Happy Memorial Day, America
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Oakman wrote:
I think he may have just pissed himself at the thought of someone aiming a gun at him.
Would that be because that's the normal, human reaction to staring death in the face?
:laugh: Yeah, thanks Ravel. You really actually stated the facts there quite succinctly.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
"Ireland was a policing role".
I suggest before opening your mouth on that subject, you dress in a British Army Uniform and wander around Belfast.
Let's see how long you last before someone shoots you dead.Hey, Korea was a "police action", too. :laugh:
Never give aversion therapy to a masochist. The results are unpredictable. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
Vietnam was too wasnt it? :)
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fat_boy wrote:
You think there is any kind of nobility in soldiering?
A lot more than there is in you, thats for sure.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Thats a feeble response. Take a look at this: http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3911304/Re-Happy-Memorial-Day-America.aspx[^] Is that noble?
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fat_boy wrote:
Why see it in a positive sentimental light when soldiers have been responsible for pretty much all the worlds misery?
As stated that demonstrates nothing but ignorance. And ignorance of a wide range of topics as well such as history, politics, economics, sociology and psychology.
Why call a differing point of view ignorant? Let me give you an example that supports my point of view: http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3911304/Re-Happy-Memorial-Day-America.aspx[^]
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Then you are both a Coward and a Fool. I served, I fought, what did you do? Cower behind your mother's apron strings? I agree that you should argue with and denigrate the fools who order soldiers to war, the politicians, but never belittle or insult the soldier. It is those that stand on the line that make your lives tolerable.
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Bang on. It's only because of the brave young people prepared to lay their lives on the line that we enjoy the freedoms we do.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Here's a clue. I'll type real slow: Your 'logic" (to use the term very loosely) bites its own ass. Now it is possible, of course, that you think England isn't worth defending. After all, you live in France, home of the army that surrenders before a shot is fired. But if that's the case, admit it. Or it is possible that you are just afraid of loud noises and you rationalize your cowardice with your incoherent rantings. It is obvious on the face of it that you have no idea what you are talking about. You claim of having lots of friends in the military is laughable.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Why should you mistake lack of national prode with cowardice? And as for questioning whether I have friends in the Army well, you can if you like, I dont really care whether you believe me or not. Its not going to change the facts.
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Bang on. It's only because of the brave young people prepared to lay their lives on the line that we enjoy the freedoms we do.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Oh come on. Surely you can think a little bit deeper than that in the context of this thread? What freedoms are you enjoying today because of the waste of British soldiers lives in Iraq? You think the acts of the UK government were noble? You think the soldiers were noble? You think they bought anything but suffering and misery to Iraq? They were doing their job. A job they enjoy and get paid to do. The soldier is the tool of the incumbent power. Not the crucible of freedom.
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Dress up in a coppers uniform and wander around St Pauls. :) OK, its not the same, I am just kidding. NI was a policing role and doesnt/didnt involve the kind of combat seen in Afghanistan today for example, or the Gulf wars. You know full well what I mean so dont intentionally misinterpret my post for your own ends.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
Bullshit NI was an active service role, which is why we got issued the green card (Permission to kill) and received the active service pay enhancement. I lost a friend out there on that 'Policing' role as you call it. You are a arse if you think it was anything other than being under attack in a hostile environment. Unless you wore the green and walked street, you know nothing and should say nothing.
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Bullshit NI was an active service role, which is why we got issued the green card (Permission to kill) and received the active service pay enhancement. I lost a friend out there on that 'Policing' role as you call it. You are a arse if you think it was anything other than being under attack in a hostile environment. Unless you wore the green and walked street, you know nothing and should say nothing.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
NI was an active service role
Who was the enemy? Ah yes, UK residents. Indeed, sounds like a typical military action.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
NI was an active service role
Who was the enemy? Ah yes, UK residents. Indeed, sounds like a typical military action.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
bombs guns and paramiltary forces definitately sound like a police situations. and can you give the names of all these people so we can check that they were all UK residents and not born in the south
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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bombs guns and paramiltary forces definitately sound like a police situations. and can you give the names of all these people so we can check that they were all UK residents and not born in the south
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
bombs guns and paramiltary forces definitately sound like a police situations.
Since its terrorism, yes it does.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
and can you give the names of all these people so we can check that they were all UK residents and not born in the south
No, but they were called terrorists and not an army.
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Slacker007 wrote:
How would you defend your country
I wouldnt, but I would defend my family and friends to the end.
Slacker007 wrote:
I find that hard to believe
Young men like adventure you know.
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fat_boy wrote:
I wouldnt, but I would defend my family and friends to the end.
I don't need to say anything here that you haven't already said yourself.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Their is nobility and honor when you are "defending" your country
Why? I dont live in the country I was born in, why should I put my family at risk to defend it? National pride is worthless. Its nothing. Its as meaningless as being proud of the 20 square feet of soil you were born on.
Slacker007 wrote:
My question to you would be: come up with a better way to defend your country and people without conflict and human sacrifice.
Now you are changing the debate. I stated soldiers are not inherently noble, that much devestation and suffering has been caused by them over the years and that the things praised by Oakman are in fact aspects of free thinking (which I do respect).
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fat_boy wrote:
Now you are changing the debate.
No. I gave you a question that you cannot possibly answer in a million years based on your belief system and that bothers you.
fat_boy wrote:
National pride is worthless. Its nothing. Its as meaningless as being proud of the 20 square feet of soil you were born on.
This is your tell.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
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fat_boy wrote:
I wouldnt, but I would defend my family and friends to the end.
I don't need to say anything here that you haven't already said yourself.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
Yes, I dont give two hoots for my country. Why should I? Its just a geographical line on a map little different to anyother. While it has its merits its not exceptional and other countries have theirs. And in many respects its inhabitants are less meritorious than many of its neighnours. Why would you die for your country?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Yes, I dont give two hoots for my country. Why should I? Its just a geographical line on a map little different to anyother. While it has its merits its not exceptional and other countries have theirs. And in many respects its inhabitants are less meritorious than many of its neighnours. Why would you die for your country?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
fat_boy wrote:
Why would you die for your country?
So that people like you can play guitar, say what you want without reprise, and to get on your soapbox and preach to the world about your precious weather reports. So that people like you don't live in places like Libya, Syria, and Iran. I would die for my country because my brothers would die for me. If you don't have pride in something greater than yourself then you have nothing.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
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fat_boy wrote:
Now you are changing the debate.
No. I gave you a question that you cannot possibly answer in a million years based on your belief system and that bothers you.
fat_boy wrote:
National pride is worthless. Its nothing. Its as meaningless as being proud of the 20 square feet of soil you were born on.
This is your tell.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
OK, I will answer your question, even though it is not relevant to what I stated. "Their is nobility and honor when you are "defending" your country. Many countries had to defend themselves during WW2 and other conflicts/wars. My question to you would be: come up with a better way to defend your country and people without conflict and human sacrifice." Why is it noble to defend your country? Yes, many people have defended their countries, and died. To what benefit? Why defend your country? What do you hope to gain by maintaining one particular government over another? One particular langauge over another, one particular culture over another?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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OK, I will answer your question, even though it is not relevant to what I stated. "Their is nobility and honor when you are "defending" your country. Many countries had to defend themselves during WW2 and other conflicts/wars. My question to you would be: come up with a better way to defend your country and people without conflict and human sacrifice." Why is it noble to defend your country? Yes, many people have defended their countries, and died. To what benefit? Why defend your country? What do you hope to gain by maintaining one particular government over another? One particular langauge over another, one particular culture over another?
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fat_boy wrote:
es, many people have defended their countries, and died. To what benefit?
If England did not defend herself in WW2 for instance then they would have been run over by Nazi Germany and we all know how that would have turned out.
fat_boy wrote:
What do you hope to gain by maintaining one particular government over another?
Democrocy vs. Dictatorship Freedom vs. Slavery This is a no brainer fat_boy. You never answered my question by the way. Look at the question again and answer it...if you can.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
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fat_boy wrote:
Why would you die for your country?
So that people like you can play guitar, say what you want without reprise, and to get on your soapbox and preach to the world about your precious weather reports. So that people like you don't live in places like Libya, Syria, and Iran. I would die for my country because my brothers would die for me. If you don't have pride in something greater than yourself then you have nothing.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
Slacker007 wrote:
So that people like you can play guitar
And I couldnt do that if I were invaded by say, the Germans?
Slacker007 wrote:
say what you want without reprise
Can I? Did you see how the Police treated the WWII POW vets who protested the arrival of the Japanese Emperor in the UK?
Slacker007 wrote:
and to get on your soapbox and preach to the world about your precious weather reports.
Which can be done from any country with an internet connection.
Slacker007 wrote:
So that people like you don't live in places like Libya, Syria, and Iran.
Now thats better. Defending against a physical threat or against a repressive ideology is another matter.
Slacker007 wrote:
If you don't have pride in something greater than yourself then you have nothing.
I have no pride in myself either. :)
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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fat_boy wrote:
es, many people have defended their countries, and died. To what benefit?
If England did not defend herself in WW2 for instance then they would have been run over by Nazi Germany and we all know how that would have turned out.
fat_boy wrote:
What do you hope to gain by maintaining one particular government over another?
Democrocy vs. Dictatorship Freedom vs. Slavery This is a no brainer fat_boy. You never answered my question by the way. Look at the question again and answer it...if you can.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
Slacker007 wrote:
If England did not defend herself in WW2 for instance then they would have been run over by Nazi Germany and we all know how that would have turned out.
They would speak a different Germanic language to the one they do today. They would have a strong manufacturing industry. They would not have lost the Empire (in the case of WWI). The cold war might not have happened. We wouldnt have a creeping Islamification of Europe. ...
Slacker007 wrote:
Democrocy vs. Dictatorship
You are assuming that the attacking country is a dictatorship, why? And that they would enslave the people. The UK attacked Iraq, did it enslave the people? Oh, and using Nazi Germany is Godwins law abuse.:) Why not use the Dutch invasion of Britain circa 1720 by William of Orange and 20,000 Dutch troops. Whats your take on that. Worth dying for?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Slacker007 wrote:
If England did not defend herself in WW2 for instance then they would have been run over by Nazi Germany and we all know how that would have turned out.
They would speak a different Germanic language to the one they do today. They would have a strong manufacturing industry. They would not have lost the Empire (in the case of WWI). The cold war might not have happened. We wouldnt have a creeping Islamification of Europe. ...
Slacker007 wrote:
Democrocy vs. Dictatorship
You are assuming that the attacking country is a dictatorship, why? And that they would enslave the people. The UK attacked Iraq, did it enslave the people? Oh, and using Nazi Germany is Godwins law abuse.:) Why not use the Dutch invasion of Britain circa 1720 by William of Orange and 20,000 Dutch troops. Whats your take on that. Worth dying for?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
My debate with you on this is over. I foresee this turning more into an argument than a debate in the near future. I respect your opinions and beliefs although I do not agree with any of them. ;)
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.