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Please Microsoft, Stop Holding .NET Back!

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    [url]http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/please-microsoft-stop-holding-net-back/\[/url\]

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    WillemM
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    Personally I think the open-source community is doing a great job with mono. Although it's always a bit behind on the most recent .NET framework implementation of microsoft. It's great nonetheless :D What I'm saying with this that .NET is not multi-platform, but Microsoft did provide developers with the means and documentation to make it multi-platform.

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      [url]http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/please-microsoft-stop-holding-net-back/\[/url\]

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      Shog9 0
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      Doesn't interest me. Now, i'd love to see the .NET platform open-sourced. Let the Linux people port it to Linux, the Mac people port it to MacOS, etc. And yeah, i'm talking proper open source where folks can freely view, build and modify it, not the weird licensing and lineage of Rotor. Do i think we'll ever see such a thing? Not a chance. But Mono is cool...

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      • V Vikram A Punathambekar

        [edit]Ok, I clicked the link and saw that Java is what the first line of the article talks about. I feel stupid now.[/edit] I know the analogy isn't very pertinent, as Windows' sales outstrip that of Solaris, but Sun continues to sell Solaris and make Java available on a variety of platforms. -- modified at 16:22 Sunday 20th May, 2007

        Cheers, Vıkram.


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        Judah Gabriel Himango
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        Yes, because if Java was available only for Solaris, nobody would use it.

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          Doesn't interest me. Now, i'd love to see the .NET platform open-sourced. Let the Linux people port it to Linux, the Mac people port it to MacOS, etc. And yeah, i'm talking proper open source where folks can freely view, build and modify it, not the weird licensing and lineage of Rotor. Do i think we'll ever see such a thing? Not a chance. But Mono is cool...

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          i hope you are feeling sleepy for people not calling you by the same.

          --BarnaKol on abusive words

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          Judah Gabriel Himango
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          Shog9 wrote:

          i'd love to see the .NET platform open-sourced.

          I'd go for that. I mean, given tools like reflector, we can already see the source. :)

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          • C Chris Maunder

            1. Clickety[^] 2. "why can’t Microsoft just swallow the pill already and provide real support for the .NET Framework on all operating systems? Yes, that includes Linux and Mac too." Because Microsoft is in the business of selling Windows, not Linux or MacOS

            cheers, Chris Maunder

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            • N Nemanja Trifunovic

              This comment[^] explains it very well, IMHO.


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              Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

              This comment[^] explains it very well, IMHO.

              Microsoft has never created any product without lock-in.

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                Doesn't interest me. Now, i'd love to see the .NET platform open-sourced. Let the Linux people port it to Linux, the Mac people port it to MacOS, etc. And yeah, i'm talking proper open source where folks can freely view, build and modify it, not the weird licensing and lineage of Rotor. Do i think we'll ever see such a thing? Not a chance. But Mono is cool...

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                i hope you are feeling sleepy for people not calling you by the same.

                --BarnaKol on abusive words

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                Doesn't interest me.

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  1. Clickety[^] 2. "why can’t Microsoft just swallow the pill already and provide real support for the .NET Framework on all operating systems? Yes, that includes Linux and Mac too." Because Microsoft is in the business of selling Windows, not Linux or MacOS

                  cheers, Chris Maunder

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                  Few but perfect words!!


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                    Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                    This comment[^] explains it very well, IMHO.

                    Microsoft has never created any product without lock-in.

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                    That's patently and fully demonstrably not true. I've moved documents from Word to WordPerfect and back again. I've move C/C++/Assembler code between compilers and IDEs. I've moved my bookmarks to FireFox (use both for various reasons.) I'm 100% sure I could move my money files to Quicken without any loss. About the only files I've never attempted to move are PowerPoint, but that's because I've only done one PowerPoint presentation and all the competing products suck badly.

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                      [url]http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/please-microsoft-stop-holding-net-back/\[/url\]

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                      Dave Kreskowiak
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                      I can't see the link because the page won't load, but, I get the feeling that whoever wrote something along the lines of "Microsoft is holding the .NET Framework back!!" is utter crap. The ".NET Framework" is Microsoft implementation of the Common Language Infrastructure which is an international standard, both ECMA and ISO approved. Even though it's an invention that Microsoft/HP/Intel created, it's open for anyone to implement on any platform they want. Microsoft isn't holding it back. The industry just hasn't picked up the ball and done anything with it, other than Mono of course. There's probably some other, smaller, implementations that I don't know about running around though. Since it's a standard that anyone can implement, who's really holding anything back?

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                      • J Joe Woodbury

                        That's patently and fully demonstrably not true. I've moved documents from Word to WordPerfect and back again. I've move C/C++/Assembler code between compilers and IDEs. I've moved my bookmarks to FireFox (use both for various reasons.) I'm 100% sure I could move my money files to Quicken without any loss. About the only files I've never attempted to move are PowerPoint, but that's because I've only done one PowerPoint presentation and all the competing products suck badly.

                        Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                        Joe Woodbury wrote:

                        That's patently and fully demonstrably not true. I've moved documents from Word to WordPerfect and back again.

                        The Word format is proprietary and not documented.

                        Joe Woodbury wrote:

                        I've move C/C++/Assembler code between compilers and IDEs.

                        The Windows API is a lock-in.

                        Joe Woodbury wrote:

                        I've moved my bookmarks to FireFox (use both for various reasons.)

                        Oh, great! One point for you. Of course IE had ActiveX and future versions will have XAML.

                        Joe Woodbury wrote:

                        I'm 100% sure I could move my money files to Quicken without any loss. About the only files I've never attempted to move are PowerPoint, but that's because I've only done one PowerPoint presentation and all the competing products suck badly.

                        Because someone reverse-engineered proprietary formats?

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