Wag the Dog
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The American and British airforces have been hitting targets in Iraq since the end of the Gulf War. They are enforcing the no fly zone which was designed to protected the Kurds and Southern Iraqis from Saddam's forces. This action is slightly larger than previous ones, but is pretty much business as usual. The Iraqi's decided to play a few of their games, the Collition forces responded in kind. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
This was a huge operation with about 100 planes. Also, take out this installation and it clears a path for special forces. We know that Iran and Iraq sponsor terrorism. We should just declare war on them both and get it over with.
Jason Henderson
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill -
America and the UK have just launched an air-borne attack against a defence site in Western Iraq. I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief but I can't understand how Britain, or more specifically, Blair is being so dumb too :( Why is the UK letting itself get tainted in the eye of the rest of the world by joining in this action? None of the other countries have joined or even supported the attack. The only excuse Blair can come up with is that it helps to strengthen the "special" relationship between Britain and the UK. Didn't Blair learn anything at school? One of his precedessors said something to the effect that allies are temporary, only interests are eternal. Blair would do well to listen to this wise counsel. The special relationship is special only for the British. From the American side Britian is just another small country who just happens to follow orders... America has more important countries to worry about. It's focus is not on Europe anymore now that the communist menace has been eliminated but on the Asian-Pacific rim and (because of the Isreali lobby) the mid-east. British support serves only to confer legitimacy. However the value of this will recede over time. If other countries know that Britain will automatically support the US in whatever adventure the US is currently up to the 2 countries will be seen to have a common foreign policy (Javeir Solana, EU foreign "minister", would kill for this) and thus devalue of support in the eyes of other countries. Britain has lost the excellence it once had in the practice of the fine art of diplomacy. It should learn from the Japanese (especially their expert handling of the Afganistan issue) and hopefully get back it's rightful place. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief :wtf::confused: Your absolutely right - the world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke before we do anything about him. Brian - if you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass. Dave Huff Igor would you give me a hand with the bags? Certainly - you take the blonde and I'll take the one in the turban!
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The American and British airforces have been hitting targets in Iraq since the end of the Gulf War. They are enforcing the no fly zone which was designed to protected the Kurds and Southern Iraqis from Saddam's forces. This action is slightly larger than previous ones, but is pretty much business as usual. The Iraqi's decided to play a few of their games, the Collition forces responded in kind. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
According to the BBC News this morning this is about the 30th such attack by the Coalition this year - it only made the news because it was on a larger scale than the others. Business as usual it seems. Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: It should learn from the Japanese (especially their expert handling of the Afganistan issue) Just curious how they handled the Afghan issue? I did not even know Japan was involved.
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
Cape Town, South AfricaFrom the Japanese point of view their country needs to things: - America to garauntee Japanese security - Markets for economic growth Although the Americans think that Japan is their ally it is only an ally in the sense that Japan wants America to defend it. Japan *wants* america to defend it because Japan has a historically bad reputation with other neighbours and they see an armed Japan as a military threat to be neutralized. So if Japan can get America to defend it Japan is seen as being defensive, i.e. it's not following an aggressive expansionist agenda as it did during the late 19th/early 20th century when it commited atrocities against the people of China, Korea and others. Although America protects Jap ass, the japanese can concentrate on the economics. And economically they are rivals of America. The Japanese don't shout this out ofcourse. But American foreign policy blunders put them in tight corners. America expects Japan to be an ally yet the Japanese are unwilling because they want to do business with the Arabs. The japs have no need to fight a war against Iraq or any other country. They just want their oil. When american war drums started beating recently signaling an attack on Iraq, Japan was worried about it's oil supply if war broke out so it signed a $12 billion investment deal with Iran - the same Iran America fingers as one of the Axis of Evil (TM) - and in return Iran promises a secure flow of oil for the Japanese economy. Yet Japan doesn't want to be seen as going against the Americans so Koizumi (jap prime minister) promises the best warships they have (Aegis-class cruisers). In reality the Japs just sent a couple of planes with blankets. They never had men on the ground. In return for this Rumsfield pronounced that he was pretty happy with the Japanese contribution. At the same time Koizumi was pledging support, another minister was doing the arab countries calming their fears and telling them that Japan was not really at war with anybody. Ofcourse I've left bits out in the above but it gives a rough idea of how the Japs dealt with the situation. They are still percieved as American friends in America but in Arab countries they are considered as friends. Britain would do well to the mercantilist diplomacy it too used to practice. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
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This was a huge operation with about 100 planes. Also, take out this installation and it clears a path for special forces. We know that Iran and Iraq sponsor terrorism. We should just declare war on them both and get it over with.
Jason Henderson
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: This was a huge operation with about 100 planes. I'll agree it was a large operation, designed more for sending a political message than just combatting the threat. Jason Henderson wrote: We know that Iran and Iraq sponsor terrorism. We should just declare war on them both and get it over with. Yes. We should declare war on any country that doesn't support free and democratic elections. We should take out the petty dictators and those who are running there countries into the group. - But it shouldn't be the governments doing this, it should be Joe Public standing up and saying to our governments "Go sort out the world, or we will do it for you". The Americans have something that reads "We the people...". Sometimes I think that we forgot who holds the true power in all the countries of the world. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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Jason Henderson wrote: This was a huge operation with about 100 planes. I'll agree it was a large operation, designed more for sending a political message than just combatting the threat. Jason Henderson wrote: We know that Iran and Iraq sponsor terrorism. We should just declare war on them both and get it over with. Yes. We should declare war on any country that doesn't support free and democratic elections. We should take out the petty dictators and those who are running there countries into the group. - But it shouldn't be the governments doing this, it should be Joe Public standing up and saying to our governments "Go sort out the world, or we will do it for you". The Americans have something that reads "We the people...". Sometimes I think that we forgot who holds the true power in all the countries of the world. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
Sometimes I think that we forgot who holds the true power in all the countries of the world. It is shocking how people differ on this. Even my brother and I disagree. Me: "The government exists to serve the people." Brother: "The people serve the government." Floored me when he admitted that. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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LOL, it was a tounge in cheek statement. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: LOL, it was a tounge in cheek statement. Thought so, but I was trying to grow up, be mature and stop posting bullshit messages in the forum... :rolleyes:
Paul Watson
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LOL, it was a tounge in cheek statement. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: LOL, it was a tounge in cheek statement :-O You need to be more explicit. Americans like their comedy in slapstick form, you know...:laugh::-O -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
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Sometimes I think that we forgot who holds the true power in all the countries of the world. It is shocking how people differ on this. Even my brother and I disagree. Me: "The government exists to serve the people." Brother: "The people serve the government." Floored me when he admitted that. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: Floored me when he admitted that. It is a scary thing when people think like that. It makes you wonder how far governments could go before people started to take notice. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief :wtf::confused: Your absolutely right - the world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke before we do anything about him. Brian - if you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass. Dave Huff Igor would you give me a hand with the bags? Certainly - you take the blonde and I'll take the one in the turban!
Dave Huff wrote: you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass Nope. That was Dubya Bush :) Dave - get an education. Read some history will ya and make some sense. Dave Huff wrote: world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke The "world" has to do something about Saddam's nukes because the "world" let the situation come to this point. Infact the "world" is America. Don't you Americans understand how much arabs hate you? They really, really do. And for a bloody good reason: your policy in the middle-east is crap. There are some reasons Arabs hate you: - American military personnel on Arab holy soil. Would you like me to piss against the Lincoln Memorial. No? Neither do the arabs. - Overt american support towards Israel. This is one of the worst blunders. Ever. - America is percieved as being an imperialistic power which threatens the local culture and, worse, undermine the local regime. Even more worse, sometimes America support unpopular regimes on the basis of "he's a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch". - American hypocrisy. If america loves democracy so much why does it support corrupt/undemocratic regimes. Pakistan's Musharraf (the one Bush didnt know his name) is suddenly a friend of the US. Why is it America which is being fired at and not Japan or Switzerland or any other country? Please stop and engage your brain before opening your mouth. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
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Dave Huff wrote: you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass Nope. That was Dubya Bush :) Dave - get an education. Read some history will ya and make some sense. Dave Huff wrote: world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke The "world" has to do something about Saddam's nukes because the "world" let the situation come to this point. Infact the "world" is America. Don't you Americans understand how much arabs hate you? They really, really do. And for a bloody good reason: your policy in the middle-east is crap. There are some reasons Arabs hate you: - American military personnel on Arab holy soil. Would you like me to piss against the Lincoln Memorial. No? Neither do the arabs. - Overt american support towards Israel. This is one of the worst blunders. Ever. - America is percieved as being an imperialistic power which threatens the local culture and, worse, undermine the local regime. Even more worse, sometimes America support unpopular regimes on the basis of "he's a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch". - American hypocrisy. If america loves democracy so much why does it support corrupt/undemocratic regimes. Pakistan's Musharraf (the one Bush didnt know his name) is suddenly a friend of the US. Why is it America which is being fired at and not Japan or Switzerland or any other country? Please stop and engage your brain before opening your mouth. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
wave making...
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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wave making...
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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Jason Henderson wrote: This was a huge operation with about 100 planes. I'll agree it was a large operation, designed more for sending a political message than just combatting the threat. Jason Henderson wrote: We know that Iran and Iraq sponsor terrorism. We should just declare war on them both and get it over with. Yes. We should declare war on any country that doesn't support free and democratic elections. We should take out the petty dictators and those who are running there countries into the group. - But it shouldn't be the governments doing this, it should be Joe Public standing up and saying to our governments "Go sort out the world, or we will do it for you". The Americans have something that reads "We the people...". Sometimes I think that we forgot who holds the true power in all the countries of the world. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
I would rather we keep our noses out of other countries. Sure, their people should have the same rights as Americans but we have no right to go in and dictate who governs them. However, Iran and Iraq support terrorism and have been beligerent toward us for many years now. On Sept. 11th, terrorists (most likely funded by Iran and Iraq) attacked us. We should formally declare war on these 2 countries just like we did on Japan in '41. We need to take out their leaders and make it impossible for them to wage war or fund a terrorist war ever again.
Jason Henderson
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill -
Brian Azzopardi wrote: I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief :wtf::confused: Your absolutely right - the world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke before we do anything about him. Brian - if you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass. Dave Huff Igor would you give me a hand with the bags? Certainly - you take the blonde and I'll take the one in the turban!
Dave Huff wrote: Your absolutely right - the world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke before we do anything about him. Actually they (that is US) should send one to him, then announce that he has already a nuclear weapons (they sent one, they can show the postal receipt to prove that) and then nuke Saddam right away. That would be the hell of a trick! ;)
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From the Japanese point of view their country needs to things: - America to garauntee Japanese security - Markets for economic growth Although the Americans think that Japan is their ally it is only an ally in the sense that Japan wants America to defend it. Japan *wants* america to defend it because Japan has a historically bad reputation with other neighbours and they see an armed Japan as a military threat to be neutralized. So if Japan can get America to defend it Japan is seen as being defensive, i.e. it's not following an aggressive expansionist agenda as it did during the late 19th/early 20th century when it commited atrocities against the people of China, Korea and others. Although America protects Jap ass, the japanese can concentrate on the economics. And economically they are rivals of America. The Japanese don't shout this out ofcourse. But American foreign policy blunders put them in tight corners. America expects Japan to be an ally yet the Japanese are unwilling because they want to do business with the Arabs. The japs have no need to fight a war against Iraq or any other country. They just want their oil. When american war drums started beating recently signaling an attack on Iraq, Japan was worried about it's oil supply if war broke out so it signed a $12 billion investment deal with Iran - the same Iran America fingers as one of the Axis of Evil (TM) - and in return Iran promises a secure flow of oil for the Japanese economy. Yet Japan doesn't want to be seen as going against the Americans so Koizumi (jap prime minister) promises the best warships they have (Aegis-class cruisers). In reality the Japs just sent a couple of planes with blankets. They never had men on the ground. In return for this Rumsfield pronounced that he was pretty happy with the Japanese contribution. At the same time Koizumi was pledging support, another minister was doing the arab countries calming their fears and telling them that Japan was not really at war with anybody. Ofcourse I've left bits out in the above but it gives a rough idea of how the Japs dealt with the situation. They are still percieved as American friends in America but in Arab countries they are considered as friends. Britain would do well to the mercantilist diplomacy it too used to practice. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
Brian Azzopardi wrote: Britain would do well to the mercantilist diplomacy it too used to practice. Being a naive, optimistic and "more love" kind of guy it sounds to me like Japan is a two faced devil playing both sides. At least Britian sticks to one side. What happens when push comes to shove? Who will Japan have to side with and will that side even want Japan? Won't both the Arabs and Americans not trust Japan (and obviously both the Arabs and America know about Japans multi-sided dealings) in a crisis and so leave it out of the loop? Or is this "mercantilist" diplomacy an accepted and OK thing with politicians?
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
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Dave Huff wrote: you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass Nope. That was Dubya Bush :) Dave - get an education. Read some history will ya and make some sense. Dave Huff wrote: world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke The "world" has to do something about Saddam's nukes because the "world" let the situation come to this point. Infact the "world" is America. Don't you Americans understand how much arabs hate you? They really, really do. And for a bloody good reason: your policy in the middle-east is crap. There are some reasons Arabs hate you: - American military personnel on Arab holy soil. Would you like me to piss against the Lincoln Memorial. No? Neither do the arabs. - Overt american support towards Israel. This is one of the worst blunders. Ever. - America is percieved as being an imperialistic power which threatens the local culture and, worse, undermine the local regime. Even more worse, sometimes America support unpopular regimes on the basis of "he's a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch". - American hypocrisy. If america loves democracy so much why does it support corrupt/undemocratic regimes. Pakistan's Musharraf (the one Bush didnt know his name) is suddenly a friend of the US. Why is it America which is being fired at and not Japan or Switzerland or any other country? Please stop and engage your brain before opening your mouth. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
You're being naive. The Arab countries hate any country with non-Muslim majority.
Jason Henderson
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Dave Huff wrote: Your absolutely right - the world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke before we do anything about him. Actually they (that is US) should send one to him, then announce that he has already a nuclear weapons (they sent one, they can show the postal receipt to prove that) and then nuke Saddam right away. That would be the hell of a trick! ;)
George wrote: Actually they (that is US) should send one to him, then announce that he has already a nuclear weapons (they sent one, Hang on a minute, isn't that how the Gulf conflict got started. Western countries supplied Saddam with weapons which he then used against Kuwait rather than Iran. We then went in and took his toys away from him. ;-) Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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I would rather we keep our noses out of other countries. Sure, their people should have the same rights as Americans but we have no right to go in and dictate who governs them. However, Iran and Iraq support terrorism and have been beligerent toward us for many years now. On Sept. 11th, terrorists (most likely funded by Iran and Iraq) attacked us. We should formally declare war on these 2 countries just like we did on Japan in '41. We need to take out their leaders and make it impossible for them to wage war or fund a terrorist war ever again.
Jason Henderson
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: Sure, their people should have the same rights as Americans but we have no right to go in and dictate who governs them. But they will never the rights unless somebody gives them help in overthrowing the dictators. It is up to the free peoples of the world to help those who are oppressed. Sadly however we are more interested in our new cars and toaster ovens to give two fucks about what happens to some poor sod who decides he doesn't like what Saddam/Mugabe/insert name of hated dictator here. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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Tim Smith wrote: Floored me when he admitted that. It is a scary thing when people think like that. It makes you wonder how far governments could go before people started to take notice. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
Michael P Butler wrote: It makes you wonder how far governments could go before people started to take notice. Isn't it obvious they already do go too far and we just bend over and take it? Every year they edge a bit further towards what they want, we accept it and then next year when accepting a new shafting forget about last years shafting. i.e. We don't see it adding up. Then one day you wake up and go "OMG, what have we allowed?" Zimbabwe is a good example. Though lack of information and poor media has allowed internal people to think Zim is doing well while Mugabe goes off on a bender. I am with you on wanting to believe the first option. It should be that way, it must be! But it isn't is it? Since when does what we say stay our leaders? They are on their own missions and only listen to us when election time comes around again.
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
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Dave Huff wrote: you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass Nope. That was Dubya Bush :) Dave - get an education. Read some history will ya and make some sense. Dave Huff wrote: world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke The "world" has to do something about Saddam's nukes because the "world" let the situation come to this point. Infact the "world" is America. Don't you Americans understand how much arabs hate you? They really, really do. And for a bloody good reason: your policy in the middle-east is crap. There are some reasons Arabs hate you: - American military personnel on Arab holy soil. Would you like me to piss against the Lincoln Memorial. No? Neither do the arabs. - Overt american support towards Israel. This is one of the worst blunders. Ever. - America is percieved as being an imperialistic power which threatens the local culture and, worse, undermine the local regime. Even more worse, sometimes America support unpopular regimes on the basis of "he's a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch". - American hypocrisy. If america loves democracy so much why does it support corrupt/undemocratic regimes. Pakistan's Musharraf (the one Bush didnt know his name) is suddenly a friend of the US. Why is it America which is being fired at and not Japan or Switzerland or any other country? Please stop and engage your brain before opening your mouth. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
David Huff wrote: you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass **Brian Azzopardi wrote:**Nope. That was Dubya Bush You should have more respect for a man who almost suceedeed in killing himself using only a pretzel! -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD