VS 2010 - what are the shiny parts?
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesFor C++, there are several new and improved things that are nice. There are enough bugs and small annoyances still present that I'll be waiting until SP1. For C#, I honestly couldn't find anything compelling. Granted I didn't look deep since I mainly use C# for some utilities, to write wrapper APIs and some test code. ASP.NET programmers may find more. It's still too blasted expensive and there's a huge gap between the express edition and the pro edition. (I have VS 2008 Standard at home and VS 2008 Pro at work and I can't tell the difference. I know the difference, but haven't had to do anything that Standard couldn't handle.)
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesAside from the additions to C#, like optional parameters and a few others, I think the intellitrace debugging is interesting. Also the integration with testing I can see being useful.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesThe WPF and Silverlight designers are much better - but I rather like typing xaml so I am not sure how much use I will get from them.
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Yeah, like I mentioned, 3rd party commercial tools like Resharper has long had a "find member" kind of feature. Of course, Resharper and CodeRush add considerable overhead to the already-bloated IDE. Nice to just have it baked-in, ya know? :-)
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
Judah HimangoJudah Himango wrote:
Nice to just have it baked-in, ya know?
And you think, based on history, that the MS implementation is less bulky than the ones in Visual Assist (my choice!), ReSharper and CodeRush? ;)
Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel
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Judah Himango wrote:
In 2010, I can hit CTRL+, and a "find as you type" tool window will find classes, functions, fields, etc, letting you navigate directly from there. It also works with PascalCasing, so typing in "SED" will find members with ShowEmailDialog in the name.
This appears to have been copied from the refactoring tool vendors (e.g., CodeRush) but it's a good feature nevertheless. :)
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
This appears to have been copied
Well it is an MS product.
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
what are the shiny parts?"
I suppose the surfaces of the disc, maybe the packaging.
By shiny, they mean the best parts. So, I may say, the splash screen :)
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Judah Himango wrote:
Nice to just have it baked-in, ya know?
And you think, based on history, that the MS implementation is less bulky than the ones in Visual Assist (my choice!), ReSharper and CodeRush? ;)
Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel
So - let me get this straight - the new features in VS2010 are things that have been available in my editor (Slickedit) since the days of VS2005? Hmm, perhaps I'll stick with VS2008 until I see a need to change (or MS offer it to me free) :laugh:
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesThere are no shiny parts... because you can't polish a turd.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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surfaces of the disc just the underside of the disc(s) ;) (there are also really tiny holes)
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
But I got the .iso download...no shiny disc with tiny holes... :sigh:
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
This appears to have been copied
Well it is an MS product.
viaducting wrote:
Well it is an MS product
Reminds me of Larry Ellison's (Oracle) quip about MS. "Microsoft's idea of innovation is to copy it and add it to Windows." Substitute Visual Studio for Windows. :) Actually, I don't mind that a software vendor copies, so long as it's a good implementation.
Kevin
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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There are no shiny parts... because you can't polish a turd.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
You can't polish a turd...
...but you can roll it in glitter.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
Well, I can tell you why we're upgrading later this week: One thing I'm looking forward to, from an IDE and tooling perspective, is preventing bugs with Pex and tracking down bugs with IntelliTrace (aka Historical Debugging).
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
Sure. Multi-monitor support, for example. This means you can have, for example, code file Foo.cs opened in one monitor, with Bar.cs opened on the other monitor. Another thing I like is Navigate To feature. In VS 2008, if I wanted to find a class or function or code file, I'd hit CTRL+F, search for a few seconds, then find the proper match in the search results. In 2010, I can hit CTRL+, and a "find as you type" tool window will find classes, functions, fields, etc, letting you navigate directly from there. It also works with PascalCasing, so typing in "SED" will find members with ShowEmailDialog in the name.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
:)
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
Judah Himango -
So - let me get this straight - the new features in VS2010 are things that have been available in my editor (Slickedit) since the days of VS2005? Hmm, perhaps I'll stick with VS2008 until I see a need to change (or MS offer it to me free) :laugh:
I've been playing with 2010 in a VM. It's fine, but to me it isn't really an upgrade right now. I just moved from VS2005 to 2008 recently. Think I'll stay put for now. I'm getting a little tired of upgrading all the time. Used to make sense, but the stuff is so feature-laden now as it is that I find it difficult to justify the expense when I'm not using all the features as it is. Know what I mean? -Max
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Judah Himango wrote:
tracking down bugs with IntelliTrace (aka Historical Debugging).
As-advertised, IntelliTrace simply won't work with C++, oh well.
pg--az
Right. Which is fine by me, since I almost never do native development anymore.
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
Judah Himango -
Judah Himango wrote:
Nice to just have it baked-in, ya know?
And you think, based on history, that the MS implementation is less bulky than the ones in Visual Assist (my choice!), ReSharper and CodeRush? ;)
Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel
Try it and see for yourself. With 3rd party add-ins, you'll end up running into OoME. I believe some of the 3rd party add-ins even have workarounds for this. When it's baked in, there's no overhead for the add-in. Less bloat. And I don't have to buy a 3rd party add-in to boot.
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
Judah Himango -
I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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without it, you're not a true MS fan.
"it"? You mean the sarcasm?
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesI am liking VS2010 for the better IntelliSense (especially with javascript/jquery), the tooling refresh (particularly ASP.NET MVC and the Silverlight/WPF experience), multi-targeting, the better deploy/publish paradigm for web-based projects. I use multi-monitor support daily. I like the debug experience a lot better. If you haven't tried watch-variable pinning yet you'll certainly enjoy that. Pex looks like the solution to the 70% of code that we can't find budget for to write tests. The WPF-based code-editor is great for moving around in the code file. Block-shaped editing is awesome. When editing, you also get better visibility and highlighting of tokens/classes/params/etc (when your caret is in one, it lights up all other instances in the class file). Those are some...I've been using it for quite some time so it's hard to remember what isn't there in 2008. As for comments around 'upgrading all the time'...two times in five years isn't by any means 'all the time'. I would suggest that anyone not using the tools available from one version to the next is either maintaining legacy code or stuck in their ways and not willing to spend the time to learn new, valuable career skills. Cheers, -jc
