Why Java is falling behide

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I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide. 1.) The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE. 2.) java app not only take longer to start, but it consume much greater amout of memory compared to .net. 3.) The UI visual appearence is not what most user would be expected. 4.) The default install of java install funny things to the tray and control panel, which, normal user would found confusing. 5.) People look at .NET framework as an addon to Windows, but look at Java as a third party trouble.

Rocky Moore

I think it is more in how Java was handled than anything else. If they just would not have tried to control Java so much and made it open from the beginning, there probably would have never been a .NET.

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Marc Clifton

Because it was always behind compared to native compiled code. And because the cross platform compatibility soapbox that people raved about never manifested as reality, IMO. Marc

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Shog9 0

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The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE.

Yeah, WPF+WWF+WTF is so much more appealing... :rolleyes: But the rest of your points are good. Add in the fact that probably the first exposure many of us had with Java was as crappy little slow-to-load applets on web pages...

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Aaron VanWieren

Also the cross platform nature of java leads the development to be extremely open. If you have a large project you will have to find a way to architect a solution probably using a framework and then there are numerous ones of those to choose. With .net allot of the framework is provided for you. The other big issue with java is jdbc itself... It reeks. Aaron

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Lost User

.jpg wrote:

I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide.

Where did you hear that it's lagging behind? Seriously - I've not heard this, so I'm curious. I was under the impression that it is still one of the most widely used languages around. Cheers, Drew.

amclint

Shog9 wrote:

Add in the fact that probably the first exposure many of us had with Java was as crappy little slow-to-load applets on web pages...

:laugh: Yeah I used to hate java apps on web pages...wait I still do! Freaking crap loads slow on my otherwise fast machine. Before .net was huge I made some dang slick stuff in java, so I give it props for that. Anymore though it's easier to use c# and less of a hassle IMHO (anyone else write code in debug mode?)

Aaron Clint Work

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No offense, but you really need to sync with todays market.

amclint

I've read a few articles (have to look for links) that talk about market saturation of .Net being quite high. Last company I was at had to decide Java or .Net for their platform going forward and the arguments for Java were not what they once were.

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Colin Angus Mackay

Drew's question is valid. Can you cite some sources?

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Java's lagging behide is a fact, I am just speaking on the WHY. I love the Java language too, but you have to let go, if not, YOU will lag behide with your favorite language.

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Lost User

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No offense, but you really need to sync with todays market.

Oh I'm well sync'd. Java penetration in the desktop market might be small, but there's a lot more to the software market than that. My understanding is that Java has a lot bigger part of the rest of the pie than some might think. Cheers, Drew.

Lost User

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Java's lagging behide is a fact

Without sources to back that up it's not anything close to a 'fact'.

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I love the Java language too

I don't love Java - rarely even use it.

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but you have to let go, if not, YOU will lag behide with your favorite language

I use what's appropriate for the problem at hand. Sometimes that includes Java because of the vast array of scientific libraries available. Cheers, Drew.

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ed welch

When you say "Java" I assume you mean J2EE, because the mobile version of Java (J2ME) is taking off big time. In fact all other platforms pale in comparison with the marketshare that J2ME has

Chris Losinger

i assume by "events" you mean something completely different from the events Windows has been using since v1.0.

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Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

Doesn't seem to exist on non windows boxes. Also, I am running SQL Developer right now which I believe is in Java and there is no funky box. Of course with .NET being almost a part of the Windows OS there is no real way to compare the footprints of the two. Unless we got ourselves one of those nifty chips that executives Java natively. In fact my Razor is fairly fast and I think it is in Java too.

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