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  • G Gary R Wheeler

    I know I'm a better programmer than a lot of the people I've worked with, at least at certain things. I'm not quite bastard enough to throw it in their faces, though. Except when it comes to GUI code. These guys suck, which they freely admit.


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    Josh Smith
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    Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

    I'm not quite bastard enough to throw it in their faces, though.

    Exactly. I have no problems with people knowing that they are better at X than someone else. What makes me sick is when people sing the "Splendors of Me." Ugh. Even if it's true that the person is the best in the West, my opinion of them always drops a notch.

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    • G Gary R Wheeler

      It took them a couple of years after I met him (and a couple more projects that nearly floundered because of him) before he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere.


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      Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

      before he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere

      Perhaps he joined Microsoft to help them fix the void/int bug! :-D

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      • G Gary R Wheeler

        Todd Smith wrote:

        one of those developers who had negative productivity

        Yes, I did. The guy actually created negative progress wherever he worked. His programming was so bad (crowd: "how bad was it?"), you didn't want to read it. You certainly didn't want to talk to him about it, because he could endlessly justify the ineptly Byzantine way he did things. Here's an example:

        #define void int

        That was to fix "a bug in the compiler" :wtf:.


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        My favorite for C++ was:

        #define private public

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        • T Todd Smith

          My favorite for C++ was:

          #define private public

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          Todd Smith wrote:

          #define private public

          That's just plain Evil. :suss:

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          • T Todd Smith

            My favorite for C++ was:

            #define private public

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            Nemanja Trifunovic
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            Todd Smith wrote:

            #define private public

            I saw it in one of Herb Sutter's stories :) Have you actually seen it in real life?


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            • G Gary R Wheeler

              It took them a couple of years after I met him (and a couple more projects that nearly floundered because of him) before he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere.


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              Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

              he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere

              Does that mean he was promoted to management? :~

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                Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                before he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere

                Perhaps he joined Microsoft to help them fix the void/int bug! :-D

                :josh: My WPF Blog[^] Without a strive for perfection I would be terribly bored.

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                Gary R Wheeler
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                Nope. (snicker, snicker) He was hired by one of our competitors.


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                • T Todd Smith

                  My favorite for C++ was:

                  #define private public

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                  Gary R Wheeler
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                  Oh great. Now I get to clean vomit off my wall.


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                  • G Gary R Wheeler

                    Nope. (snicker, snicker) He was hired by one of our competitors.


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                    Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                    He was hired by one of our competitors.

                    I assume you mean "ex-competitors." :)

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                    • T Todd Smith

                      All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                      (that is, 10x difference)

                      If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

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                      "If you were marooned on a island with the natives that are cannibals, and you had to program your way off the island, who would you want to be there to help you?" No one, because we would just argue about the best way to code ourselves off the island. :doh: Love programming, hate programmers. :)

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                      • T Todd Smith

                        My favorite for C++ was:

                        #define private public

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                        When we made the switch from pascal to C++, my boss wanted me to do this:

                        #define begin {
                        #define end }

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                        • T Todd Smith

                          All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                          (that is, 10x difference)

                          If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

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                          Todd Smith wrote:

                          Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

                          That's a two way street. I've worked with idiot developers where I've had to redo everything. Conversely, I've ended up in situations where my work has been redone because it was too complicated for the inhouse developers to understand and maintain. Different symptoms, same disease--bad management, no budget for design and documentation, etc. Marc

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                          • G Gary R Wheeler

                            I know I'm a better programmer than a lot of the people I've worked with, at least at certain things. I'm not quite bastard enough to throw it in their faces, though. Except when it comes to GUI code. These guys suck, which they freely admit.


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                            Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                            I know I'm a better programmer than a lot of the people I've worked with

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                            • T Todd Smith

                              All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                              (that is, 10x difference)

                              If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

                              Todd Smith

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                              Todd Smith wrote:

                              developers who had negative productivity

                              hahahahahahaha Yes :mad:

                              Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to be lazy The people in the lounge said I should google for the answer to a programming question but I do not know what search engine to use

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                              • T Todd Smith

                                All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                                (that is, 10x difference)

                                If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

                                Todd Smith

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                                A good programmer, on a good day, is ten times more productive than an average one. It's the managers job to make sure the programmer gas as many good days as possible.


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                                • S spencenaz

                                  "If you were marooned on a island with the natives that are cannibals, and you had to program your way off the island, who would you want to be there to help you?" No one, because we would just argue about the best way to code ourselves off the island. :doh: Love programming, hate programmers. :)

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                                  I'd want the dumbest idiot I could find. The native could eat him first, giving me more time to code my escape.

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                                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                    When we made the switch from pascal to C++, my boss wanted me to do this:

                                    #define begin {
                                    #define end }

                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                    I did that to mess with my C++ teacher :P


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                                    • T Todd Smith

                                      My favorite for C++ was:

                                      #define private public

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                                      JimmyRopes
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                                      I once saw this in a program #define ever (;;) It was then used in a for statement for ever{ ... }

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                                      • T Todd Smith

                                        All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                                        (that is, 10x difference)

                                        If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

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                                        code frog 0
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                                        Maybe I'm in a bad mood (and I think that is the case) but that's a blog about absolutely nothing. You can say that about sandwich makers, barristas, wives, pilots, plumbers. Whoop! Whoop! Hey I've got one. The sky is blue! No seriously... go look!:-D

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                                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                          When we made the switch from pascal to C++, my boss wanted me to do this:

                                          #define begin {
                                          #define end }

                                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                          -----
                                          "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                          Yeah, MACROs can be evil - that reminds me an amusing link: The Secret to Better C - Worse Than Failure[^]

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