GW? Go on then use incorrect evidence and bad science.

hairy_hats

Dalek Dave wrote:

We are nearer the sun in winter, and further away in summer, but the (admittedly Very) slight alteration each year means that the axis alters over time. If we had summer when we were nearer the sun, That would be a major disater!

Like they have summer in Australia when we are closer to the Sun, that is a major disaster?

soap brain

Tell me, do you - or anyone else - believe that it's possible to separate fact from fabrication any more?

Dalek Dave

Not really thought about that have you? Look at central Aus, imagine that across Europe and Asia. Imagine Africa drier than it is now. USA can barely cope with water supply as it is without major (Multi-Billion) infrastructure investment. And Australia is a small continent, Eurasian plate is massive, it would be a dustbowl in summer, and Smegging Cold throught winter. The currents would alter, both air and sea, it could cause massive fish depopulation, thus also bird depopulation, mass starvaion, breakdown of society etc. And this could happen tomorrow too if a huge volcanoe goes off, so much for mankind, nature can really f*ck us over.

------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

Dalek Dave

Yes, journalism does, it seperates the wheat from the chaff, then publishes the chaff! Only in mathematics is there truth.

------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

hairy_hats

Precession takes 26,000 years to do a complete circuit, if it caused such a massive environmental disaster that regularly then I doubt we'd have the rich ecosystem we do today.

Dalek Dave

Ok, but also the 11 year solar cycle,the hale cycle (22yrs), the 90 years (Glassberg I think) and the 200 year and 2000 year cycles, ( Can't remember names). These all combine differently. There is that fact that the earth's orbit is always varying, as well as precession, and that the earh itself is dynamic, producing differing amouts of volcanic gases and particulates year on year. It is IMPOSSIBLE to predict this stuff.

------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

soap brain

Either your post was expressly engineered to resist a decent response, or this headache is really getting to me. :( .

hairy_hats

The change in the Sun's output has been shown *not* to be part of the current climate change (e.g. some planets warm while others cool at the same time). If it is "IMPOSSIBLE to predict this stuff", then the current changes may indeed be down to human activity...or they may not. The nay-sayers cannot prove that it isn't and their religious fervour against AGW is illogical. Surely only a "wait and see what better data tells us" approach is the only way to proceed.

R Giskard Reventlov

Steve_Harris wrote:

The nay-sayers cannot prove that it isn't and their religious fervour against AGW is illogical

Works both ways.

Steve_Harris wrote:

Surely only a "wait and see what better data tells us" approach is the only way to proceed.

I would agree if it didn't appear that those in favour appear to want to force everyone to believe regardless of any evidence and then spend my hard earnt cash on their foibles. What is getting missed here is that what can we realistically hope to do to halt climate change if it is part of the natural cycle and we simply don't have the technology or resources to change it if, indeed, we should even try? Surely the money would be better spent finding alternate locations for the human race and developing the technologies that will get us there so that we are not tied to one planet. Just my little dream.

me, me, me

Dalek Dave

Steve_Harris wrote:

The change in the Sun's output has been shown *not* to be part of the current climate change

Link please?

Steve_Harris wrote:

(e.g. some planets warm while others cool at the same time).

Logical, local planetary conditions all different.

Steve_Harris wrote:

If it is "IMPOSSIBLE to predict this stuff", then the current changes may indeed be down to human activity...or they may not

Most climate change in the last, say 4.3 billion years, has not been down to humans. Why should we think it is us now?

Steve_Harris wrote:

The nay-sayers cannot prove that it isn't and their religious fervour against AGW is illogical.

Their religious fervour against bad and misleading science, against being lied to and against scare tactics with no evidence to back it up however is justified. Why is it illogical to accept something without proof? Surely logic dictates that something is proved.

Steve_Harris wrote:

Surely only a "wait and see what better data tells us" approach is the only way to proceed.

Agreed, so why tax us now and make us do things that ARE DAMAGING the planet and ourselves.

------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

Oakman

Dalek Dave wrote:

Only in mathematics is there truth.

Don't be silly. When she looks up into your eyes and says, "I will love you forever, if you buy me that ring," that's truth. . . .isn't it? :~

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

Lost User

John Carson wrote:

Ignore what the majority of the world's experts say

Lies. Only 219 scientists signed the Bali letter. Why? Because there are only 219 scientists in the world who believe this crap. The rest of the touted 2000 or so are government employees and other politically interested parties.

John Carson wrote:

put your faith in an unqualified journalist

Perhaps if the editors of science magazines weren't forced to be politically correct there would be debate in them rather than in the media?

John Carson wrote:

Sometimes I despair for the world.

Of course you do. All the time. And thats your problem. You think the worlkd is in trouble and you can save it. What a bizare supermanesque kind of delusion you have there John. You really ought to get some therapy because in reality you are insignificant. To the world, to nature, and to man.

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

Lost User

I dont. The world is full of deceit and spin. Orwell had it right.

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

Lost User

Oh dont bother asking Carson for proof. All he can do is post links to website like RealClimate, yes, the site rund by that fraudulant liar Mann and Hansens lackies. He will never provide one shred of proof that mankind by burining oil is having a measurable effect on temperature, let alone an effect that in outweighing all the others actully drives temperarue. He is a fool who hides behind other fools and liars and will one day be forced to retire from his then untenable position and accept the humiliation due. And that day will be good.

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

John Carson

fat_boy wrote:

You think the worlkd is in trouble and you can save it.

Source for this claim?

John Carson

Lost User

So you DONT think you and everyone else are responsible for the woes of the world and therefore you and everyone else are the only salvation?

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

Oakman

John Carson wrote:

Sometimes I despair for the world.

Me, too. Not necessarily for exactly the same reasons, but me, too.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

John Carson

It take it that you consider that "you" and "you and everyone else" are identical expressions. You really are a waste of space.

John Carson

John Carson

Dalek Dave wrote:

Who are these experts? What do they say? Please provide proof that there is GW, the world is waiting! Why is Arctic sea Ice covering a bigger area today than 30 years ago? Why are most of the world glaciers expanding? Why is the sun producing an increasing amout of enery? Why is our axial shift bringing us into a more temperate climate? Why are people thinking that Humans are capable of doing this, when ONE VOLCANO could put more sh*t into the air than Human Beings could manage in a Century!

I'm not your research assistant, but if you looked past your favourite crank journalists, you would readily discover that most of the claims on this list are rubbish.

John Carson

Lost User

So you DONT think that you know better than everyone else?

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription