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  • J jpg 0

    No offense, but you really need to sync with todays market.

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    Colin Angus Mackay
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    Drew's question is valid. Can you cite some sources?

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      I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide.

      Where did you hear that it's lagging behind? Seriously - I've not heard this, so I'm curious. I was under the impression that it is still one of the most widely used languages around. Cheers, Drew.

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      Java's lagging behide is a fact, I am just speaking on the WHY. I love the Java language too, but you have to let go, if not, YOU will lag behide with your favorite language.

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        I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide. 1.) The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE. 2.) java app not only take longer to start, but it consume much greater amout of memory compared to .net. 3.) The UI visual appearence is not what most user would be expected. 4.) The default install of java install funny things to the tray and control panel, which, normal user would found confusing. 5.) People look at .NET framework as an addon to Windows, but look at Java as a third party trouble.

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        Judah Gabriel Himango
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        No functional programming constructs. If you can't pass around functions as variables/symbols, you can't do events and event handlers, you can't do functional operations on generic lists, you can't do LINQ...

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        • J jpg 0

          No offense, but you really need to sync with todays market.

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          Lost User
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          .jpg wrote:

          No offense, but you really need to sync with todays market.

          Oh I'm well sync'd. Java penetration in the desktop market might be small, but there's a lot more to the software market than that. My understanding is that Java has a lot bigger part of the rest of the pie than some might think. Cheers, Drew.

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            Java's lagging behide is a fact, I am just speaking on the WHY. I love the Java language too, but you have to let go, if not, YOU will lag behide with your favorite language.

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            Lost User
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            .jpg wrote:

            Java's lagging behide is a fact

            Without sources to back that up it's not anything close to a 'fact'.

            .jpg wrote:

            I love the Java language too

            I don't love Java - rarely even use it.

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            but you have to let go, if not, YOU will lag behide with your favorite language

            I use what's appropriate for the problem at hand. Sometimes that includes Java because of the vast array of scientific libraries available. Cheers, Drew.

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              Drew's question is valid. Can you cite some sources?

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              jpg 0
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              Go to any programming job web site and see the difference.

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              • J jpg 0

                I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide. 1.) The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE. 2.) java app not only take longer to start, but it consume much greater amout of memory compared to .net. 3.) The UI visual appearence is not what most user would be expected. 4.) The default install of java install funny things to the tray and control panel, which, normal user would found confusing. 5.) People look at .NET framework as an addon to Windows, but look at Java as a third party trouble.

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                ed welch
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                When you say "Java" I assume you mean J2EE, because the mobile version of Java (J2ME) is taking off big time. In fact all other platforms pale in comparison with the marketshare that J2ME has

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                  No functional programming constructs. If you can't pass around functions as variables/symbols, you can't do events and event handlers, you can't do functional operations on generic lists, you can't do LINQ...

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                  Chris Losinger
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                  i assume by "events" you mean something completely different from the events Windows has been using since v1.0.

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                    I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide. 1.) The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE. 2.) java app not only take longer to start, but it consume much greater amout of memory compared to .net. 3.) The UI visual appearence is not what most user would be expected. 4.) The default install of java install funny things to the tray and control panel, which, normal user would found confusing. 5.) People look at .NET framework as an addon to Windows, but look at Java as a third party trouble.

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                    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                    Doesn't seem to exist on non windows boxes. Also, I am running SQL Developer right now which I believe is in Java and there is no funky box. Of course with .NET being almost a part of the Windows OS there is no real way to compare the footprints of the two. Unless we got ourselves one of those nifty chips that executives Java natively. In fact my Razor is fairly fast and I think it is in Java too.

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                      Go to any programming job web site and see the difference.

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                      www.monster.com Location: USA Category: Computers, Software Search term: "JAVA" yields 3935 listings Search term: ".NET" yields 2686 listings Cheers, Drew.

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                        i assume by "events" you mean something completely different from the events Windows has been using since v1.0.

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                        Judah Gabriel Himango
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                        Yes. :)

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                          www.monster.com Location: USA Category: Computers, Software Search term: "JAVA" yields 3935 listings Search term: ".NET" yields 2686 listings Cheers, Drew.

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                          Drew Stainton wrote:

                          www.monster.com Location: USA Category: Computers, Software Search term: "JAVA" yields 3935 listings Search term: ".NET" yields 2686 listings

                          I'm pretty sure they want Java people for maintaining existing projects. Roswell:)

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                            I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide. 1.) The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE. 2.) java app not only take longer to start, but it consume much greater amout of memory compared to .net. 3.) The UI visual appearence is not what most user would be expected. 4.) The default install of java install funny things to the tray and control panel, which, normal user would found confusing. 5.) People look at .NET framework as an addon to Windows, but look at Java as a third party trouble.

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                            Roger Wright
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                            Java is alive and well, but I think that won't last. The reason, I suspect, has little to do with .NET or Windows. The language was designed from the start to automate small appliances and smart home devices; it was never intended to become a general purpose programming language. It was and remains an excellent tool for that purpose, but the marketing hype was redirected to make it a one-size-fits-all language. It just ain't so. You can't fix a system that is ill-designed for its job; it must be scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up. Java has grown considerably into a powerful tool, but it will always fall short because of the design philosophy upon which it was based. Unfortunately, it never has fulfilled its original promise because the marketers lost sight of the goal in their zeal to compete with Microsoft. A shame; I was really looking forward to having a smart toaster.

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