Evilcry1, and proprietary software
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Today, a new contributor http://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/View.aspx?mid=7098780#About[^] was forced into removing his article http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3443860/How-I-Can-Delete-my-Article-and-Account.aspx[^]from the code project because it referred to proprietary (paying) software. If the self appointed zealots keep this up, I vote that we remove any article that: - Refers to any version of Windows; Windows is a proprietary, paying operating system. - Refers to any version of visual studio professional; Visual studio is a paying IDE. - Refers to any version of Sourcesafe or TFS: paying products. - Refers to any version of Oracle: Paying products - Refers to any version IIS: Not free. Instead we will occupy ourselves with GNU compiler, the Mono project, and Linux. Get a life, mates, most of us are professional programmers here, and we intend to at least buy a sandwich from what we do. Oh, and don't hesitate to support Evilcry1.
Michel Godfroid wrote:
was forced into removing his article
He was not forced to remove either the article or the account. He choose to, a big difference.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Michel Godfroid wrote:
was forced into removing his article
He was not forced to remove either the article or the account. He choose to, a big difference.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
I said I wouldn't reply anymore, but I'll make an exception: this person was new contributor, and, according to me, a valuable one at that. If the community hits on those people, we have a problem. It is not acceptable that non-contributing members can scare off someone. Admitted, he should show some balls, but we should make this environment as friendly as possible.
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I said I wouldn't reply anymore, but I'll make an exception: this person was new contributor, and, according to me, a valuable one at that. If the community hits on those people, we have a problem. It is not acceptable that non-contributing members can scare off someone. Admitted, he should show some balls, but we should make this environment as friendly as possible.
Sheesh. I spend a weekend with the family and all hell breaks loose here in Valhalla. What was his code about, and what component did it have? I feel that I've missed out here.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Thank you for the support, I really appreciate it :) I'll republish the article and successive (yeah I planned to write a set of articles) on my blog. About the question I think, that to show how works a certain software, commercial or not is not a crime or spam, I casually discovered the software in question and I've founded it a Valid (in 10 years I've seen various bad Filtering Systems) and Flexible solution. The intent was easly to say "hey people here a good library..and here what you can do and how works" and hopefully this will help some coder. Nothing more, also because I'm not the author of the sw in question :) after this bad experience my first and last article here. Just wanted to renovate my appreciation for your words. Have a nice Day, Giuseppe
Why don't you re-post your article and let everyone know that the 3rd party library has a demo version that can be downloaded for free? Will the demo version work with your code? Just a thought. :)
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Evilcry1 was NOT advertising his own software. He was using a commercial library, which he thought was good. There's nothing wrong with commercial software, if you offer a service, you expect to make a living out of it. What we do in the code project is help other people to become better developers, free, and no strings attached. What we the seniors, get from it, is a reputation, and trough that reputation, employment opportunities, or indeed the chance to flog our software. What we offer is counsel to fledgling developers, who may remain hobbyists all their life (nothing wrong with that) and are just interested in IT, or we may get them to the path of fame and glory, and be the next Google. (Nothing wrong with that either).
I agree with nearly everything you say, but consider what would happen if that rule wasn't enforced, and many of the articles here ended up as advertising white papers: we (the CP members) wouldn't know if an article returned by an article search required us to buy something, or was freely available. Having said that, I am still in favor of loosening the rule a bit, because - as you say - an article about using C# would never be rejected. A CP editor could easily mark an article as being a "commercial article", which would be shown/filtered in search results. Of course, none of this is going to happen, because CP itself is a commercial venture, and I imagine the CP people have gotten used to getting paychecks. Hence the huge fees charged for submissions to the Article Showcase. You can't really fault them for that; it's their site, after all, and the article rules are clearly stated.
Best wishes, Hans
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Javascript
what's wrong with javascript? I like it... yes i know it's untyped, etc, but so what?
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http://obamacaretruth.org/ahmed zahmed wrote:
i know it's untyped
Not true. If you want it on your computer and you don't have voice recognition software, it's typed.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
i know it's untyped
Not true. If you want it on your computer and you don't have voice recognition software, it's typed.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Hard Typed? you know, hitting the keys really hard?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Hard Typed? you know, hitting the keys really hard?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Bang those keys like a chimpanzee playing the bongos.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Bang those keys like a chimpanzee playing the bongos.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
get your code for nuthin' and your chicks for free?
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Today, a new contributor http://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/View.aspx?mid=7098780#About[^] was forced into removing his article http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3443860/How-I-Can-Delete-my-Article-and-Account.aspx[^]from the code project because it referred to proprietary (paying) software. If the self appointed zealots keep this up, I vote that we remove any article that: - Refers to any version of Windows; Windows is a proprietary, paying operating system. - Refers to any version of visual studio professional; Visual studio is a paying IDE. - Refers to any version of Sourcesafe or TFS: paying products. - Refers to any version of Oracle: Paying products - Refers to any version IIS: Not free. Instead we will occupy ourselves with GNU compiler, the Mono project, and Linux. Get a life, mates, most of us are professional programmers here, and we intend to at least buy a sandwich from what we do. Oh, and don't hesitate to support Evilcry1.
I respectfully disagree. While he placed disclaimers in the article, I thought it read like a tutorial for a commercial product. I'm surprised it got approved. It wasn't a very good article on top of that. (Saying it's a first article isn't a valid excuse.) As for Windows, IIS and Visual Studio; they are a given and part of the mission of this site. The Code Project isn't about programming in general; it's about programming on Windows and IIS using Visual Studio. Were I in charge, I personally wouldn't approve an article that was completely Oracle centric, especially if it was mostly tutorial in nature. I might approve one that discussed how to make, say, ADO work with Oracle. In the end, Chris Maunder is the ultimate arbiter and I'll defer to him. Incidentally, there is a "Third Party Products" section where the article could have, and probably should have, landed.
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Sheesh. I spend a weekend with the family and all hell breaks loose here in Valhalla. What was his code about, and what component did it have? I feel that I've missed out here.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
The article in question was about using a commercial product. Not in itself bad, or unusal, however in order to use the code described one would have to purchase the product. As Chris has explained he has tried to limit articles to those that the ordinary development can use, without additional purchases. I believe the author was hit by copy cat voters, once one chimed in about inappropriate material, others echoed the feeling. I also believe the author, with a self professed long history of development took it a little too far with a sour grapes attitude and a "I'll take my toys and leave" approach.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt