Who's the Greater? The Developer, The SysAdmin, The NetAdmin or some other I.T. Guy?

Joe Woodbury

In my experience if you care one iota for a stable network, you keep the developers as far away from server and network administration as you can. Furthermore, at any given site, a company's developers create a tiny fraction of the software that has to run on the network. Why are developers so arrogant as a group that they believe they understand the full complexity of the network they are dealing with (and understand ALL the other projects going on as well)?

Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

Vikram A Punathambekar

Who else can paste pictures in Notepad? :rolleyes:

Cheers, Vıkram.

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El Corazon

Albert Dadze wrote:

I am beginning to wonder

you really do NOT want my resume. :) Honest. :)

Albert Dadze wrote:

Get some books Man, it is important as a developer to have fundamental knowledge of every other IT concerns

I do, and I have. However, regardless of my prior experience before here, I was actually referring to another member here who is an independant contractor. I was a one-man shop for a small-company, never independant contracting unless you count about a handful of forays into that realm, but who knows what the future holds. Anyhow, he and other independants here give me hope I could make the break again. I think my direction would still be R&D though, I would miss the quest for new software technologies too much. :)

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

El Corazon

Marc Clifton wrote:

Or, nowadays, USB memory sticks.

about to be blocked here. :) CD sneakernet will remain though.... ironically. :laugh:

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

John M Drescher

Since I perform all the duties of all of the above I am not sure what to say.

John

Dan Neely

Lemmie guess. Someone's having a conniption over the fact that you can't write protect a USB stick.

-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

Chris Meech

Apologies for the analogy, but .... Letting your developers have Admin rights is akin to letting the brick layers inpsect and signoff on the electrical for a house that's going up. Not a good idea. :)

Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar]

El Corazon

dan neely wrote:

Someone's having a conniption over the fact that you can't write protect a USB stick.

nope, strictly form a bring software/data in/out. I asked about the CD issue, they honestly hadn't even thought about that, especially based the expressions. I am sure CDs and floppies will follow, we'll all have thin-station machines with no read-write capability shortly there-after. Silly me. Then they can replace my network computer with a internet appliance picture frame and I'd probably gain some processing power. ;)

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Albert Dadze

El Corazon wrote:

you really do NOT want my resume. Honest.

Alright Man, to be honest, I hope you don't consider my statement as an insult, just trying to express some points.

AlbertDadze

lost in transition

What about the truck drivers, driving down the road or the steel worker in Detroit or the coal miner in the holes.:laugh: I feel an old Alabama song coming on.;)

God Bless, Jason

DavidCrow wrote:

It would not affect me or my family one iota. My wife and I are in charge of when the tv is on, and what it displays. I do not need any external input for that.

El Corazon

Albert Dadze wrote:

just trying to express some points

As I was. I have a great deal of respect for the one-man shop, he's got to sell, develop and maintain everything. And make a living at it! (hopefully) I specialize nowadays, but I have a very strong respect for those individuals who go independant contractors and survive doing it. :)

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Ed Poore

I agree, cos I'm one of them ;P

El Corazon

Ed.Poore wrote:

I'm one of them

Your wish M'Lord? :laugh: seriously though, I may join you folks soon. Just not wanting to make the jump blind. I am officially registered and ready though. :)

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Chris Maunder

For they have the power to change reality. There is no spoon.

cheers, Chris Maunder

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charlieg

Chris - I would concur, to a point. When I ran a development group, all I had to do to make the admins go away was to utter the 4 letter magical word: "unix". Poof, no where in site. :) There are three issues at play here: 1) arrogant developers. Since I'm one, I know what I'm talking about. 2) arrogant admins. Since I've suffered with them, I know they are out there. I had one admin tell me that my group did not need to log off every night. If they needed to get onto our machines, they knew how to "hack" in. This air of confidence made me curious, so I asked him how we did it. "Oh, we just toggle the power on the system. Then we can get to the login screen." I sat and stared at him for a while. :wtf: Did not illicit any response from him, so I inquired as to if he realized he might be crashing programs that might be running. Blank look again. 3) Managers that don't want to be bothered or are unable to understand the symbiotic relationship between the two groups. I spent some time educating the IT Manager as to how development groups operated. He was blown away... stunned by his own ignorance (not negative, just an observation). He also had the opportunity to educate me on some corporate directives he had to put in place. We came to an understanding relationship :)

Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. Overheard in a cubicle: "A project is just a bug under development." Seeking to rise above the intelligence of a one eared rabbit...

charlieg

Or defy/dismiss it. :eek:

Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. Overheard in a cubicle: "A project is just a bug under development." Seeking to rise above the intelligence of a one eared rabbit...

Raj Lal

Chris Maunder wrote:

For they have the power to change reality.

Totally agree, They do :cool:

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Dan Neely

"...It will all be rendered in later by a farm of SGI boxes" I wonder if anyone else remembers where that line's from?

-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

brianwelsch

jason_lakewhitney wrote:

I feel an old Alabama song coming on

:laugh: I was thinking Bruce Springsteen.

BW

Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peart

Albert Dadze

Great El, in that respect you are right. the one-man shop is, but that kind of do-it-all-myself person will not last to his 40s if he is in 30s:laugh::laugh::laugh:

AlbertDadze