Something good to see
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
suspect there is some anti-muslim bigotry within the Republican party
McCain seems to think there is quite a lot. His campaign seems to be based on painting Obama as a dangerous un-American "other".
Gary Kirkham wrote:
Is that what you are attempting to do?
No.
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I see that you are not disputing that the Democrat's are playing the race card.
Are they? Who is Obama calling racist?
oilFactotum wrote:
McCain seems to think there is quite a lot. His campaign seems to be based on painting Obama as a dangerous un-American "other".
:laugh: What does McCain have to do with the Republican party?
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I just turned 63, and for as long as I can remember, people (the electorate) have been believing the crap that spews from the mouths of politicians. How people can't see that the pols are buying their votes with their (the people) money (taxes) to me is incredible. And 90% of the time, the pols don't make good on their promises, and never get called on it. We let these leaches take the money from the Social Security Trust Fund to put it in the General Fund and spend it buying more votes. And then we are astounded that Social Security is going broke and no one has the guts to even try and fix it. And Ted Kennedy, of all people, tries to be the "champion" of Social Security, even though he's never so much as paid a dime into SS!! Like every government worker, they are too good to have SS as a retirement vehicle! In short people have a memory span of about 30 seconds, and vote one of two ways --- popularity or with their wallets, based on what direction the economy has taken. I fear our nation cannot last much longer with trillions of debt piling up. Some day those IOUs are going to be coming due ...
John P.
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BoneSoft wrote:
then they turn off their satellite dish big screen plasma TV, hop in one of their SUVs and leave their house to go out to eat.
You need to get out more, my friend. There are a whole bunch of people out there, some of them lilly-white, who are hurting. I am not saying that Obama has the answer to anyone's problems (or that McCain does) but I am quite sure that there are a lot of working poor that don't drive SUVs and don't have plasma TVs.
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maybe you should take a trip to the local food bank where the "poor" can get free foodstuff. Check out the parking lot and see what they're driving. And go inside and see what they're wearing, and tell me that all of them are "hurting". I have done so and not everyone I see is "hurting".
John P.
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Are you suggesting it's not an issue within the country? Or the world? I see that you are not disputing that anti-muslim bigotry is a problem within the Democratic party. Or with the Independent party for that matter. Let's not make believe that Republicans have a monopoly on bigotry. :rolleyes: Good Lord, if being blonde was somehow a bad thing you'd probably be pointing out statistics of Republican blondes. Keeping with the partisan schtick I see. You're really Bill Mahr, aren't you. You can tell me, I want tell anybody.
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When you have something to say to me, rather than some strawman, I will be happy to respond.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
suspect there is some anti-muslim bigotry within the Republican party
McCain seems to think there is quite a lot. His campaign seems to be based on painting Obama as a dangerous un-American "other".
Gary Kirkham wrote:
Is that what you are attempting to do?
No.
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I see that you are not disputing that the Democrat's are playing the race card.
Are they? Who is Obama calling racist?
oilFactotum wrote:
Are they?
Yes It's the notion that it isn't possible for Obama to lose on the issues. If he does lose, then the only possible explanation is racism.
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Are you suggesting it's not an issue within the country? Or the world? I see that you are not disputing that anti-muslim bigotry is a problem within the Democratic party. Or with the Independent party for that matter. Let's not make believe that Republicans have a monopoly on bigotry. :rolleyes: Good Lord, if being blonde was somehow a bad thing you'd probably be pointing out statistics of Republican blondes. Keeping with the partisan schtick I see. You're really Bill Mahr, aren't you. You can tell me, I want tell anybody.
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BoneSoft wrote:
You can tell me, I want tell anybody.
Freudian slip?
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Just plain old garden variety sarcasm.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Are they?
Yes It's the notion that it isn't possible for Obama to lose on the issues. If he does lose, then the only possible explanation is racism.
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This is what you are whining about? Not that Obama is playing the race card, but that some pundit is? Now slate is the Democratic party? Sorry I'm not buying into Stan's(and now your) fantasy of a 'leftist' media as an organ of the Democratic party.
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When you have something to say to me, rather than some strawman, I will be happy to respond.
Then go ahead, I'm waiting with bated breathe. You posed the stupid question, as if it means something to admit that there is bigotry in the Republican party, as if there isn't in any other organization. Strawman indeed, I may have to start calling you that.
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This is what you are whining about? Not that Obama is playing the race card, but that some pundit is? Now slate is the Democratic party? Sorry I'm not buying into Stan's(and now your) fantasy of a 'leftist' media as an organ of the Democratic party.
oilFactotum wrote:
Not that Obama is playing the race card, but that some pundit is?
Sounds like blaiming McCain for what somebody in a crowd yells, huh.
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Then go ahead, I'm waiting with bated breathe. You posed the stupid question, as if it means something to admit that there is bigotry in the Republican party, as if there isn't in any other organization. Strawman indeed, I may have to start calling you that.
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I'm still waiting, because, quite frankly, I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.
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maybe you should take a trip to the local food bank where the "poor" can get free foodstuff. Check out the parking lot and see what they're driving. And go inside and see what they're wearing, and tell me that all of them are "hurting". I have done so and not everyone I see is "hurting".
John P.
jparken wrote:
I have done so and not everyone I see is "hurting".
From your phrasing, can I assume that some must be? My kids and I used to spend Thanksgiving mornings delivering Turkey dinners to shut-ins. They were hurting
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I'm still waiting, because, quite frankly, I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.
oilFactotum wrote:
I see that you are not disputing that anti-muslim bigotry is a problem within the Repbublican party
Exactly what response did you expect that to elicit? And what do you imagine that response would prove?
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Even within your own party
Apparently not. Obama got the nomination. I see that you are not disputing that anti-muslim bigotry is a problem within the Repbublican party.
Yes, but they did not nominate hillary, so clearly, they are sexist...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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All I know is that it is a damn good thing for you that Barack is black. No white guy that far to the left would have ever made it this far. Otherwise, oily, you would have been president a long time ago.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Even within your own party
Apparently not. Obama got the nomination. I see that you are not disputing that anti-muslim bigotry is a problem within the Repbublican party.
oilFactotum wrote:
Apparently not. Obama got the nomination.
Logcally that does not follow. Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards black people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary", that would be a different matter. But that would have taken some of the spin off, and spin was your whole purpose wasn't it? For somebody who claims to dislike Fox News, you sure do stick to the Hannity & Colmes playbook.
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This is what you are whining about? Not that Obama is playing the race card, but that some pundit is? Now slate is the Democratic party? Sorry I'm not buying into Stan's(and now your) fantasy of a 'leftist' media as an organ of the Democratic party.
oilFactotum wrote:
'leftist' media as an organ of the Democratic party
Not so much an organ, as a tool. By all means, keep wearing your blinders.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Apparently not. Obama got the nomination.
Logcally that does not follow. Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards black people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary", that would be a different matter. But that would have taken some of the spin off, and spin was your whole purpose wasn't it? For somebody who claims to dislike Fox News, you sure do stick to the Hannity & Colmes playbook.
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BoneSoft wrote:
you sure do stick to the Hannity & Colmes playbook
ROFL. He does doedsn't he.? I'll never read another one of Oily's posts without thinking of dweebish Alan reading it in his effete voice.
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BoneSoft wrote:
you sure do stick to the Hannity & Colmes playbook
ROFL. He does doedsn't he.? I'll never read another one of Oily's posts without thinking of dweebish Alan reading it in his effete voice.
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Hannity and Colmes both do the same thing, try to get people to concede on some silly statement that they think will validate their whole premise. Oily to a T.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Apparently not. Obama got the nomination.
Logcally that does not follow. Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards black people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary", that would be a different matter. But that would have taken some of the spin off, and spin was your whole purpose wasn't it? For somebody who claims to dislike Fox News, you sure do stick to the Hannity & Colmes playbook.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Logcally that does not follow.
Well, yes it does. You appear to be incapable of following this conversation into which you have chosen to insert yourself. Go back to the top[^]
BoneSoft wrote:
Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards black people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary",
And why would I have said that? We were talking about anti-muslim bigotry, not racism against blacks. Besides that, it's obvious that the crypto-muslim falsehood did not take root in the Democratic party, this is a narrative of the right - and McCain plays into it.