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  • N New5

    Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks

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    ne0h
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    hmm...so New1, New2, New3..they are your elder bros?

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      Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks

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      beimklabautermann
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      You can start directly with C# no Problem. There are no depending things you must know to understand the "upper" language.

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      • N New5

        Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks

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        Eytukan
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        Start with OOAD.


        The Advantage in work-from-home is that... we can blame the dog. -Mark Salsbery Best wishes to Rexx[^]

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          hmm...so New1, New2, New3..they are your elder bros?

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          I wanted to write New but it seems some people used of them so I select New5.

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            You can start directly with C# no Problem. There are no depending things you must know to understand the "upper" language.

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            New5
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            Thank you for your response I want to know if I choose C++ for learn is it a correct choise or not.

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              Start with OOAD.


              The Advantage in work-from-home is that... we can blame the dog. -Mark Salsbery Best wishes to Rexx[^]

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              New5
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              Thank you for your response What is it?

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              • N New5

                Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks

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                Jim Crafton
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                Be a man and start with C++. After that, everything will seem easy sailing. Don't let the naysayers and pink-tutu-wearing-my-pretty-pony-lunch-box-carrying-little-girls convince you otherwise.

                ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                • N New5

                  Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks

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                  leckey 0
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                  Start with Assembly.:cool:

                  _____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!

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                  • N New5

                    Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks

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                    Abu Mami
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                    Intercal - no question

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                    • J Jim Crafton

                      Be a man and start with C++. After that, everything will seem easy sailing. Don't let the naysayers and pink-tutu-wearing-my-pretty-pony-lunch-box-carrying-little-girls convince you otherwise.

                      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                      leckey 0
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                      Jim Crafton wrote:

                      my-pretty-pony-lunch-box

                      I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!

                      _____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!

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                        Start with Assembly.:cool:

                        _____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!

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                        Dinobot_Slag
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                        Might as well start with sticks and stones. ;)

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                          Might as well start with sticks and stones. ;)

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                          leckey 0
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                          No, that's raw binary!

                          _____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!

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                            Jim Crafton wrote:

                            my-pretty-pony-lunch-box

                            I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!

                            _____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!

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                            Jim Crafton
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                            Yes but do you *still* carry it to work now?

                            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                              Intercal - no question

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                              User of Users Group
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                              I'd start with 'use cases', sample programs that deal with generic libraries, data structures and both compile and runtime metadata. You will jump over the OODA trap in no time and master it better than any first-language-C#/Java programmer. Proof: they are rubbish at assembly, pointers to pointers (despite having a keyword for it) and love their class frameworks :-)

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                                Yes but do you *still* carry it to work now?

                                ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                                leckey 0
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                                No, but I have a handbag and that has the cover of Wonder Woman #300 on the front.

                                _____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!

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                                • N New5

                                  Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks

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                                  NormDroid
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                                  Here we go ago, go figure, trends...

                                  Roger Irrelevant "he's completely hatstand"

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                                    Jim Crafton wrote:

                                    my-pretty-pony-lunch-box

                                    I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!

                                    _____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!

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                                    Mark Salsbery
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                                    leckey wrote:

                                    I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!

                                    Yeah, but you're a girl.  Real men carry My Little Pony lunchboxes.

                                    Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:

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                                    • N New5

                                      Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks

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                                      Christian Graus
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                                      Well, it depends what you want to do. C# is easier to learn, and just as good for a lot of things, but C++ is more powerful, people can't read your code, etc. The main thing I'd say is, learn more than one language. Who says you can't learn both ?

                                      Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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                                        Thank you for your response I want to know if I choose C++ for learn is it a correct choise or not.

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                                        Ilya Verbitskiy
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                                        I've started from BASIC for DOS many years ago. After that I've spend a lot of time with C and C++ developing Linux applications. This is hard job, but interesting. And after this work experience I had moved to .NET and C#. It was easy very much. I think you should start from C++ and also learn OOP/OOD. After this you will not have any problems with another languages.

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                                          Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks

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                                          Andrew Drummond
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                                          Forget learning MFC - there is nothing to learn from it except bad style. I would start by learning C from Kernighan & Ritchie. The language is simple with 32 keywords and is quick to learn. As well as several other languages being similar to it, the main advantage will be your gain in understanding of the stack and heap. It has been shown that good programmers have a consistent model of what a computer is doing to their program, whereas dodgy ones don't. Working with this book will help give you that model. The book is marvelously written and should instill you with an enthusiam for programming which you might not get from other texts. The managed languages hid most of this stack and heap usage from you but is very useful to know what is happening a little under the hood, so you can understand why performance problems occur, what the garbage collector is doing, etc. Type in and run the examples from the book and then do the exercises - it won't take long. Then learn something like Java or C# rather than C++. This will help with your design, imersing your in a more OO way of doing things than you would get from starting with C++, which is very powerful but, because it supports nearly all design and programming styles it is easy for you to go off in the wrong way, such as structural programming. Then you can learn C++ if you want more power, such as with generic programming, or even using the scoping style that C++ destuctors allow you. Avoid any book by Herb Schildt. Avoid the Java in a Nutshell books on O'Reilly. I haven't looked at the Petzold C# books but I would be wary based on his programming style from his Windows books. If you are going to learn C++ then Accelerated C++ by Andrew Keonig approaches the matter in a more modern style. You could then profitably read The C++ Object model by Stanley Lippman, assumming that you have read the Kernighan and Ritchie book. www.accu.org has a good book review list as well. regards, Andrew

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