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  • L leckey 0

    That's why I am frustrated. I moved it completely away so people who don't like it didn't have to read it. But some are going there anyhow, and then are offended by this crazy notion of Free Speech. I've said if someone redeems themselves, or I need to review an individual, I'm big enough to remove a person from the list. But for someone to directly bring it back here (I'm not worried about the other thread because that was pretty neutral to start) just puts me in a position that I didn't want to be in the first place. You can't tell me to take it elsewhere, bring it up and then get mad at me for what I did on another site. Nish should have emailed me privately or posted something on my blog--not here.

    CP Offenders: Over 50 offenders and growing! Current rant: "Me thinks CP needs an application process!" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]

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    Leslie Sanford
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    leckey wrote:

    But for someone to directly bring it back here (I'm not worried about the other thread because that was pretty neutral to start) just puts me in a position that I didn't want to be in the first place.

    I think you'll always have this problem. In your signature, you describe your blog content:

    leckey wrote:

    CP Offenders: Over 50 offenders and growing! Current rant: "Me thinks CP needs an application process!"

    You reference CP directly. So in other words, if it's fair game for you to mention CP related stuff in your blog, others will consider it fair game to mention your blog content here. I don't see any way of avoiding that, especially since the list seems to be provocative to some/many here.

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      leckey wrote:

      But some are going there anyhow, and then are offended by this crazy notion of Free Speech.

      Eh... The problem is, you exercise your free speech on your blog, but it's prompting your targets to exercise their free speech here. They don't need any encouragement. I'm sorry, but i really don't see how this helps anything - at best, you're taking people who have no shame or common sense, and giving them the exposure they so desperately crave; at worst, you're taking the metaphorical cans of worms from the other forums and scattering their contents behind you as you travel through here. Don't misunderstand - i understand the motivation. I joined this site over six years ago with the goal of answering questions as a way of giving back to the community that had helped me get on my feet as a new developer; now, i rarely answer questions at all because of the utter laziness and disrespect rampant on the programming forums. It's a real shame, and it's hard to think about it without wanting to fight back. But there is no arguing with one who lacks understanding, or chiding one who lacks shame. You only dishonor yourself in trying. Ignore the fools, vote them down, or band together like-minded users in some sort of ultra-secret vigilante group to "Report Message"-slam them off of the boards. But please, refrain from giving them further public exposure or any grounds to claim discrimination. Leave them to rot in the cesspool of their own creation and count yourself fortunate to be rid of them.

      Citizen 20.1.01

      'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'

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      Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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      I agree with you on this whole heartedly Shog, but in Leckey's defense she wasn't the one that moved the battleground from there to here. I'm not blaming the thread starter for doing so, he just pointed it out.

      Shog9 wrote:

      I'm sorry, but i really don't see how this helps anything

      It does feel frustrating. Last year, I attempted to be active in the forums but I gave up after a few months because, as you said, its incredible the lameness of some of these questions. So I moved on. For leckey, this is just venting off some steam on her home ground no less.

      Shog9 wrote:

      But there is no arguing with one who lacks understanding, or chiding one who lacks shame. You only dishonor yourself in trying.

      Totally, but dishonoring yourself is a tad harsh don't you think? I agree with you on the principle, but I can see the attraction.

      "Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon

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      • H Hans Dietrich

        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

        I find this whole CP-offender list to be extremely juvenile,

        So what? It's on leckey's blog, not here, and all you've managed to do is start another flame war in the Lounge. If you are really concerned about this (and personally I think you're right about leckey mis-reading the guy's post), then you should contact leckey directly. Marc Clifton also has his blog in his sig. Do you also vet his blog entries? Come on, guys, let's move on.

        Best wishes, Hans


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        Hans Dietrich wrote:

        Come on, guys, let's move on.

        That's asking a lot of some people here unfortunately :(

        "Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon

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          I agree with you on this whole heartedly Shog, but in Leckey's defense she wasn't the one that moved the battleground from there to here. I'm not blaming the thread starter for doing so, he just pointed it out.

          Shog9 wrote:

          I'm sorry, but i really don't see how this helps anything

          It does feel frustrating. Last year, I attempted to be active in the forums but I gave up after a few months because, as you said, its incredible the lameness of some of these questions. So I moved on. For leckey, this is just venting off some steam on her home ground no less.

          Shog9 wrote:

          But there is no arguing with one who lacks understanding, or chiding one who lacks shame. You only dishonor yourself in trying.

          Totally, but dishonoring yourself is a tad harsh don't you think? I agree with you on the principle, but I can see the attraction.

          "Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon

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          Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

          Totally, but dishonoring yourself is a tad harsh don't you think?

          No.

          Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

          I agree with you on the principle, but I can see the attraction.

          So can i. I've fallen victim to the same temptation plenty of times, and don't doubt that it'll happen again - but that doesn't make it right.

          Citizen 20.1.01

          'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'

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          • RaviBeeR RaviBee

            How about a ham & cheese smiley?  Mmmm... lightly toasted ham and cheese with crisp lettuce, juicy tomato and a bag o' Cape Cod chips. :cool: /ravi

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            leckey 0
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            I don't eat ham. :sigh:

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            • O Oakman

              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

              If I had your email address, I would have

              I though the "email" link at the bottom of every post provided a mechanism for reach the poster privately - am I wrong?

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              No you're not and Nish should have realized that.

              CP Offenders: Over 50 offenders and growing! Current rant: "Me thinks CP needs an application process!" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]

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              • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                Hans Dietrich wrote:

                Come on, guys, let's move on.

                That's asking a lot of some people here unfortunately :(

                "Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon

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                Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                That's asking a lot of some people here unfortunately

                Let's go back to talking about mice

                Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                  Or a hug smilie?

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                  or a bludgeon with a clue bat smilie.

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                  • O Oakman

                    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                    That's asking a lot of some people here unfortunately

                    Let's go back to talking about mice

                    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                    I wish one of those threads would just grow to insane proportions. That would be fun

                    "Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon

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                    • RaviBeeR RaviBee

                      Trollslayer wrote:

                      Or a hug smilie?

                      Or a ham sandwich smiley.  Mmm ham... :cool: /ravi

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                      You got my 5. My wife brought home a fine bag of honey ham a few minutes ago. It's lunch time! Cheers, Drew.

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                      • O Oakman

                        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                        That's asking a lot of some people here unfortunately

                        Let's go back to talking about mice

                        Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                        Feel free to talk about my hamster - it's soft and furry.

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                          First, I've got to admit that I find this whole CP-offender list to be extremely juvenile, ridiculous and distasteful. And I find it difficult to contemplate the level of disturbing reasoning that must have driven leckey into creating and maintaining such a list. But this post is more about the presence of d@nish[^] on the list which I think is totally bizarre. He's only got a 100 odd posts and most of them are helpful posts in the programming forums. He's listed in leckey's list as : d@nish: Asked the dumb question of 'can I be first to post in the Lounge?' I found a thread that he started yesterday titled "First Post at Lounge" where he asked the following question : "Just out of curiosity, I would like to get to the very first post at the Lounge. Is it possible?" I am not sure why leckey thinks the question is dumb nor do I understand why she thinks he was asking if he could be the first to post in the Lounge. If I were d@nish, I would treat this as gratuitous character assassination. I think leckey should either remove d@nish from that list or at least add herself to the list (if she really wants to keep it fair).

                          Regards, Nish


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                          Reynolds Glisner
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                          I wouldn't take her list too seriously as its probably just her time of the month again.... :laugh:

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                            Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                            Feel free to talk about my hamster - it's soft and furry.

                            TMI X|

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                              No you're not and Nish should have realized that.

                              CP Offenders: Over 50 offenders and growing! Current rant: "Me thinks CP needs an application process!" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                              Seems to me that Nish chose to start a flame war rather than solve the problem, then. Too bad.

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                                I wouldn't take her list too seriously as its probably just her time of the month again.... :laugh:

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                                Chris Meech
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                                Trying to make the list I see.

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                                  Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                  Feel free to talk about my hamster - it's soft and furry.

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                                  Oakman wrote:

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                                  LOL! WAAAAAYY too funny! :laugh:

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                                    First, I've got to admit that I find this whole CP-offender list to be extremely juvenile, ridiculous and distasteful. And I find it difficult to contemplate the level of disturbing reasoning that must have driven leckey into creating and maintaining such a list. But this post is more about the presence of d@nish[^] on the list which I think is totally bizarre. He's only got a 100 odd posts and most of them are helpful posts in the programming forums. He's listed in leckey's list as : d@nish: Asked the dumb question of 'can I be first to post in the Lounge?' I found a thread that he started yesterday titled "First Post at Lounge" where he asked the following question : "Just out of curiosity, I would like to get to the very first post at the Lounge. Is it possible?" I am not sure why leckey thinks the question is dumb nor do I understand why she thinks he was asking if he could be the first to post in the Lounge. If I were d@nish, I would treat this as gratuitous character assassination. I think leckey should either remove d@nish from that list or at least add herself to the list (if she really wants to keep it fair).

                                    Regards, Nish


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                                    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                    First, I've got to admit that I find this whole CP-offender list to be extremely juvenile, ridiculous and distasteful

                                    and I would add stupid. It is stupid firstly because one of the key reasons for the success of CP is that the site rewards the behaviour that benefits the site, and ignores / discourages unhelpful behaviour. The self regulating forums are brilliant. By providing ANY recognition of bad behaviour (apart from simply ignoring it or marking particularly bad postings as abuse) will provide incentive to seek this recognition. It is stupid secondly because it achieves nothing. If someone really wants to behave in this way they are not going to be at all worried about a posting on some insignificant blog. It is stupid thirdly because if these folk really do upset Leckey, the worst she can do is to let them know about it. It is no different to training puppies (or in her case cats), rewarding bad behaviour with attention simply encourages more bad behaviour. Finally, it is stupid because she is making judgements of people on the most minimal of information and she may not be right. CP is all about tolerance and providing good advice. I know this may not sound very tolerant, but I hope it is good advice. [edit] and for the intolerant and a more variable quality of advice there is the Soapbox! [/edit]

                                    Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."

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                                      Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                      First, I've got to admit that I find this whole CP-offender list to be extremely juvenile, ridiculous and distasteful

                                      and I would add stupid. It is stupid firstly because one of the key reasons for the success of CP is that the site rewards the behaviour that benefits the site, and ignores / discourages unhelpful behaviour. The self regulating forums are brilliant. By providing ANY recognition of bad behaviour (apart from simply ignoring it or marking particularly bad postings as abuse) will provide incentive to seek this recognition. It is stupid secondly because it achieves nothing. If someone really wants to behave in this way they are not going to be at all worried about a posting on some insignificant blog. It is stupid thirdly because if these folk really do upset Leckey, the worst she can do is to let them know about it. It is no different to training puppies (or in her case cats), rewarding bad behaviour with attention simply encourages more bad behaviour. Finally, it is stupid because she is making judgements of people on the most minimal of information and she may not be right. CP is all about tolerance and providing good advice. I know this may not sound very tolerant, but I hope it is good advice. [edit] and for the intolerant and a more variable quality of advice there is the Soapbox! [/edit]

                                      Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."

                                      modified on Thursday, May 8, 2008 9:11 PM

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                                      cp9876 wrote:

                                      and for the intolerant and a more variable quality of advice there is the Soapbox!

                                      which is where this, and Nish's entire rant, should have been posted.

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                                        Trying to make the list I see.

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                                        Trying to make it to the top by my accounts.

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                                          cp9876 wrote:

                                          and for the intolerant and a more variable quality of advice there is the Soapbox!

                                          which is where this, and Nish's entire rant, should have been posted.

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                                          yup, not wrong there.

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