Want to learn something from ground up/ don't know what
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I'm afraid I missed that before. Would I still be on time when I study it now, or has its future already passed? :)
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Not when I play it. I like it distorted.
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I'm afraid I missed that before. Would I still be on time when I study it now, or has its future already passed? :)
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
Would I still be on time when I study it now, or has its future already passed?
We're working on version 2^n (codenamed two'to'n), so there's still time. :) Marc
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
Would I still be on time when I study it now, or has its future already passed?
We're working on version 2^n (codenamed two'to'n), so there's still time. :) Marc
OK, I'll try and catch up right away. Thanks. :)
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Ideally you would *want* to make *something*, that would be your passion and the language and tools to do it would all be incidental and learned along the way to making something you really like and believe in. Personally I find it really easy to learn stuff when it is in aid of whatever I'm actually interested in accomplishing.
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So very true! 5+
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John C wrote:
Ideally you would *want* to make *something*, that would be your passion and the language and tools to do it would all be incidental and learned along the way to making something you really like and believe in.
Well said. :thumbsup: I don't know anyone who decided to become a software engineer because they "hoped it would pay well." /ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
I don't know anyone who decided to become a software engineer because they "hoped it would pay well."
.... um .... :~ .... I did. I put aside my aspirations to be a professional mattress tester (and sleep all day) or professional gamer (and play games all day) or bar tender (and drink all day) with the thought that maybe one day I will need a steady income. Seriously, when I had to choose a major (didn't even want to go to college) I had only two 'A' grades. One was studio art, and the other was C programming. I figured this would pay more. However, many years later, I'm trying again to figure out how to escape this cubicle :mad: Edit: Multiple edits because I can't spell after multiple 'on call' situations last night :confused:
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In my experience you will do far better if you have problem and are looking for a solution than if you have a solution looking for a problem, unless it's a purely academic exercise. If it's academic, then study and learn whatever you want. If it supposed to be practical, figure out what problem you want to solve, then learn whatever it takes to solve it.
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
I don't know anyone who decided to become a software engineer because they "hoped it would pay well."
.... um .... :~ .... I did. I put aside my aspirations to be a professional mattress tester (and sleep all day) or professional gamer (and play games all day) or bar tender (and drink all day) with the thought that maybe one day I will need a steady income. Seriously, when I had to choose a major (didn't even want to go to college) I had only two 'A' grades. One was studio art, and the other was C programming. I figured this would pay more. However, many years later, I'm trying again to figure out how to escape this cubicle :mad: Edit: Multiple edits because I can't spell after multiple 'on call' situations last night :confused:
I'm sure you're not in the minority but maybe it's just prejudice but I can't see anyone creating anything truly great or wonderful if their only doing it for the money, then again in a big shop I guess there isn't a lot of opportunity to do anything great anyway being just a big cog in a development machine.
There is no failure only feedback
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I'm sure you're not in the minority but maybe it's just prejudice but I can't see anyone creating anything truly great or wonderful if their only doing it for the money, then again in a big shop I guess there isn't a lot of opportunity to do anything great anyway being just a big cog in a development machine.
There is no failure only feedback
I guess thats the difference eh, most people I know don't want to create something great or wonderful, but just want to make it to the next pay day and feed their kids and still have somewhere to live. The sad part is I am sure they DID want to make something great and wonderful in whatever career they chose, but have had their spirits ground down by decades of debt and week-to-week living.
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I guess thats the difference eh, most people I know don't want to create something great or wonderful, but just want to make it to the next pay day and feed their kids and still have somewhere to live. The sad part is I am sure they DID want to make something great and wonderful in whatever career they chose, but have had their spirits ground down by decades of debt and week-to-week living.
Phil Martin... wrote:
most people I know don't want to create something great or wonderful, but just want to make it to the next pay day and feed their kids and still have somewhere to live.
Yup, same thing goes on here as well and everywhere I'm sure. Most of those people that just want to make it to the next payday are people who chose (consciously or not) to live beyond their means and are paying for it year after crushing year. The real kicker is that there is a great deal of money to be made in creating something great that you truly enjoy doing and everyone would do well to take a step back and look at their lives and decide if they'd rather focus their energy towards owning cool stuff or making cool stuff.
There is no failure only feedback
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Phil Martin... wrote:
most people I know don't want to create something great or wonderful, but just want to make it to the next pay day and feed their kids and still have somewhere to live.
Yup, same thing goes on here as well and everywhere I'm sure. Most of those people that just want to make it to the next payday are people who chose (consciously or not) to live beyond their means and are paying for it year after crushing year. The real kicker is that there is a great deal of money to be made in creating something great that you truly enjoy doing and everyone would do well to take a step back and look at their lives and decide if they'd rather focus their energy towards owning cool stuff or making cool stuff.
There is no failure only feedback
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I'm sure you're not in the minority but maybe it's just prejudice but I can't see anyone creating anything truly great or wonderful if their only doing it for the money, then again in a big shop I guess there isn't a lot of opportunity to do anything great anyway being just a big cog in a development machine.
There is no failure only feedback
Very true, people where I work want to learn and develop in sillks and experience (I have a two day project management course next month) or they don't survive in the environment there. On the other hand we get well paid because it is difficult to find people who fit the bill and the specialist knowledge is very difficult to replace. Different folks etc..
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Hello everyone, I would like to start learning some language from ground up and have a pretty good knowledge about it and do freelance work and maybe in the future build a start-up company. Keeping in mind the technology trends, what do you think would be the best investment for such an adventure. Some options i have in mind are: iPhone programming, Silverlight, .Net etc. Can you give me some insight on this. Thank you all
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Those are just ways to get the job done. You need to have a passion for something or you won't get far. So - what is it you want to achieve? Who do you want to be?
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Trollslayer wrote:
Who do you want to be?
Tonight, Elaine, I'd like to be Mario Lanza.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Trollslayer wrote:
Who do you want to be?
Tonight, Elaine, I'd like to be Mario Lanza.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
The question is: do your neighbors want you to be Mario Lanza? BTW: A white Christmas is quite likely, no need to spill any dreams on the subject. :)
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Hello everyone, I would like to start learning some language from ground up and have a pretty good knowledge about it and do freelance work and maybe in the future build a start-up company. Keeping in mind the technology trends, what do you think would be the best investment for such an adventure. Some options i have in mind are: iPhone programming, Silverlight, .Net etc. Can you give me some insight on this. Thank you all
While I agree with most here who say that the language is just a tool you use, and generally select to fit the job at hand, if it's a career you want, I'd pick a smartphone and download the development kit. These damned things aren't going to go away, they're just going to get smaller, more powerful, and more annoying, so you might as well pick something that's got a future. They all work the same way, so regardless of what language one uses, the others will look pretty much the same. And if you find that you don't like your career choice, run - don't walk - away from it. The only thing nearly as miserable as being married to the wrong partner is being stuck in a job you hate. And making it your own business won't make it any more enjoyable, I promise you.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Hello everyone, I would like to start learning some language from ground up and have a pretty good knowledge about it and do freelance work and maybe in the future build a start-up company. Keeping in mind the technology trends, what do you think would be the best investment for such an adventure. Some options i have in mind are: iPhone programming, Silverlight, .Net etc. Can you give me some insight on this. Thank you all
Gardening?
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John C wrote:
Ideally you would *want* to make *something*, that would be your passion and the language and tools to do it would all be incidental and learned along the way to making something you really like and believe in.
Well said. :thumbsup: I don't know anyone who decided to become a software engineer because they "hoped it would pay well." /ravi
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Phil Martin... wrote:
most people I know don't want to create something great or wonderful, but just want to make it to the next pay day and feed their kids and still have somewhere to live.
Yup, same thing goes on here as well and everywhere I'm sure. Most of those people that just want to make it to the next payday are people who chose (consciously or not) to live beyond their means and are paying for it year after crushing year. The real kicker is that there is a great deal of money to be made in creating something great that you truly enjoy doing and everyone would do well to take a step back and look at their lives and decide if they'd rather focus their energy towards owning cool stuff or making cool stuff.
There is no failure only feedback
It appears to me that you have limited perspective in regards to (at least) some segments of the programming community (of which I'm not a member). I work for a large company and we have LOTS of programmers who are happy doing their jobs - maintaining and extending existing code bases for important systems used in house. Some portion of them probably 'live beyond their means,' but many of them don't. They're good at what they do but may not have the vision, imagination, or desire to create something great. If you are the type that can and does do that, more power to you. I suspect that ability places you more towards the elite end of the programming spectrum, but I think you shouldn't dismiss the careers of those who probably land more towards the middle of the spectrum JMHO
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Hello everyone, I would like to start learning some language from ground up and have a pretty good knowledge about it and do freelance work and maybe in the future build a start-up company. Keeping in mind the technology trends, what do you think would be the best investment for such an adventure. Some options i have in mind are: iPhone programming, Silverlight, .Net etc. Can you give me some insight on this. Thank you all
You have to determine your target operating system first, because that will determine which languages you can choose from. If you require multiplatform. then choose a language which allows you to compile for multiple operating systems. Now if you want to primarily target Windows (Intel based CPU's) such as Vista and Windows 7, but don't require windows for mobile devices, one lesser known programming language which is quite powerful is PowerBasic. I have been using PowerBasic for about 10 years now and while it requires a good knowledge of the Windows API (which is useful when using other languages), it produces applications with no dependencies, small footprint and very fast. The Intel Atom CPU is currently taking the world by "storm" in netbooks and very likely tablet PC's before long and Powerbasic has the advantage of producing apps which will work well on such CPU's, where as the more bloat dot.net tools may not produce apps that run well on such CPU's. Technologies like DirectX may not work as well on CPU's like Atom, since they don't have as much horsepower. I have written a proprietary, software based (no DirectX), Sprite engine which flies on Atom CPU's, where as other technologies may run poorly (ie. DirectX). I am currently working on an OpenGL based graphics engine as well, which should run well on Atom CPU's, runs well on Windows 7 and even on Linux using Wine. All of it was written using PowerBasic. Sure it required learning the low level Windows and OpenGL API's, but it was worth it IMO. PowerBasic is simliar in syntax to longtime Microsoft basics (QuickBasic, PDS 7.1, Visual basic) as far as the core Basic language. You can also write all your code in either procedural style or using OOP (supports classes). I prefer a more procedural code style, since I don't like OOP much, but PowerBasic lets me write it either way. If you never heard of Powerbasic, likely you have heard ot Borlands TurboBasic. When Borland decided to stop going "head to head" with Microsoft with a Basic compiler, they sold/gave (?) back the rights to the Turbobasic compiler to its original developer, who renamed it PowerBasic. The Windows version of their compiler is very powerful.
