Legalizing Attacks on P2P Networks !
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According to this article on Slashdot Legalizing Attacks on P2P Networks [new window] quoting "Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) wants to legalize DoS attacks on P2P.." GOSH :omg: !!!! These politians are becoming insane ? :~ Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
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"I thought they're breaking my copyright, so I hacked their whole network" If this is legalized, will they be able to do just that? I wouldn't be surprised if they the RIAA didn't just set up thousands of PCs on fast connections to run KaZaA, and host lots of viruses and trojans named to look like songs (the average user would be too dim to realise that brittneyspears_doubleclickme.exe probably isn't a music file) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if they the RIAA didn't just set up thousands of PCs on fast connections to run KaZaA, and host lots of viruses and trojans named to look like songs Actually, they may thinking seriously in making this kind or similar action of sabottage ... :~ Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
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According to this article on Slashdot Legalizing Attacks on P2P Networks [new window] quoting "Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) wants to legalize DoS attacks on P2P.." GOSH :omg: !!!! These politians are becoming insane ? :~ Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
This representant is trying to promote an US law to allow attacks Worldwide ?!? Isn't it a casus belli ? what would be the US reaction if EU promote a law enabling to attack americans networks and servers ? And always the same old lies of RIAA: "Internet piracy undermines the growth of legitimate online music sites and hurts all consumers in the long run", which should be translated as: "Internet piracy undermines our possibilities making money with our online music sites and hurts our capacities to dictate to all consumers what they should listen to and buy" Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
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Magnus H wrote: Great idea!! Make it legal to shoot thives also! LOL :laugh: Actually you can do it in self defense ;P Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
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This representant is trying to promote an US law to allow attacks Worldwide ?!? Isn't it a casus belli ? what would be the US reaction if EU promote a law enabling to attack americans networks and servers ? And always the same old lies of RIAA: "Internet piracy undermines the growth of legitimate online music sites and hurts all consumers in the long run", which should be translated as: "Internet piracy undermines our possibilities making money with our online music sites and hurts our capacities to dictate to all consumers what they should listen to and buy" Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
Karl wrote: This representant is trying to promote an US law to allow attacks Worldwide ?!? Isn't it a casus belli ? I think so . For the guy is a perfect reason to war , so ... This remembers me the "dirty war" in Spain that was making terrorism to terrorists (ETA group) So the representant thinks that he have a clear case that war justifies war at any cost ... even employing illegal Denial of Services to bring down the p2p networks ... :wtf: Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
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Magnus H wrote: Great idea!! Make it legal to shoot thives also! LOL :laugh: Actually you can do it in self defense ;P Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
Yeah, but the thief's family will get you convicted, and win[^] -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Yeah, but the thief's family will get you convicted, and win[^] -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Karl wrote: This representant is trying to promote an US law to allow attacks Worldwide ?!? Isn't it a casus belli ? I think so . For the guy is a perfect reason to war , so ... This remembers me the "dirty war" in Spain that was making terrorism to terrorists (ETA group) So the representant thinks that he have a clear case that war justifies war at any cost ... even employing illegal Denial of Services to bring down the p2p networks ... :wtf: Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
Joao Vaz wrote: the "dirty war" in Spain I remember that. It caused the fall of the previous spanish government, didn't it ? Joao Vaz wrote: the representant thinks that he have a clear case that war justifies war at any cost It' like the article about the "rest of world cup": "When we trumpeted globalization, we were pretty clear that we meant other countries acting like us, not vice versa" Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
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Thanks for the link ! What a case , ehh ? Controversial ! Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
Yeah, very. Pretty much everyone supported the farmer, and there was huge uproar when he was convicted of murder -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Yeah, very. Pretty much everyone supported the farmer, and there was huge uproar when he was convicted of murder -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: Yeah, very. Pretty much everyone supported the farmer, and there was huge uproar when he was convicted of murder Really , a though decision to make ... but fair ? Who knows ? Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
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Joao Vaz wrote: the "dirty war" in Spain I remember that. It caused the fall of the previous spanish government, didn't it ? Joao Vaz wrote: the representant thinks that he have a clear case that war justifies war at any cost It' like the article about the "rest of world cup": "When we trumpeted globalization, we were pretty clear that we meant other countries acting like us, not vice versa" Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
Karl wrote: It caused the fall of the previous spanish government, didn't it ? Yeap, it caused . A lot of scandals arised from this situation. Karl wrote: It' like the article about the "rest of world cup": "When we trumpeted globalization, we were pretty clear that we meant other countries acting like us, not vice versa" Moi aussi. That was funny indeed :-) Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
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benjymous wrote: Yeah, very. Pretty much everyone supported the farmer, and there was huge uproar when he was convicted of murder Really , a though decision to make ... but fair ? Who knows ? Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
It wasn't the fact he was convicted, but that it was murder rather than manslaughter (due to him acting in self defence) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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It wasn't the fact he was convicted, but that it was murder rather than manslaughter (due to him acting in self defence) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: It wasn't the fact he was convicted, but that it was murder rather than manslaughter (due to him acting in self defence) Yeah . Strange the conviction for murder :wtf: Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
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According to this article on Slashdot Legalizing Attacks on P2P Networks [new window] quoting "Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) wants to legalize DoS attacks on P2P.." GOSH :omg: !!!! These politians are becoming insane ? :~ Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
Hey, if a thief breaks into my house at 2 AM and tries to steal my guitar, he's likely to find himself dodging some rather well placed 9mm rounds. If someone tries to steal the songs I wrote with that guitar, why can't I shoot back in the digital domain to protect my property? Don't want to get shot at? Don't steal. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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This representant is trying to promote an US law to allow attacks Worldwide ?!? Isn't it a casus belli ? what would be the US reaction if EU promote a law enabling to attack americans networks and servers ? And always the same old lies of RIAA: "Internet piracy undermines the growth of legitimate online music sites and hurts all consumers in the long run", which should be translated as: "Internet piracy undermines our possibilities making money with our online music sites and hurts our capacities to dictate to all consumers what they should listen to and buy" Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
Karl wrote: And always the same old lies of RIAA: "Internet piracy undermines the growth of legitimate online music sites and hurts all consumers in the long run", which should be translated as: "Internet piracy undermines our possibilities making money with our online music sites and hurts our capacities to dictate to all consumers what they should listen to and buy" Why is it that everyone always talks about RIAA and the leeching record labels when justifying piracy, but they never talk about how it hurts the people who wrote the songs you enjoy - the musicians? We get screwed badly enough by the record companies as it is. Piracy takes away what few bread crumbs they throw us. Find a way to penalize the corporate rip off artists who steal musicians blind (labels, organized as RIAA or not) without taking money out of the bands' pockets and I might even support it. Until then, when you steal from a record label, you steal from a musician. We didn't do anything to deserve that, even if the label did. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Hey, if a thief breaks into my house at 2 AM and tries to steal my guitar, he's likely to find himself dodging some rather well placed 9mm rounds. If someone tries to steal the songs I wrote with that guitar, why can't I shoot back in the digital domain to protect my property? Don't want to get shot at? Don't steal. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: If someone tries to steal the songs I wrote with that guitar, why can't I shoot back in the digital domain to protect my property? Don't want to get shot at? Don't steal. But legalizing DoS attacks , isn't the proper way to defend the artist's rights ... or you think that using hacking (proper use of this is script kidding) it's the best way to guard the record label's and the atist's rights ? I use p2p networks , normally the gnutella network with the gnucleus client , and I'm not stealing anything . Almost all of the mp3 that I own is from albums that I do legally own , and the rest is from musics that I pretended to evaluate , normally about 3/4 musics per album , and If I like it , I normally buy the album in 1-3 months time span maximum . The main use that I give to p2p network is to listen mp3 that I don't care to rip from the cd's that I own and to discover new artists and new kind of musics that I don't had the oppotunity to discover if it wasn't the p2p networks . In my computer I use 99.9% of registered software , aka , I make great finantial efforts to own all the software that I use. The only thing that isn't legal it's office 2000 personal edition and I'll legalize it , or one of the updates, soon as I get the bonus that will support your book(your book probably I'll have it in about 1-2 weeks from amazon :-) ) The same with books, there are a lot of pirated books out there in the net , and I must say that I bought any single one that deserved to be bought and rest simply deleted from my PC, also regarding this, Amazon has a great return policy. I respect the artists rights and the p2p networks is the best way to discover new ones and waste some money on original and different music... and this taking in account that I do not listen to radio, so what's left is this kind of networks. For instance for my last buys I used gnucleus to bought 2 jazz albums , 2 blues album and 1 album with muslim music. Just my $0,02 Christopher :-) Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
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Christopher Duncan wrote: If someone tries to steal the songs I wrote with that guitar, why can't I shoot back in the digital domain to protect my property? Don't want to get shot at? Don't steal. But legalizing DoS attacks , isn't the proper way to defend the artist's rights ... or you think that using hacking (proper use of this is script kidding) it's the best way to guard the record label's and the atist's rights ? I use p2p networks , normally the gnutella network with the gnucleus client , and I'm not stealing anything . Almost all of the mp3 that I own is from albums that I do legally own , and the rest is from musics that I pretended to evaluate , normally about 3/4 musics per album , and If I like it , I normally buy the album in 1-3 months time span maximum . The main use that I give to p2p network is to listen mp3 that I don't care to rip from the cd's that I own and to discover new artists and new kind of musics that I don't had the oppotunity to discover if it wasn't the p2p networks . In my computer I use 99.9% of registered software , aka , I make great finantial efforts to own all the software that I use. The only thing that isn't legal it's office 2000 personal edition and I'll legalize it , or one of the updates, soon as I get the bonus that will support your book(your book probably I'll have it in about 1-2 weeks from amazon :-) ) The same with books, there are a lot of pirated books out there in the net , and I must say that I bought any single one that deserved to be bought and rest simply deleted from my PC, also regarding this, Amazon has a great return policy. I respect the artists rights and the p2p networks is the best way to discover new ones and waste some money on original and different music... and this taking in account that I do not listen to radio, so what's left is this kind of networks. For instance for my last buys I used gnucleus to bought 2 jazz albums , 2 blues album and 1 album with muslim music. Just my $0,02 Christopher :-) Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
Well said, Joao. I've heard this philosophy repeatedly from the folks here, and I think it's a good use of p2p since 99.9% of all music will never get airplay. However, I'm of the opinion that our programming peers here are not at all representative of the mp3 downloading general public. As programmers, we're all much more sensitive to the issues of intellectual property than the average person flipping burgers and downloading the latest Metallica album. After all, we create intellectual property, so we're going to be much more inclined to respect others' rights. However, I personally believe that the overwhelming majority of the demand for free mp3 downloads is from people who want something for nothing, and it's that practice I object to. And for the record, I don't think that legalizing destructive hacking is a reasonable solution to the problem - I was just making a point, as it does highlight the fact that those who suffer the piracy of their intellectual property (including programmers) typically have little recourse in the way of self defense. Maybe a global satellite system with highly focussed & intense magnetic fields, targeted at specific servers... :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Well said, Joao. I've heard this philosophy repeatedly from the folks here, and I think it's a good use of p2p since 99.9% of all music will never get airplay. However, I'm of the opinion that our programming peers here are not at all representative of the mp3 downloading general public. As programmers, we're all much more sensitive to the issues of intellectual property than the average person flipping burgers and downloading the latest Metallica album. After all, we create intellectual property, so we're going to be much more inclined to respect others' rights. However, I personally believe that the overwhelming majority of the demand for free mp3 downloads is from people who want something for nothing, and it's that practice I object to. And for the record, I don't think that legalizing destructive hacking is a reasonable solution to the problem - I was just making a point, as it does highlight the fact that those who suffer the piracy of their intellectual property (including programmers) typically have little recourse in the way of self defense. Maybe a global satellite system with highly focussed & intense magnetic fields, targeted at specific servers... :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: I'm of the opinion that our programming peers here are not at all representative of the mp3 downloading general public. Quite right Christopher . Christopher Duncan wrote: As programmers, we're all much more sensitive to the issues of intellectual property than the average person flipping burgers and downloading the latest Metallica album. When I was young I liked the warez sites, now this is history , programming is hard work and we deserved to be paid as a result of our work , and this of course applies to all other areas in Society in general. If we work hard , we surely deserve every penny for our effort. Christopher Duncan wrote: However, I personally believe that the overwhelming majority of the demand for free mp3 downloads is from people who want something for nothing, and it's that practice I object to. Unfortunately this is standard practice. For instance I can think on p2p networks having a monthly/anuual/etc subscription fee, where we have unlimited/limited downloading, media files with protection copyrights embebeded with a key that is a part of our subscription membership , 1 minute free previews of all the musics , etc . Of course the difficulty is the right price, but it must have a honest price, it should guarantee more just prices for the consumer and let the recording labels and artists having profit too :-) Christopher Duncan wrote: And for the record, I don't think that legalizing destructive hacking is a reasonable solution to the problem - I was just making a point, as it does highlight the fact that those who suffer the piracy of their intellectual property (including programmers) typically have little recourse in the way of self defense. Point taken :-) Christopher Duncan wrote: Maybe a global satellite system with highly focussed & intense magnetic fields, targeted at specific servers... LOL :laugh: Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
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According to this article on Slashdot Legalizing Attacks on P2P Networks [new window] quoting "Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) wants to legalize DoS attacks on P2P.." GOSH :omg: !!!! These politians are becoming insane ? :~ Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
Sounds like they are on dangerous ground. If I were a "copyright holder" and I had probable cause to believe that my material was on IBM's or Intel's P2P network, then I could hack them. Being a musician and not a hacker, I could hire a hacker to have it done. Imagine hacking as a viable business. This doesn't sound too far fetched to me. Lots of companies are setting up internal P2P networks. Once you start using VPN tunnels and wireless access points you have blurred the lines between internal and external. If I were in charge of any big company, I'd unleash the lawyers and try to squash this fast. Brad Manske
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Christopher Duncan wrote: I'm of the opinion that our programming peers here are not at all representative of the mp3 downloading general public. Quite right Christopher . Christopher Duncan wrote: As programmers, we're all much more sensitive to the issues of intellectual property than the average person flipping burgers and downloading the latest Metallica album. When I was young I liked the warez sites, now this is history , programming is hard work and we deserved to be paid as a result of our work , and this of course applies to all other areas in Society in general. If we work hard , we surely deserve every penny for our effort. Christopher Duncan wrote: However, I personally believe that the overwhelming majority of the demand for free mp3 downloads is from people who want something for nothing, and it's that practice I object to. Unfortunately this is standard practice. For instance I can think on p2p networks having a monthly/anuual/etc subscription fee, where we have unlimited/limited downloading, media files with protection copyrights embebeded with a key that is a part of our subscription membership , 1 minute free previews of all the musics , etc . Of course the difficulty is the right price, but it must have a honest price, it should guarantee more just prices for the consumer and let the recording labels and artists having profit too :-) Christopher Duncan wrote: And for the record, I don't think that legalizing destructive hacking is a reasonable solution to the problem - I was just making a point, as it does highlight the fact that those who suffer the piracy of their intellectual property (including programmers) typically have little recourse in the way of self defense. Point taken :-) Christopher Duncan wrote: Maybe a global satellite system with highly focussed & intense magnetic fields, targeted at specific servers... LOL :laugh: Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
Joao Vaz wrote: For instance I can think on p2p networks having a monthly/anuual/etc subscription fee, where we have unlimited/limited downloading, media files with protection copyrights embebeded with a key that is a part of our subscription membership , 1 minute free previews of all the musics , etc . Actually, the major labels have made some attempts in this direction, but I don't think paid download services will ever succeed. What the record labels overlook in their efforts is an extremely crucial concept. Download sites aren't popular because people want their music in mp3 format. They're popular because they're free. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)