Evilcry1, and proprietary software
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Well, Delphi's not that bad. It has the aura of age, which makes it respectable; Javascript though...
Michel Godfroid wrote:
Javascript though...
Yeah, I'd agree, JS is definitely the work of the Devil! Although it's still not as bad as perl...
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Thank you for the support, I really appreciate it :) I'll republish the article and successive (yeah I planned to write a set of articles) on my blog. About the question I think, that to show how works a certain software, commercial or not is not a crime or spam, I casually discovered the software in question and I've founded it a Valid (in 10 years I've seen various bad Filtering Systems) and Flexible solution. The intent was easly to say "hey people here a good library..and here what you can do and how works" and hopefully this will help some coder. Nothing more, also because I'm not the author of the sw in question :) after this bad experience my first and last article here. Just wanted to renovate my appreciation for your words. Have a nice Day, Giuseppe
In the future if you repost it, wait a week or so. If you're getting a rash of idiot 1 voters, usually these will get balanced out by some 5's, though that may take a week or two to occur.
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Check your link to his site, it's busted at the moment.
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fixt, thanks. Apparently cut and paste is above me too...
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True, I must admit that his article didn't really strike a chord here, because it referred to some software that I didn't have. Not really interested in filtering packets either :-). But the same thing applies to Delphi programming: I don't look at any Delphi Programming, I wish the world would get rid of the bloody thing, and that the inventor of Delphi would rot in hell, together with the idiot who thought up JavaScript. Now if someone wants to post an article on Delphi, I'll quietly ignore him, check my pacemaker, and take my prescription pills. I Won't flame him.
Michel Godfroid wrote:
if someone wants to post an article on Delphi, I'll quietly ignore him
I'm not sure if I would ignore the person. It would depend on the article content, and if it were something useful for me, I'd take a look at the code and try to write something similar to it in C#.
Michel Godfroid wrote:
Not really interested in filtering packets either
Same here, unless I'm given a project that may require it from a company security standpoint.
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Michel Godfroid wrote:
Javascript though...
Yeah, I'd agree, JS is definitely the work of the Devil! Although it's still not as bad as perl...
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Javascript
what's wrong with javascript? I like it... yes i know it's untyped, etc, but so what?
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you are right, there wasn't anything wrong with the subject. I didn't read the whole article, however I did see five unjustified "my vote of 1" messages. This is yet another argument for limiting the (down)voting rights of the masses, especially since the article had appeared, hence had passed the approval process. It is disappointing to see how a few can drive away a well-intended CP member. :)
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
It is disappointing to see how a few can drive away a well-intended CP member.
Yes, it is a shame. I tend to just ignore the 1-voters. I've seen a few decent articles, in my opinion, and just ignore the 1-votes that have little or no constructive criticism of the article. I only look at 1-vote comments if they are a valid constructive criticism of the article. Not little meaningless one or two word b.s. messages.
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you are right, there wasn't anything wrong with the subject. I didn't read the whole article, however I did see five unjustified "my vote of 1" messages. This is yet another argument for limiting the (down)voting rights of the masses, especially since the article had appeared, hence had passed the approval process. It is disappointing to see how a few can drive away a well-intended CP member. :)
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Thanks, Luc, as a RMOTCP ( Respected member of the Code Project), (and fellow Belgian :laugh: ), I think your argument will carry a lot more weight than mine...
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you are right, there wasn't anything wrong with the subject. I didn't read the whole article, however I did see five unjustified "my vote of 1" messages. This is yet another argument for limiting the (down)voting rights of the masses, especially since the article had appeared, hence had passed the approval process. It is disappointing to see how a few can drive away a well-intended CP member. :)
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
limiting the (down)voting rights of the masses
At least for articles. Or you could require a 50 word explanation. With some heuristics to prevent garbage posts. Perhaps someone with a good reputation could approve the down-vote.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Javascript
what's wrong with javascript? I like it... yes i know it's untyped, etc, but so what?
Fight Big Government:
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http://obamacaretruth.org/For simple functions it's fine, but it always seems awkward to me, and I definitely don't like the syntax for dealing with classes, etc. It's just a personal pet peeve, I find it irritating.
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you are right, there wasn't anything wrong with the subject. I didn't read the whole article, however I did see five unjustified "my vote of 1" messages. This is yet another argument for limiting the (down)voting rights of the masses, especially since the article had appeared, hence had passed the approval process. It is disappointing to see how a few can drive away a well-intended CP member. :)
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
It is disappointing to see how a few can drive away a well-intended CP member.
Well in all fairness, if he had just waited a week or two, I'm sure things would have been balanced out. If he had left the article up, after the OP's post here, I'm sure there would have been a number of 5 votes made, given the apparent quality of the article, and that would have sorted the whole thing out.
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
limiting the (down)voting rights of the masses
At least for articles. Or you could require a 50 word explanation. With some heuristics to prevent garbage posts. Perhaps someone with a good reputation could approve the down-vote.
Fight Big Government:
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http://obamacaretruth.org/ahmed zahmed wrote:
At least for articles
That is what I meant. Message votes are of lesser importance, as messages typically aren't the result of a big investment of time and effort, articles are.
ahmed zahmed wrote:
Perhaps someone with a good reputation could approve the down-vote
Yeah, an indirect scheme has been proposed only recently (by martin_hughes IIRC); people would be able to comment, and the comments (not the article itself) would be voted upon, resulting in a score for the article itself. IMO there is a lot of merit in such scheme, the major disadvantage would be a bit of delay to get a score. :)
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For simple functions it's fine, but it always seems awkward to me, and I definitely don't like the syntax for dealing with classes, etc. It's just a personal pet peeve, I find it irritating.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
syntax for dealing with classes, etc
yeah, that is rather arcane and obtuse.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
At least for articles
That is what I meant. Message votes are of lesser importance, as messages typically aren't the result of a big investment of time and effort, articles are.
ahmed zahmed wrote:
Perhaps someone with a good reputation could approve the down-vote
Yeah, an indirect scheme has been proposed only recently (by martin_hughes IIRC); people would be able to comment, and the comments (not the article itself) would be voted upon, resulting in a score for the article itself. IMO there is a lot of merit in such scheme, the major disadvantage would be a bit of delay to get a score. :)
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
major disadvantage would be a bit of delay to get a score
I don't see that as a disadvantage. Also, if people don't have the wherewithal to wait for their vote to count then their vote must not be worth it.
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
It is disappointing to see how a few can drive away a well-intended CP member.
Well in all fairness, if he had just waited a week or two, I'm sure things would have been balanced out. If he had left the article up, after the OP's post here, I'm sure there would have been a number of 5 votes made, given the apparent quality of the article, and that would have sorted the whole thing out.
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Yes, maybe he reacted too soon. However he only got "my vote of 1" messages (by people I never heard of before AFAICR), more down-votes than up-votes, and I can't recall any explicit sign of support. I for one did not react because the subject was out of my league. As he intended a couple of follow-up articles and has his own blog anyway, I can well understand his decision to have the article removed; and of course I regret he felt the need to give up on CP. :^)
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Today, a new contributor http://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/View.aspx?mid=7098780#About[^] was forced into removing his article http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3443860/How-I-Can-Delete-my-Article-and-Account.aspx[^]from the code project because it referred to proprietary (paying) software. If the self appointed zealots keep this up, I vote that we remove any article that: - Refers to any version of Windows; Windows is a proprietary, paying operating system. - Refers to any version of visual studio professional; Visual studio is a paying IDE. - Refers to any version of Sourcesafe or TFS: paying products. - Refers to any version of Oracle: Paying products - Refers to any version IIS: Not free. Instead we will occupy ourselves with GNU compiler, the Mono project, and Linux. Get a life, mates, most of us are professional programmers here, and we intend to at least buy a sandwich from what we do. Oh, and don't hesitate to support Evilcry1.
Didn't get a chance to read the article, but I'm somewhat conflicted if the sample code didn't run without buying the accompanying software. Still, if the article was written in such a way that it demonstrates something other than the third party software, then it should have stayed. Though I'd then say it should come with an alternative sample application with, say, a dummy third-party DLL that provides test data rather than fully implementing whatever the third-party DLL does. Just as long as I can download a sample and see it do its thing without having to buy something (even Visual Studio has free express editions, and most companies buy their employees pro copies). And, seriously, who doesn't have a copy of Windows these days (hint: not many, and Code Project is Microsoft oriented anyway)? As far as TFS, IIS, and SourceSafe, those are pretty common (e.g., IIS comes with XP Pro) and there is typically not a third-party that is going to spam Code Project with promo articles (not Microsoft's style). I don't know what Oracle is, so I can't comment on that. And if it does demonstrate something about the third party software, then perhaps it should have been nicely tucked away into product showcase.
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Today, a new contributor http://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/View.aspx?mid=7098780#About[^] was forced into removing his article http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3443860/How-I-Can-Delete-my-Article-and-Account.aspx[^]from the code project because it referred to proprietary (paying) software. If the self appointed zealots keep this up, I vote that we remove any article that: - Refers to any version of Windows; Windows is a proprietary, paying operating system. - Refers to any version of visual studio professional; Visual studio is a paying IDE. - Refers to any version of Sourcesafe or TFS: paying products. - Refers to any version of Oracle: Paying products - Refers to any version IIS: Not free. Instead we will occupy ourselves with GNU compiler, the Mono project, and Linux. Get a life, mates, most of us are professional programmers here, and we intend to at least buy a sandwich from what we do. Oh, and don't hesitate to support Evilcry1.
Replying to my own posts, I should get a life. For those who are interested, the original post has been reposted on http://evilcodecave.blogspot.com/[^] The whole point of discussing this (from my point of view), was, who decides what a valid article is. The original article was vetted by CP, but flamed and down-voted by some Trolls, and the original poster retired his article and cancelled his CP membership. I thought he'd made a valuable contribution. Related links: http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=3444113#xx3444113xx[^] http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?fid=1159&select=3444101&fr=76#xx0xx[^] Closing down this discussion now (from my side), you guys can rant and troll all you like :rolleyes:
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Today, a new contributor http://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/View.aspx?mid=7098780#About[^] was forced into removing his article http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3443860/How-I-Can-Delete-my-Article-and-Account.aspx[^]from the code project because it referred to proprietary (paying) software. If the self appointed zealots keep this up, I vote that we remove any article that: - Refers to any version of Windows; Windows is a proprietary, paying operating system. - Refers to any version of visual studio professional; Visual studio is a paying IDE. - Refers to any version of Sourcesafe or TFS: paying products. - Refers to any version of Oracle: Paying products - Refers to any version IIS: Not free. Instead we will occupy ourselves with GNU compiler, the Mono project, and Linux. Get a life, mates, most of us are professional programmers here, and we intend to at least buy a sandwich from what we do. Oh, and don't hesitate to support Evilcry1.
Michel Godfroid wrote:
was forced into removing his article
He was not forced to remove either the article or the account. He choose to, a big difference.
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Michel Godfroid wrote:
was forced into removing his article
He was not forced to remove either the article or the account. He choose to, a big difference.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
I said I wouldn't reply anymore, but I'll make an exception: this person was new contributor, and, according to me, a valuable one at that. If the community hits on those people, we have a problem. It is not acceptable that non-contributing members can scare off someone. Admitted, he should show some balls, but we should make this environment as friendly as possible.
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I said I wouldn't reply anymore, but I'll make an exception: this person was new contributor, and, according to me, a valuable one at that. If the community hits on those people, we have a problem. It is not acceptable that non-contributing members can scare off someone. Admitted, he should show some balls, but we should make this environment as friendly as possible.
Sheesh. I spend a weekend with the family and all hell breaks loose here in Valhalla. What was his code about, and what component did it have? I feel that I've missed out here.
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Thank you for the support, I really appreciate it :) I'll republish the article and successive (yeah I planned to write a set of articles) on my blog. About the question I think, that to show how works a certain software, commercial or not is not a crime or spam, I casually discovered the software in question and I've founded it a Valid (in 10 years I've seen various bad Filtering Systems) and Flexible solution. The intent was easly to say "hey people here a good library..and here what you can do and how works" and hopefully this will help some coder. Nothing more, also because I'm not the author of the sw in question :) after this bad experience my first and last article here. Just wanted to renovate my appreciation for your words. Have a nice Day, Giuseppe
Why don't you re-post your article and let everyone know that the 3rd party library has a demo version that can be downloaded for free? Will the demo version work with your code? Just a thought. :)