A cursory examination of the lounge reveals over 100 distinct messages discussing LINUX, all posted within the last month. (4) The "Mathematics and Algorithms" forum appears to be quite general in scope and character. (5) The brand new "Design and Architecture" forum gives no indication that it is product-specific. (6) The General Discussions forum still carries the description, "For discussing anything relevant to this site, or to the developer community as a whole." (7) The Lounge is described as a place "For lazing about and discussing anything that takes your fancy." (8) The Soapbox is provided specifically for "off-topic" rants and states that "If you want to get something off your chest then do it here," where "something" clearly means "pretty much anything" based on the content of that forum. (9) The Work and Training Issues forum is broad enough to include those who want to "Talk about work issues, get tips on resume writing or discussion certification programs." How that is Visual Studio or .NET specific escapes me. (10) Not to mention that there is also a SQL forum, a
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The Grand Negus wrote:
then Plain English programmers are dolphins or whales
sorry, dolphins can understand fractions, geodetic locations, and massively large number theory. PE would be the simplest of creatures... by your own definition, they would be jelly fish, demanding the ocean turn in their direction. Whales and dolphins understand adaption, you yourself say "make straight the way", therefore you are the jelly fish, demanding the ocean currents bend to your will, and cursing them for not doing so.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Hey Jeffry! Here's something ironically humorous, since we were discussing "disciples" elsewhere in this thread. I just noticed that the guy who posted below (Phil Harding) says in his profile here, and I quote, "Since discovering Windows in the early 90's I've never looked back and consider myself to be a fully paid-up practising disciple of the Microsoft church." I guess the Osmosian Order isn't the only one proselytizing around here!:)
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Hey Jeffry! Here's something ironically humorous, since we were discussing "disciples" elsewhere in this thread. I just noticed that the guy who posted below (Phil Harding) says in his profile here, and I quote, "Since discovering Windows in the early 90's I've never looked back and consider myself to be a fully paid-up practising disciple of the Microsoft church." I guess the Osmosian Order isn't the only one proselytizing around here!:)
The Grand Negus wrote:
I guess the Osmosian Order isn't the only one proselytizing around here!
he was joking, you are proselytizing. :rolleyes:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The Grand Negus wrote:
I guess the Osmosian Order isn't the only one proselytizing around here!
he was joking, you are proselytizing. :rolleyes:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
he was joking, you are proselytizing.
True, and not true. Phil may be joking, but Maunder isn't; he's very serious about "converting" the world to Microsoft's way of thinking and doing. And while it's true that I am proselytizing, I'm clearly doing so with a distinct sense of humor. Do you think I call myself "Grand Negus" - offering my hairy ears as justification for the title - because I think that will make people take me seriously?
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
he was joking, you are proselytizing.
True, and not true. Phil may be joking, but Maunder isn't; he's very serious about "converting" the world to Microsoft's way of thinking and doing. And while it's true that I am proselytizing, I'm clearly doing so with a distinct sense of humor. Do you think I call myself "Grand Negus" - offering my hairy ears as justification for the title - because I think that will make people take me seriously?
The Grand Negus wrote:
but Maunder isn't; he's very serious about "converting" the world to Microsoft's way of thinking and doing.
Build your own servers, build your own site, create your own forum written in PE, and then you won't have to bother Maunder on the machines he pays for. You might as well go into Microsoft owned buildings and start yelling at everyone to convert to PE. Only then you would find yourself arrested for disturbing the peace, tresspassing, or any number of other minor crimes that prevent you from proselytizing on private property EVEN IN THE USA.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The Grand Negus wrote:
a re-write of our Plain English development system in C#
Your suggestion fails to meet the needs of the original poster asking for assistance. He needs a practical application from the real world as an example. A development environment or compiler, regardless of the target language, doesn't strike me as a good place to start.
The Grand Negus wrote:
without cost or obligation
I checked your website. The only way to obtain significant information on your product is to buy it. Your manifesto states that your 'royalty fees are reasonable'. A purchase is not 'without cost'. Royalty fees imply a contract, which is an obligation. Even your offer of 'free evaluation copies' fails to meet this criteria, since you restrict those to requestors that meet your approval, which is another form of contract.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Is this a good thing?
Yes it is. You consistently violate the standard of behavior here at Code Project. Contrary to what you've posted elsewhere in this thread, that standard is posted on the Lounge main page: do not post ads. Practically every response you make that I have ever seen can easily be construed as an advertisement for your "Plain English" product. This meets the definition of spam.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
Your suggestion fails to meet the needs of the original poster asking for assistance.
I think the original poster is a ruse, see posters profile[^] I would not be surprised if "hpjchobbes" is "Negus", (or as someone else pointed out "The Grand Nag Us" :laugh:) trying a new scheme to advertise his wares. X| It is just a bit suspect that this "hpjchobbes" joins on December 30th and posts this great segue for advertising, yet again, some cult software product. :~ Both posts were to the same thread; one to start it and the other to give thanks for the reply. Sounds like a setup. :rolleyes: Where is "hpjchobbes" by the way; he, I presume it is a he, posted this question within minutes of joining and didn’t even have the courtesy to reply to any of the other respondents except this one? :| Next "hpjchobbes" will be referencing bible passages illustrating how once he was lost but has read the manifesto and now has seen the light. :rolleyes:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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The Grand Negus wrote:
but Maunder isn't; he's very serious about "converting" the world to Microsoft's way of thinking and doing.
Build your own servers, build your own site, create your own forum written in PE, and then you won't have to bother Maunder on the machines he pays for. You might as well go into Microsoft owned buildings and start yelling at everyone to convert to PE. Only then you would find yourself arrested for disturbing the peace, tresspassing, or any number of other minor crimes that prevent you from proselytizing on private property EVEN IN THE USA.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
Only then you would find yourself arrested for disturbing the peace, tresspassing, or any number of other minor crimes that prevent you from proselytizing on private property EVEN IN THE USA.
Right. Which is along the same lines as my closing remarks to Maunder above. The physical world works as well as it does because there are legal and inforceable definitions of things such as "trespassing". The virtual world of the internet doesn't work quite right because the uninhibited "free exchange of information" is in conflict with various rights of individuals and limitations necessary to make the thing operate smoothly. Eventually, Maunder will have to either force out people who don't fit his profile, or not let them in in the first place. Right now, he's got a problem because he's not fully willing to do either - he lets anyone in to bump the member count, and doesn't decrement it when someone leaves under any conditions; in fact, there is no user-accessible facility for leaving. And so we get mixed messages (which I, admittedly, am taking advantage of). When this site is clearly a Microsoft-only site, and one is required to agree to stated conditions in order to become a CodeProject disciple (sorry, member), I'll be excluded simply because I won't accept those terms; and if I did appear in that future CodeProject, I'd be quickly ejected as a trespasser. But CodeProject is not, yet, such a place; many here who joined when it was different still wish it was more diverse, like it was when they first became members (see the Suggestion forum for evidence). In other words, it seems like Maunder gathered his membership under one pretense, but is now attempting to implement the "hidden agenda" on which he has been working so hard for seven years.
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code-frog wrote:
If you are going to be here then take the lumps, good and bad and don't cry for the referee's to make some ruling every time you feel you've been fouled.
Agreed. As you well know, I've taken many lumps and have responded directly and civily to the "lumper" in every case. The only time I've "cried for the referee" is when a post got deleted because that gives an unfair advantage to the "lumpers" and makes the free exchange of ideas impossible.
The Grand Negus wrote:
The only time I've "cried for the referee" is when a post product endorsement got deleted because that gives an unfair advantage to the "lumpers" and makes the free exchange of ideas advertisement of my product impossible .
:doh::doh::doh:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
Only then you would find yourself arrested for disturbing the peace, tresspassing, or any number of other minor crimes that prevent you from proselytizing on private property EVEN IN THE USA.
Right. Which is along the same lines as my closing remarks to Maunder above. The physical world works as well as it does because there are legal and inforceable definitions of things such as "trespassing". The virtual world of the internet doesn't work quite right because the uninhibited "free exchange of information" is in conflict with various rights of individuals and limitations necessary to make the thing operate smoothly. Eventually, Maunder will have to either force out people who don't fit his profile, or not let them in in the first place. Right now, he's got a problem because he's not fully willing to do either - he lets anyone in to bump the member count, and doesn't decrement it when someone leaves under any conditions; in fact, there is no user-accessible facility for leaving. And so we get mixed messages (which I, admittedly, am taking advantage of). When this site is clearly a Microsoft-only site, and one is required to agree to stated conditions in order to become a CodeProject disciple (sorry, member), I'll be excluded simply because I won't accept those terms; and if I did appear in that future CodeProject, I'd be quickly ejected as a trespasser. But CodeProject is not, yet, such a place; many here who joined when it was different still wish it was more diverse, like it was when they first became members (see the Suggestion forum for evidence). In other words, it seems like Maunder gathered his membership under one pretense, but is now attempting to implement the "hidden agenda" on which he has been working so hard for seven years.
The Grand Negus wrote:
The virtual world of the internet doesn't work quite right because the uninhibited "free exchange of information" is in conflict with various rights of individuals and limitations necessary to make the thing operate smoothly.
On the contrary, as has been shown, legally in US and other country courts, granting permission to "use" a computer on a temporary basis (forum, or website, etc.) does not give a person complete and total use, nor complete freedom to do as they choose. The same rules apply, in the real world, as the virtual, computer tresspass has been used under real-world physical tresspass rules. The existance of a welcome mat, does not mean you have a right to enter the house, so too the existance of a forum does not mean you can do as you want either. Nor does he really have to be consistant, because it is his computers. You can complain all you want, but just as if he asked you to leave his house, if he asks you to leave his computer, you are compelled to do so through legal means. Although it is more difficult to enforce and not worth his effort, you are in the wrong when asked to stop, you should, because you are in his house, his computer. You are being rude, you are the one in the wrong. There are few digital laws regarding computer tresspass, which is why modern extensions of physical laws have been applied. These are usually only applied where damage has been done, or restricted files read, they do not ONLY apply to those actions, they are simply using those physical laws for reference in the virtual. Therefore, you are simply lucky that the court systems would be overrun with rude people being taken to court for computer tresspass due to unethical concepts within their own mind and upbringing.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The Grand Negus wrote:
The virtual world of the internet doesn't work quite right because the uninhibited "free exchange of information" is in conflict with various rights of individuals and limitations necessary to make the thing operate smoothly.
On the contrary, as has been shown, legally in US and other country courts, granting permission to "use" a computer on a temporary basis (forum, or website, etc.) does not give a person complete and total use, nor complete freedom to do as they choose. The same rules apply, in the real world, as the virtual, computer tresspass has been used under real-world physical tresspass rules. The existance of a welcome mat, does not mean you have a right to enter the house, so too the existance of a forum does not mean you can do as you want either. Nor does he really have to be consistant, because it is his computers. You can complain all you want, but just as if he asked you to leave his house, if he asks you to leave his computer, you are compelled to do so through legal means. Although it is more difficult to enforce and not worth his effort, you are in the wrong when asked to stop, you should, because you are in his house, his computer. You are being rude, you are the one in the wrong. There are few digital laws regarding computer tresspass, which is why modern extensions of physical laws have been applied. These are usually only applied where damage has been done, or restricted files read, they do not ONLY apply to those actions, they are simply using those physical laws for reference in the virtual. Therefore, you are simply lucky that the court systems would be overrun with rude people being taken to court for computer tresspass due to unethical concepts within their own mind and upbringing.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I'm just saying we joined under one set of rules and expectations - money changing hands for the purchase of advertisements indicating some kind of agreement - and are now being asked to leave under a different set of rules. That's all. But as I said before, when Maunder finally succeeds in eliminating everything non-Microsoft from his site, we will also be gone. It would be interesting, however, to poll all of the members to find out if they are really in favor of this "mutation" into a Microsoft-only site. Such a poll, carefully conducted, would also provide a great opportunity to "clean up" the membership roster, eliminating duplicates, frauds, and others who have been inactive for a long time!
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I'm just saying we joined under one set of rules and expectations - money changing hands for the purchase of advertisements indicating some kind of agreement - and are now being asked to leave under a different set of rules. That's all. But as I said before, when Maunder finally succeeds in eliminating everything non-Microsoft from his site, we will also be gone. It would be interesting, however, to poll all of the members to find out if they are really in favor of this "mutation" into a Microsoft-only site. Such a poll, carefully conducted, would also provide a great opportunity to "clean up" the membership roster, eliminating duplicates, frauds, and others who have been inactive for a long time!
The Grand Negus wrote:
But as I said before, when Maunder finally succeeds in eliminating everything non-Microsoft from his site, we will also be gone.
So you could go into a Microsoft building and demand to speak as long as they support OpenGL? Seems pretty petty. But what ever unethical behavior thrills you, go for it, but don't expect to be received well. You are treated as you treat others here, you get back all the rudeness you put out, only you complain as if you are the innocent. You are far from it, simply another rude extension of Kyle, only older, and should know better. Perhaps you should recruite him, he's just your style.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The Grand Negus wrote:
But as I said before, when Maunder finally succeeds in eliminating everything non-Microsoft from his site, we will also be gone.
So you could go into a Microsoft building and demand to speak as long as they support OpenGL? Seems pretty petty. But what ever unethical behavior thrills you, go for it, but don't expect to be received well. You are treated as you treat others here, you get back all the rudeness you put out, only you complain as if you are the innocent. You are far from it, simply another rude extension of Kyle, only older, and should know better. Perhaps you should recruite him, he's just your style.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
You are far from it, simply another rude extension of Kyle, only older, and should know better.
But we all know that Kyle is a mythical figure, while the Grand Negus of the Osmosian Order of Plain English Programmers is a real person who lives in an Ivory Tower surrounded by the serfs who, in season, faithfully labor to harvest the sweet-smelling hay that grows in the soft, green meadows that adorn his hillside estate... Rats! Where is that literary Shog when I need him!
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
You are far from it, simply another rude extension of Kyle, only older, and should know better.
But we all know that Kyle is a mythical figure, while the Grand Negus of the Osmosian Order of Plain English Programmers is a real person who lives in an Ivory Tower surrounded by the serfs who, in season, faithfully labor to harvest the sweet-smelling hay that grows in the soft, green meadows that adorn his hillside estate... Rats! Where is that literary Shog when I need him!
The Grand Negus wrote:
while the Grand Negus of the Osmosian Order of Plain English Programmers is a real person who lives in an Ivory Tower surrounded by the serfs who, in season, faithfully labor to harvest the sweet-smelling hay that grows in the soft, green meadows that adorn his hillside estate...
:rolleyes: medititate on the river, it'll do you far more good than anything else you have ever done.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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A couple of days ago a guy asked for assistance "getting over the beginner hump" in the General Discussions forum. He's a C# programmer; his request said, "I am looking for something that would walk a person through completion of a mildly complex program, starting from the design and planning phase and ending with a final release product." I offered to walk him through a re-write of our Plain English development system in C# - without cost or obligation. This offer was met, surprisingly, with strong resistance and nasty remarks from many; and - thankfully - with a few words of support from others. Fine; everyone has an opinion. But then the offer was "reported as spam or abuse" and deleted by the powers that be. Is this a good thing?
If you are attempting to help him understand C# then its not spam. If this is a mechanism to promote PlainEnglish in response to a request for help with C# then it is spam. I think the confusion lies in that you state to help show C# by building the PlainEnglish system, and people get lost in the fact that you've promoted PlainEnglish so heavily.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
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If you are attempting to help him understand C# then its not spam. If this is a mechanism to promote PlainEnglish in response to a request for help with C# then it is spam. I think the confusion lies in that you state to help show C# by building the PlainEnglish system, and people get lost in the fact that you've promoted PlainEnglish so heavily.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
If you are attempting to help him understand C# then its not spam. If this is a mechanism to promote PlainEnglish in response to a request for help with C# then it is spam.
Actually, my intent was both, and more, so I'm not sure how you would classify it. I am quite sure that the exercise will improve his understanding of, and proficiency in, C#. I am equally sure that he will, throughout the project, be comparing the two approaches and making judgements regarding the strengths and weaknesses of each. I was also hoping, in the course of the exercise, to cover a wide variety of other, language-inspecific topics, including user interface design, compiler construction methods, performance tuning techniques, and so forth. Now, did I think, in the end, he'd be a better all-around C# programmer? No doubt. A better programmer, in general? No doubt again. Did I think, in the end, that he'd be "converted" to our way of thinking and doing and eventually become a productive, contributing member of the Osmosian Order of Plain English Programmers? Perhaps; I don't know. Some people just don't "see it"; others see it but have other things to do. While a few get that light in their eye and there's no stopping them. I think your question goes to motive: Are my motives "pure" in the sense that I want to teach C#, and only C#, and make this guy a fanatical proponent of C#? Of course not. But neither are my motives "mixed" in the usual sense - just "higher" than the choice of a particular syntax or approach. I want the guy to learn all he can about as much as he can so he can intelligently make his own choice. And if that's spam, then get bread and the mustard, because there's plenty more where that came from!
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Marc Clifton wrote:
One thing this site has taught me more than just about any other life experience, is not to hold a grudge. It's also really hammered home "you can't control things you're not in charge of". Frankly, I would suggest you continue to develop your ideas and promote your product and just let CP go.
Thanks. And as I've said before, I think you are a fair and reasonable man. But it's not really a "grudge" that we're talking about here - though I can see how it might sound that way. It's more that I don't see any significant encouragement to justify the effort necessary to take steps in the direction you suggested earlier. If and when a light at the end of the tunnel appears, however, I would sincerely hope that I wouldn't let bygones interfere with movement toward that light. Regarding the most recent suggestion above, however, I need to remind you that what you see on these forums is not the whole story. This very thread, for example, generated a request from a person who does not appear on the thread, and the same thing happened just yesterday; it is these people we hope to reach through CodeProject. So, when should the Apostle Paul abandon the Jews and restrict himself entirely to a Gentile ministry? And at what point should Martin Luther make his less-than-graceful exit from the Roman Catholic church? How often should Gene Amdahl go back to IBM and try to convince them he's right, before he sets out on his own? Should Steve Jobs stay at Apple, leave, come back, or leave again? We know that we will most likely, in the end, part company with CodeProject altogether. But now? When so many of the members haven't yet expressed an opinion either way? Well, perhaps...
The Grand Negus wrote:
So, when should the Apostle Paul abandon the Jews and restrict himself entirely to a Gentile ministry?
Never. He hijacked the religion and bent it to Rome's needs. He's a liar.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
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The Grand Negus wrote:
while the Grand Negus of the Osmosian Order of Plain English Programmers is a real person who lives in an Ivory Tower surrounded by the serfs who, in season, faithfully labor to harvest the sweet-smelling hay that grows in the soft, green meadows that adorn his hillside estate...
:rolleyes: medititate on the river, it'll do you far more good than anything else you have ever done.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
medititate on the river, it'll do you far more good than anything else you have ever done.
Okay, I spent some time thinking about it, and here's what I thought. Sometimes, rivers slowly and peacefully erode the land under them, making a new landscape with hardly anyone even noticing. But at other times, rivers violently sweep away everything in their path to achieve the same end. Which, I don't think, is what you intended. But it is consistent with my master's teaching, "On some, have compassion, making a distinction; others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." If we can agree that there is a place in education for both the babbling brook and the torrential flood, then we can discuss which best suits the CodeProject crowd at this time; but if you can't agree that both are reasonable and appropriate techniques, properly applied, then this discussion must, of necessity, end here.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
A true disciple, a true student, is won by respect, not religious dogma.
Are you quite sure? "The Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumblingblock, and to the Greeks foolishness; but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
A river flows downhill, it follows the laws of gravity. Through valleys and past mountains it meanders. It does not seek to force the mountains to move, it does not demand to roll uphill. It is the greatest teacher of all, for its force is unmistakably strong. But it does bend, it respects the world around it, and the laws that govern it. It adapts, it moves with the wind, and with the changing landscape, just as it also changes the landscape on its own. A true teacher is like a river, adapting, learning also, not demanding that the world change for it.
Very poetic. But I can't buy it. One of my masters warned me that "whosoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God" and I believe he was right. The world, Jeffry, is wrong about almost everything (which explains why things are such a universal mess). So I'm not at all interested in "adapting" to the world; I've accepted the fact that I'm a stranger and a pilgrim here and will be until the day I die. Until then, I'm just the voice of one crying in the wilderness, "Make straight the way..."
The Grand Negus wrote:
Are you quite sure? "The Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumblingblock, and to the Greeks foolishness; but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."
The river analogy is more natural. Religion is artificial. What you are quoting are not "true students". And you are using Religion as your basis here when discussing a scientific matter.
The Grand Negus wrote:
ne of my masters warned me that "whosoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God" and I believe he was right.
So you are not open to new ideas then? You're just gonna accept what someone else tokd you to believe. Whatever you believe imprisons you. And being a friend of the world I believe is in reference to People, and not the laws of nature. Even Jesus used analogies based on nature to convey his points. In fact it was Paul who adapted the religion of Jesus to the world. Making him the friend of the world and the enemy of God, using your own language. So Christianity is then by that logic an enemy of God. I think we do a disservice when bringing in religious analogies when discussing matters of science. And this is Computer Science.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder