I saw "Fast Food Nation" yesterday
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What are you cooking now?
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Getting ready to start a batch of bread. Did a couple batches of banana bran muffins yesterday, passed about half of 'em out to friends. Also gave away a tea ring to a tiny Cuban who was complaining that a lack of fattening food was causing her breasts to shrink. Good to see the whole "skin & bones" culture hasn't taken over. :)
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MP (2) wrote:
Not everybody that agree with what is in a movie is brainwashed.
True. But, it's rare for any movie to provide an unbiased view. Anyone who agrees with what a movie tells them 100%, with no caveats, is probaby brainwashed.
MP (2) wrote:
You only say that to discredit the movie without any basic argument for saying so.
To be honest, I am sure I would agree with much of what is in the movie in question. I am making a broader comment about people accepting 100% any media source that presents a point of view they want to buy in to.
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Christian Graus wrote:
To be honest, I am sure I would agree with much of what is in the movie in question. I am making a broader comment about people accepting 100% any media source that presents a point of view they want to buy in to.
See, that's what makes me laugh. A good many of us have known about these "dark secrets" for years - either first-hand, or from the numerous reports in everything from Gov't health publications and cooking magazines... to weekly "news" rags. But of course, now it's a conspiracy or some such. That said, it looks like a wonderfully entertaining movie (as opposed to the preachy smugness of "supersize me"). I haven't rented anything in a good while, but i might just check this out.
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
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In fact, as far as I am concerned, you may have as much as you can. Anyway, you are missing the point.
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MP (2) wrote:
Anyway, you are missing the point.
What is the point?
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Did you see the movie? If not, just watch it.
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Did you see the movie? If not, just watch it.
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MP (2) wrote:
Did you see the movie? If not, just watch it.
No, I don't want to watch it.
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Probably because you are afraid.
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Probably because you are afraid.
MP (2) wrote:
Probably because you are afraid.
It is not that I am afraid, it is because I don't want to waste my money on a video. Videos are to be watched once or twice and then it collects dust. It is a total waste.
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leckey wrote:
1. Too much of ANYTHING is bad whether it be grease, sugar, alcohol, crack...you get the idea.
Especially if it contains E.Coli. An excerpt about the movie from allmovie.com:
When the higher-ups at Mickey's corporate offices learn that the frozen meat patties used to make the wildly popular burger have somehow been tainted with contaminated meat, they send marketing executive Don Henderson (Kinnear) on an urgent mission to ensure quality control and find out precisely how their product became compromised. It's a long way from the Southern California boardroom to the immigrant slaughterhouses, though, and the further Henderson works his way through the bustling feedlots and toward the ubiquitous restaurant sites that have become a staple of modern culture, the more he begins to realize just how dangerous convenience can become when it leads to blissfully ignorant complacency.
But, you know, it is just a movie...
We learned in college that McD's uses the sclera of the cow eye to help bind the patty together. That kind of turned me off from fast food period. Oh, and Arby's uses the lowest quality meat that is still acceptable to sell/consume. Another reason to eat organic chicken!
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Getting ready to start a batch of bread. Did a couple batches of banana bran muffins yesterday, passed about half of 'em out to friends. Also gave away a tea ring to a tiny Cuban who was complaining that a lack of fattening food was causing her breasts to shrink. Good to see the whole "skin & bones" culture hasn't taken over. :)
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
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I should give you a random list of what is in my fridge/pantry and see what you come up with...
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Red Stateler wrote:
So if he ate, say, a pound of sugar/day, it would be "illogical" to look at McDonalds' nutrition information to see how exactly one could eat a pound of sugar every day for a month?
The point here is that McDonalds revised their products in light of the movie. I assumed that would be enough, but it seems I have to spell it out for you: THIS MEANS THAT THE NUTRITION STATS ARE NO LONGER VALID AFTER THE FILM. And that is a good thing BTW, about the only good thing about the film... I have no doubt that the man's claims where spiced up for the film -- oh the shock of it!! -- but your argument to prove that is at best just plain absurd. Salt and sugar levels are lower after than before... coincidence?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkThat's completely wrong and based on arbitrary and "illogical" assumptions. McDonald's "revised" its menu by adding new items to it (like those lame salads that nobody actually buys) in order to offer healthier "alternatives", which didn't become available until well after I saw the movie. They didn't change the ingredients of the classic big macs and milk shakes. Plus, if the food was revised to be healthier and had a lower sugar content, he would have had to eat EVEN MORE to consume the amount of sugar he claimed he consumed (making your thinking completely ass-backwards). But you're obviously a dogmatic automaton, so whatever.
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That's completely wrong and based on arbitrary and "illogical" assumptions. McDonald's "revised" its menu by adding new items to it (like those lame salads that nobody actually buys) in order to offer healthier "alternatives", which didn't become available until well after I saw the movie. They didn't change the ingredients of the classic big macs and milk shakes. Plus, if the food was revised to be healthier and had a lower sugar content, he would have had to eat EVEN MORE to consume the amount of sugar he claimed he consumed (making your thinking completely ass-backwards). But you're obviously a dogmatic automaton, so whatever.
So when McDonalds halved the salt levels in their fries, that was by adding salad dressing? :laugh: :laugh:
Red Stateler wrote:
Plus, if the food was revised to be healthier and had a lower sugar content, he would have had to eat EVEN MORE to consume the amount of sugar he claimed he consumed (making your thinking completely ass-backwards)
Oh man, and I thought my last post was pretty obvious. Amazing. Note that the ordering here is significant: 1 - Man with no money makes film to cash in on the salt scare (this was before global warming). 2 - McDonalds get lots of bad press all over the world. Any press is good press and shareholders see an opportunity to attract more customers. 3 - McDonalds lower salt levels in 'added' products and release a big PR release. "We listen! We care!" they cry. "Look at our new salads!" 4 - Espeir sees said film and checks McDonalds web site for leftist conspiracy. "Oh my Bush, they are out to get me!" You can count, right? Four comes after three, which comes after two which comes after one. Therefore: THIS MEANS THAT THE NUTRITION STATS [DURING THE FILM] ARE NO LONGER VALID AFTER THE FILM Talk about arse-backwards. :doh: Salads were introduced before that crappy film was even made, let alone aired. They've been an option on the 'menus' here since I was in college seven years ago. You could even get a fruit salad with whole processed grapes to go with your Big Mac Meal. The only new thing about them has been to split them out and give them 'healthy' names so people don't feel bad while eating their lives away.
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So when McDonalds halved the salt levels in their fries, that was by adding salad dressing? :laugh: :laugh:
Red Stateler wrote:
Plus, if the food was revised to be healthier and had a lower sugar content, he would have had to eat EVEN MORE to consume the amount of sugar he claimed he consumed (making your thinking completely ass-backwards)
Oh man, and I thought my last post was pretty obvious. Amazing. Note that the ordering here is significant: 1 - Man with no money makes film to cash in on the salt scare (this was before global warming). 2 - McDonalds get lots of bad press all over the world. Any press is good press and shareholders see an opportunity to attract more customers. 3 - McDonalds lower salt levels in 'added' products and release a big PR release. "We listen! We care!" they cry. "Look at our new salads!" 4 - Espeir sees said film and checks McDonalds web site for leftist conspiracy. "Oh my Bush, they are out to get me!" You can count, right? Four comes after three, which comes after two which comes after one. Therefore: THIS MEANS THAT THE NUTRITION STATS [DURING THE FILM] ARE NO LONGER VALID AFTER THE FILM Talk about arse-backwards. :doh: Salads were introduced before that crappy film was even made, let alone aired. They've been an option on the 'menus' here since I was in college seven years ago. You could even get a fruit salad with whole processed grapes to go with your Big Mac Meal. The only new thing about them has been to split them out and give them 'healthy' names so people don't feel bad while eating their lives away.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkWhy are you talking about salt, moron. I said sugar!!! :rolleyes: You're a moron of absolutely epic proportions.
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Why are you talking about salt, moron. I said sugar!!! :rolleyes: You're a moron of absolutely epic proportions.
Actually he has mentioned both throughout, and both were mentioned by the movie. I thought you claimed to have watched it?
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Actually he has mentioned both throughout, and both were mentioned by the movie. I thought you claimed to have watched it?
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Jamie Millson wrote:
I thought you claimed to have watched it?
I did. He's falsely claiming that McDonalds changed their existing food items and reduced their salt content (which has nothing to do with sugar) immediately after the film was released. In fact, McDonalds menu changes (which included additional items, and not changes to existing recipes), did not go into effect until well after the film was made. Further, if the menu was made more healthy, then that would have required him to have eaten even more to consume the stated amount of sugar. Basically, the point is that, in a Michael Moore style, he tried to imply that he ate moderate amounts when, in fact, he ate ludicrous amounts of food. The fact is the film is BS and Wulff, as usual, is simply talking out of his ass as he doesn't even know which figure I'm referencing.
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MP (2) wrote:
Probably because you are afraid.
It is not that I am afraid, it is because I don't want to waste my money on a video. Videos are to be watched once or twice and then it collects dust. It is a total waste.
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Usually I rent them. Lot cheaper.
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Jamie Millson wrote:
I thought you claimed to have watched it?
I did. He's falsely claiming that McDonalds changed their existing food items and reduced their salt content (which has nothing to do with sugar) immediately after the film was released. In fact, McDonalds menu changes (which included additional items, and not changes to existing recipes), did not go into effect until well after the film was made. Further, if the menu was made more healthy, then that would have required him to have eaten even more to consume the stated amount of sugar. Basically, the point is that, in a Michael Moore style, he tried to imply that he ate moderate amounts when, in fact, he ate ludicrous amounts of food. The fact is the film is BS and Wulff, as usual, is simply talking out of his ass as he doesn't even know which figure I'm referencing.
Red Stateler wrote:
if the menu was made more healthy, then that would have required him to have eaten even more to consume the stated amount of sugar
Oh brother, thou art dense: <repeat> 1 - Man with no money makes film to cash in on the salt scare (this was before global warming). Yes, salt, not sugar. There was no global sugar scare. 2 - McDonalds get lots of bad press all over the world. Any press is good press and shareholders see an opportunity to attract more customers. 3 - McDonalds lower the levels in 'added' products and release a big PR release. "We listen! We care!" they cry. "Look at our new salads!" 4 - Espeir sees said film and checks McDonalds web site for leftist conspiracy. "Oh my Bush, they are out to get me!" You can count, right? Four comes after three, which comes after two which comes after one. Therefore: THIS MEANS THAT THE NUTRITION STATS [DURING THE FILM] ARE NO LONGER VALID AFTER THE FILM </repeat>
Red Stateler wrote:
he tried to imply that he ate moderate amounts when, in fact, he ate ludicrous amounts of food
Moderate amounts?! LOL. That proves it - you really haven't seen the film have you? He deliberately ate stupid amounts of food to see the effects of it. Do you call five old-style Extra Large Big Mac Meals a day a moderate amount? :wtf: It was intentionally done, not some big leftist consipracy to Bring Down America.
Red Stateler wrote:
Wulff, as usual, is simply talking out of his ass as he doesn't even know which figure I'm referencing.
If that is true then it seems I have a distinct advantage over you: I can tell the difference between my arsehole and my mouth. Which figure? You don't even know what you are referencing.
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